Republicans Disavow the comments, not the candidate

[buckshot24]

Bill got shit done even the biggest welfare reform, because of the Republican congress.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Jhhnn]

This. Unfortunately I think you're going to see future prospective candidates for office emulating Trumps strategy as they attempt to break out from the clown car crowd. More shouting matches and and incomprehensible rants. People adapt their tactics to win over time and this is the new face of American politics.

Not after Trump receives an epic ass-whupping.

 

[chucky2]

Chunky is having a meltdown. There's going to be more of these to come.
My personal opinion is that the GOP 'establishment' is torn between the damage that Trump is doing to their brand against the opportunity that he is going to provide them to whip the shit out the tea partiers who supported him after he loses in November. We shall see.

Err, if it was Bernie and Trump, I'd likely vote Bernie...so really, I'm not having a meltdown at all LOL. It is interesting you see my posts as having a meltdown though, it's like you think I'm a TrumpBro or something. He's a rich mofo like the other rich nominee in the race - you can't possibly think I think either of them are looking out for my best interest, right?

My...leaning I guess one could call it...towards Trump vs. Billary is 1.) Billary is just a non-starter for anyone who values sincerity in a candidate, 2.) Trump actually took a pro-US normal everyday blue collar Citizen stand on our illegal invasion issue (whether he'll do anything about it if elected is another matter entirely), and 3.) his frequent non-PC handling of...things.

If I could make a wish and poof! pick one of the candidates to win, it'd be Johnson (even though I think he's not pro-US Citizen on the illegal invasion topic), but Johnson ain't gonna happen.

My "meltdown'...lulz... :thumbsup:

 

[NAC4EV]

 

[hal2kilo]

Err, if it was Bernie and Trump, I'd likely vote Bernie...so really, I'm not having a meltdown at all LOL. It is interesting you see my posts as having a meltdown though, it's like you think I'm a TrumpBro or something. He's a rich mofo like the other rich nominee in the race - you can't possibly think I think either of them are looking out for my best interest, right?

My...leaning I guess one could call it...towards Trump vs. Billary is 1.) Billary is just a non-starter for anyone who values sincerity in a candidate, 2.) Trump actually took a pro-US normal everyday blue collar Citizen stand on our illegal invasion issue (whether he'll do anything about it if elected is another matter entirely), and 3.) his frequent non-PC handling of...things.

If I could make a wish and poof! pick one of the candidates to win, it'd be Johnson (even though I think he's not pro-US Citizen on the illegal invasion topic), but Johnson ain't gonna happen.

My "meltdown'...lulz... :thumbsup:

It's OK, really.

 

[chucky2]

I know?

 

[Perknose]

LOL! No no no...you see how confused you are?! I have a disdain for Intellectuals, not intellectuals. Are you flustered and wanting to lash out at me because you've panicked that you might be an Intellectual? Deep breaths...



Are these people who actually think in those ways, or think believe they think in those ways? It's sorta important to get that cleared up before answering why "I'll never really understand" them.



This worries me, because it's the thought process of an Intellectual. :'( You are so sure I hold Trump in high regard, so sure I just don't understand why the Intellectuals who dislike Trump have convinced themselves they're so right (just listen to them, they'll tell you how much they agree with each other! ), how poorly educated I must be - and that you think believe that matters no less! - and why that's the reason I just can't understand the Intellectual reasons for how bad that bad bad Trumpy is, but shazzam!, Billary is a shining beacon of POTUS light! Jhhnn, is that you?

Trump's a shallow, crude, narcissistic, shallow, elitist and racist ignoramous. He displays each and every one of these traits in loud, braying tones on an almost daily basis, for all us simple, uncomplicated folk to see.

But you? You tie yourself in pretty little knots in order to not acknowledge any of this, straining your big, big brain to its utmost in order to do so . . . just like an Intellectual would.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Proggies, those people who claim that the meaning of "raza" AND "is" are mysterious things beyond the ken of mankind. Hint: Ask a Spanish person.

You mean the people who say that you don't know what you're talking about?

"Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”

Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

And this is not just SDLRLA’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:
“…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”

Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:

“Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”

The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:

“…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”


http://sdlrla.com/the-name/

 

[Perknose]

My...leaning I guess one could call it...towards Trump vs. Billary is 1.) Billary is just a non-starter for anyone who values sincerity in a candidate...

Here's your screaming BS right in your own words. You lean towards Trump because you . . . value sincerity in a candidate? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :biggrin:

2.) Trump actually took a pro-US normal everyday blue collar Citizen stand on our illegal invasion issue (whether he'll do anything about it if elected is another matter entirely), and 3.) his frequent non-PC handling of...things.

And here's the real reasons you'll vote for Trump. His Yuuuge, stupid Wall, and his frequent, racist, sexist and nativist, know-nothing stance towards . . . things.

Things! You can't even finish your last sentence outright, can you, you ugly minded little coward.

But, finally, a Frog Prince to your rescue! A boorish trust fund lout unafraid to say what you've been thinking!

Chuck-E's in love!

 

[buckshot24]

Trump's a shallow, crude, narcissistic, shallow, elitist and racist ignoramous. He displays each and every one of these traits in loud, braying tones on an almost daily basis, for all us simple, uncomplicated folk to see.

But you? You tie yourself in pretty little knots in order to not acknowledge any of this, straining your big, big brain to its utmost in order to do so . . . just like an Intellectual would.

Liberal hacks create a narrative in their heads and condemn people for not accepting it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Err, if it was Bernie and Trump, I'd likely vote Bernie...so really, I'm not having a meltdown at all LOL. It is interesting you see my posts as having a meltdown though, it's like you think I'm a TrumpBro or something. He's a rich mofo like the other rich nominee in the race - you can't possibly think I think either of them are looking out for my best interest, right?

My...leaning I guess one could call it...towards Trump vs. Billary is 1.) Billary is just a non-starter for anyone who values sincerity in a candidate, 2.) Trump actually took a pro-US normal everyday blue collar Citizen stand on our illegal invasion issue (whether he'll do anything about it if elected is another matter entirely), and 3.) his frequent non-PC handling of...things.

If I could make a wish and poof! pick one of the candidates to win, it'd be Johnson (even though I think he's not pro-US Citizen on the illegal invasion topic), but Johnson ain't gonna happen.

My "meltdown'...lulz... :thumbsup:

Bernie, of course, being the exact opposite of what you like about Trump.

Well, other than not being Hillary. All else can be forgiven, right? I'm sure it doesn't hurt for a person to already believe in the bigoted things Trump says.

That's you, isn't it?

 

[jackstar7]

Uh, right. I suppose if you're dishonest you can make any metaphor sound compelling.

How about we try a more honest version: "Mom, you and every other human being before you threw rocks until very recently. How is it I am the only one you select as responsible for this?"

Ha! Everyone EVER?!

Man, you just go on and dig then.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Fixed that for you.

Irrelevant we have a Republican congress and a Presidential election.

 

[buckshot24]

Irrelevant we have a Republican congress and a Presidential election.

That isn't why I pointed it out to you.

 

[HomerJS]

Yeah. One out-of-context quote from one interview by one guy 30 years ago amounts to running seminars on how to speak in code language, and is therefore the overarching strategy of the majority of the Republican party.

Out of context my ass.

First of all Lee Atwater was more then just "some guy"

Second If this were just some random quote why do Republicans practice dog whistles to this day? If they stopped 30 years ago you would have a point. Kind of like trying to call Southern Democrats pre-civil rights as current representatives of Democrats.

Of course you could have found out all about Lee Atwater's history by executing a simple verb, read.

 

[HomerJS]

Liberal hacks create a narrative in their heads and condemn people for not accepting it.

More then just liberal hacks accept the so called "narrative"

 

[buckshot24]

More then just liberal hacks accept the so called "narrative"

Comments being racist and the person saying them being a racist are two different things. Racism wasn't the only thing in his laundry list.

 

[jackstar7]

Comments being racist and the person saying them being a racist are two different things.

Can you parse the distinction in this case, vis a vis "Mexican" judge?

 

[buckshot24]

Can you parse the distinction in this case, vis a vis "Mexican" judge?

Why? A claim being racist vs the speaker are two different things. Challenge Homer for equating the two.

 

[MrPickins]

Comments being racist and the person saying them being a racist are two different things. Racism wasn't the only thing in his laundry list.

The difference is that you can be racist without making racist statements, but if you (earnestly) make racist statements, you're a racist.

Picture a Venn diagram where the "Makes Racist Statements" set is completely contained in the "Is Racist" set.

 

[Perknose]

The difference is that you can be racist without making racist statements, but if you (earnestly) make racist statements, you're a racist.

Picture a Venn diagram where the "Makes Racist Statements" set is completely contained in the "Is Racist" set.

:thumbsup:

 

[buckshot24]

The difference is that you can be racist without making racist statements, but if you (earnestly) make racist statements, you're a racist.

Picture a Venn diagram where the "Makes Racist Statements" set is completely contained in the "Is Racist" set.

That is a nice assertion but you making it doesn't convince me that it is true.

 

[MrPickins]

That is a nice assertion but you making it doesn't convince me that it is true.

I think by now we all know that you can't be swayed by sound logic.

 

[buckshot24]

I think by now we all know that you can't be swayed by sound logic.

Non sequiturs aren't sound logic.

 

[MrPickins]

Non sequiturs aren't sound logic.

Refute it, then. Educate us all on how someone can earnestly make racist statements without being a racist.