Republicans Disavow the comments, not the candidate

[werepossum]

Objectively Trump has said worse things, but in today's world being branded a racist is like being branded a communist in the old days. You even have necrophiliac serial killers like Dahlmer making sure they let the victim's parents know he wasn't a racist. I mean being a white racist literally the worst thing you could be in this world.

I would tend to agree except that the left uses the term against literally everyone who isn't on the left whilst enthusiastically embracing racism on the left. Therefore the accusation has lost most of its sting. When you're decrying racism against one Republican whilst also insisting that all Republicans are racist AND demanding white-free "safe zones" AND insisting that "The Race" actually means everyone, then disinterested people tend to simply pat you on the head, smile, and walk on by.

 

[fskimospy]

I would tend to agree except that the left uses the term against literally everyone who isn't on the left whilst enthusiastically embracing racism on the left. Therefore the accusation has lost most of its sting. When you're decrying racism against one Republican whilst also insisting that all Republicans are racist AND demanding white-free "safe zones" AND insisting that "The Race" actually means everyone, then disinterested people tend to simply pat you on the head, smile, and walk on by.

People also tend to pay you on the head and walk away when you say you know actual Spanish speakers are wrong because you took two years of Spanish in school. Okay that's not true, they laugh at you and then walk away.

Seriously. Usually when people say they are laughing on the Internet that's not true, but I genuinely chuckled when I saw you say that.

 

[Victorian Gray]

People also tend to pay you on the head and walk away when you say you know actual Spanish speakers are wrong because you took two years of Spanish in school. Okay that's not true, they laugh at you and then walk away.

Seriously. Usually when people say they are laughing on the Internet that's not true, but I genuinely chuckled when I saw you say that.

C'mon. What do Mexicans know about Spanish. Their native tongue is Mexican for crying out loud.

 

[fskimospy]

C'mon. What do Mexicans know about Spanish. Their native tongue is Mexican for crying out loud.

They probably never took a single Spanish class in the US, which we both know has superior schools! I for one am glad we have an expert here to straighten them out.

 

[werepossum]

People also tend to pay you on the head and walk away when you say you know actual Spanish speakers are wrong because you took two years of Spanish in school. Okay that's not true, they laugh at you and then walk away.

Seriously. Usually when people say they are laughing on the Internet that's not true, but I genuinely chuckled when I saw you say that.

Proggies, those people who claim that the meaning of "raza" AND "is" are mysterious things beyond the ken of mankind. Hint: Ask a Spanish person.

 

[Sonikku]

Could it be he's secretly playing the base for saps and going out of his way to make these kinds of comments to see how far he can go before party loyalty is no longer enough for people to subscribe to the brand? He's drawing out a lot of hypocrisy and he's so effective doing it I question if it isn't being done intentionally on at least some level.

 

[HomerJS]

Nice club

 

[emperus]

Isn't the same old GOP. Their tagline should be "always with the Racists". But seriously, did Ryan even think what message that sends all minorities?

Nice club

 

[fskimospy]

Proggies, those people who claim that the meaning of "raza" AND "is" are mysterious things beyond the ken of mankind. Hint: Ask a Spanish person.

Aren't the people who are saying raza has a more nuanced meaning 'spanish' people? They aren't claiming that the meaning is mysterious at all, in fact. How presumptuous of them to think they know better than a white guy in Tennessee who took two years of Spanish just because they have been speaking a language their whole lives. (Presumably) Don't they know you're an expert???? You know a thing or two about etymology too!

 

[Jhhnn]

It's still rather pathetic they are still supporting Trump.

Now that the party has finally come to admit something Trump has said is racist (as all the other stuff failed to cross their line,) their continued support means that blatant racism isn't that big of a priority to them.
Tax cuts and entitlement reform (the Ryan agenda) and not electing Hillary are more important, so they can live dealing with the racist.

I'm not sure how this improves their position.

It merely exposes the position they've held for decades. Covert racism among the base is a natural consequence of having absorbed the culture of disaffected southern Democrats into their party. Acceptance & exploitation of it are a basic feature of Repub leadership. They all prefer to not talk openly about it but rather communicate in coded phrases & dog whistling.

Trump just doesn't know the code or doesn't care to use it. It's clear that the base loves him for that, for providing voice to their true feelings. The rest of us have traditionally played along, too, just so long as they were polite about it, stuck to the code. We're helpless to change what's in their hearts but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that it's OK.

They'll all return to the usual charade as soon as possible, of course, but this has been a serious breach of protocol.

 

[mxnerd]

Trump really put every Republican politicians in deep mental bipolar disorders.

 

[Perknose]

It merely exposes the position they've held for decades. Covert racism among the base is a natural consequence of having absorbed the culture of disaffected southern Democrats into their party. Acceptance & exploitation of it are a basic feature of Repub leadership. They all prefer to not talk openly about it but rather communicate in coded phrases & dog whistling.

Trump just doesn't know the code or doesn't care to use it. It's clear that the base loves him for that, for providing voice to their true feelings. The rest of us have traditionally played along, too, just so long as they were polite about it, stuck to the code. We're helpless to change what's in their hearts but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that it's OK.

They'll all return to the usual charade as soon as possible, of course, but this has been a serious breach of protocol.

Bingo!

Yo 'possum, my decidedly non-racist friend! What specifically do you think all those people who say about Trump, "He says what we've been thinking" are referring to, anyway? And WHY won't they come out and say exactly WHAT that is?

Is it not blindingly clear to you that this is a casually overt racist speaking to and for a large cohort of covert racists who had long since learned not to overtly state their deep, deep racism?

And you may not agree, but it is blindingly clear to me that the depth and ferocity of the Republican led attacks on the very legitimacy of Barrack Obama were fueled by the fact that he was (half) black.

Post racial society, my ass. Within living memory, just 1981, this happened:

In 1981, Josephus Anderson, an African American charged with the murder of a white policeman in Birmingham while committing a robbery (along with 2 other charges of assaulting officers), was tried in Mobile, where the case had been moved. There were indications that the jury was struggling to reach a verdict.

At a meeting on Wednesday, within Unit 900 of the United Klans of America, members complained that having African-American members on the jury was the reason it had not convicted Anderson. Bennie Jack Hays, the second-highest-ranking official in the United Klans in Alabama, said: "If a black man can get away with killing a white man, we ought to be able to get away with killing a black man."[4][5] On Friday, a mistrial was declared on all four counts and the prosecutor declared his intention to retry the case (it would not be until 1985 that Anderson was finally convicted of murder after two more mistrials on that count, although the next trial resulted in convictions for the assault and robbery charges).

An inflammatory cartoon from the UKA's The Fiery Cross was used as evidence in the civil trial against the organization for the wrongful death of Michael Donald.

The same night as the first mistrial was declared, Klan members burned a three-foot cross on the Mobile County courthouse lawn. After a meeting, Bennie Hays' son, Henry Hays (age 26), and James Llewellyn "Tiger" Knowles (age 17), armed with a gun and rope,[4] drove around Mobile looking for a black person to attack.[3][6] At random, they spotted Michael Donald walking home after buying his sister a pack of cigarettes. They kidnapped him, drove out to another county and a secluded area in the woods, attacked him and beat him with a tree limb. They wrapped a rope around his neck, and pulled on it to strangle him, before slitting his throat and hanging him from a tree in a mixed neighborhood in Mobile, on Herndon Street across from a house owned by Klan leader Bennie Jack Hays.[3]

35 years is an eyeblink in history, but if that is too long ago for you to admit that virulent, lethal racism is alive and well in this country, how about 5 years ago?

According to law enforcement officials, Deryl Dedmon, an 18-year-old white man from the county seat of Brandon, led the group in planning to attack blacks in Jackson. They talked about collecting bottles to throw at people. Dedmon said to friends, "Let's go fuck with some n*****s."

[...]

The white Mississippi teens caught on surveillance video beating a black man, then killing him by running him over with a pickup truck may be responsible for other attacks on homeless black men in the area, the head of the state's NAACP told ABCNews.com.

James Anderson, an auto worker, was killed June 26 in Jackson, Miss. His murder received renewed attention when the grisly surveillance video surfaced this week.

The video allegedly shows Deryl Dedmon, 18, and several of his friends beating Anderson, and then driving over his body. Dedmon, who is accused of driving the pickup truck that lurched over Anderson's body in the video, is in jail on $800,000 bond awaiting a grand jury investigation into Anderson's homicide.

I would tend to agree except that the left uses the term against literally everyone who isn't on the left whilst enthusiastically embracing racism on the left. Therefore the accusation has lost most of its sting. When you're decrying racism against one Republican whilst also insisting that all Republicans are racist AND demanding white-free "safe zones" AND insisting that "The Race" actually means everyone, then disinterested people tend to simply pat you on the head, smile, and walk on by.

'Possum, I'm talking to you because I think you may be able to hear what I'm saying.

Racism is our country's (still) enduring original sin, starting with slavery. This has made for hurt feelings and emotional overreactions on all sides. But when, above, you seem to wish to equate some minority college twerps wanting safe zones on one side with lynchings and purely race-based random murder on the other, wash your hands of it all and imply that both sides are equally bad, well, JUST HOW FUCKING BLIND to this disparity can you be?

Trump is an asshole racist. Not a lyncher, but a racist. A significant portion of the Republican Party today is composed of ex-Dixiecrats and dyed in the wool Northern and Western racists who now gleefully proclaim, "He says what we are thinking."

It is imperative that Secretary of State Hilary Clinton defeat this shallow, narcissistic, stubby-fingered vulgarian for any number of reasons, including critical foreign policy ones, but also to confront the deep and corrosive racism still alive in our country.

He's not saying what I'm thinking. How about you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Bingo!

Yo 'possum, my decidedly non-racist friend! What specifically do you think all those people who say about Trump, "He says what we've been thinking" are referring to, anyway? And WHY won't they come out and say exactly WHAT that is?

Is it not blindingly clear to you that this is a casually overt racist speaking to and for a large cohort of covert racists who had long since learned not to overtly state their deep, deep racism?

And you may not agree, but it is blindingly clear to me that the depth and ferocity of the Republican led attacks on the very legitimacy of Barrack Obama were fueled by the fact that he was (half) black.

Post racial society, my ass. Within living memory, just 1981, this happened:


35 years is an eyeblink in history, but if that is too long ago for you to admit that virulent, lethal racism is alive and well in this country, how about 5 years ago?





'Possum, I'm talking to you because I think you may be able to hear what I'm saying.

Racism is our country's (still) enduring original sin, starting with slavery. This has made for hurt feelings and emotional overreactions on all sides. But when, above, you seem to wish to equate some minority college twerps wanting safe zones on one side with lynchings and purely race-based random murder on the other, wash your hands of it all and imply that both sides are equally bad, well, JUST HOW FUCKING BLIND to this disparity can you be?

Trump is an asshole racist. Not a lyncher, but a racist. A significant portion of the Republican Party today is composed of ex-Dixiecrats and dyed in the wool Northern and Western racists who now gleefully proclaim, "He says what we are thinking."

It is imperative that Secretary of State Hilary Clinton defeat this shallow, narcissistic, stubby-fingered vulgarian for any number of reasons, including critical foreign policy ones, but also to confront the deep and corrosive racism still alive in our country.

He's not saying what I'm thinking. How about you?

Well said :thumbsup: Very well said. Thank you

 

[Atreus21]

Bingo!

Yo 'possum, my decidedly non-racist friend! What specifically do you think all those people who say about Trump, "He says what we've been thinking" are referring to, anyway? And WHY won't they come out and say exactly WHAT that is?

Is it not blindingly clear to you that this is a casually overt racist speaking to and for a large cohort of covert racists who had long since learned not to overtly state their deep, deep racism?

Complete foolishness. Conservatives don't generally say racist things, therefore they're racist even more because they're secretive about it.

I get so tired of this psychoanalytical bullshit. It's just sanctimonious confirmation bias from start to finish.

And you may not agree, but it is blindingly clear to me that the depth and ferocity of the Republican led attacks on the very legitimacy of Barrack Obama were fueled by the fact that he was (half) black.

Post racial society, my ass. Within living memory, just 1981, this happened:


35 years is an eyeblink in history, but if that is too long ago for you to admit that virulent, lethal racism is alive and well in this country, how about 5 years ago?

'Possum, I'm talking to you because I think you may be able to hear what I'm saying.

Racism is our country's (still) enduring original sin, starting with slavery. This has made for hurt feelings and emotional overreactions on all sides. But when, above, you seem to wish to equate some minority college twerps wanting safe zones on one side with lynchings and purely race-based random murder on the other, wash your hands of it all and imply that both sides are equally bad, well, JUST HOW FUCKING BLIND to this disparity can you be?

Slavery is the original sin of the VAST MAJORITY OF NATIONS THROUGH NEARLY ALL OF HISTORY. Europe did it. Africa did it. Asia did it. Native Americans did it. Islam for goddamn sure did it, for 1400 years. Yet we alone in the world are called to task for this? We ended slavery. We didn't start it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Complete foolishness. Conservatives don't generally say racist things, therefore they're racist even more because they're secretive about it.

I get so tired of this psychoanalytical bullshit. It's just sanctimonious confirmation bias from start to finish.



Slavery is the original sin of the VAST MAJORITY OF NATIONS THROUGH NEARLY ALL OF HISTORY. Europe did it. Africa did it. Asia did it. Native Americans did it. Islam for goddamn sure did it, for 1400 years. Yet we alone in the world are called to task for this? We ended slavery. We didn't start it.

Please. We have the distinction that american slavery was race based, that only black people could be held as slaves because they bore the mark of Cain as God's way of showing their inferiority.

 

[Atreus21]

Please. We have the distinction that american slavery was race based, that only black people could be held as slaves because they bore the mark of Cain as God's way of showing their inferiority.

Right. All of slavery in America can be distilled down to one motivation - the Christian belief that blacks were cursed by God. It couldn't possibly be that black Africans were the primary source of slaves as collected by slavers for centuries, and the Mark of Cain (and numerous other excuses) used only as a weak justification after the fact.

 

[hal2kilo]

Bingo!

Yo 'possum, my decidedly non-racist friend! What specifically do you think all those people who say about Trump, "He says what we've been thinking" are referring to, anyway? And WHY won't they come out and say exactly WHAT that is?

Is it not blindingly clear to you that this is a casually overt racist speaking to and for a large cohort of covert racists who had long since learned not to overtly state their deep, deep racism?

And you may not agree, but it is blindingly clear to me that the depth and ferocity of the Republican led attacks on the very legitimacy of Barrack Obama were fueled by the fact that he was (half) black.

Post racial society, my ass. Within living memory, just 1981, this happened:


35 years is an eyeblink in history, but if that is too long ago for you to admit that virulent, lethal racism is alive and well in this country, how about 5 years ago?





'Possum, I'm talking to you because I think you may be able to hear what I'm saying.

Racism is our country's (still) enduring original sin, starting with slavery. This has made for hurt feelings and emotional overreactions on all sides. But when, above, you seem to wish to equate some minority college twerps wanting safe zones on one side with lynchings and purely race-based random murder on the other, wash your hands of it all and imply that both sides are equally bad, well, JUST HOW FUCKING BLIND to this disparity can you be?

Trump is an asshole racist. Not a lyncher, but a racist. A significant portion of the Republican Party today is composed of ex-Dixiecrats and dyed in the wool Northern and Western racists who now gleefully proclaim, "He says what we are thinking."

It is imperative that Secretary of State Hilary Clinton defeat this shallow, narcissistic, stubby-fingered vulgarian for any number of reasons, including critical foreign policy ones, but also to confront the deep and corrosive racism still alive in our country.

He's not saying what I'm thinking. How about you?

Nope.

You've been on a roll. Well done. :thumbsup:

 

[HomerJS]

Complete foolishness. Conservatives don't generally say racist things, therefore they're racist even more because they're secretive about it.

Not all conservatives say racist things but if a racist thing is said odds are overwhelming it came from a conservative.

Point is Republicans created the art of the dog whistle for a reason. Trump isn't nuanced enough to handle it.

 

[Atreus21]

Not all conservatives say racist things but if a racist thing is said odds are overwhelming it came from a conservative.

Really. So when MSNBC doctored the "He looks black" tape from Zimmerman, or doctored the video of the black guy holding an AR15 at the Tea Party rally, they were just outliers to the larger trend?

If we accept Dr. King's definition of racism as judging on skin color rather than on character, then I think liberals are equally as prone to racism as conservatives.

Affirmative Action alone, and liberal support for it, indicates that liberals are okay with racism and prejudice when directed appropriately.

Point is Republicans created the art of the dog whistle for a reason.

Right. Bullshit.

 

[hal2kilo]

Really. So when MSNBC doctored the "He looks black" tape from Zimmerman, or doctored the video of the black guy holding an AR15 at the Tea Party rally, they were just outliers to the larger trend?

If we accept Dr. King's definition of racism as judging on skin color rather than on character, then I think liberals are equally as prone to racism as conservatives.

Affirmative Action alone, and liberal support for it, indicates that liberals are okay with racism when it's directed appropriately.



Right. Bullshit.

Yet, you keep digging. Clueless.

 

[chucky2]

The entertainment value of this thread in regards to Intellectuals professing what others know and how/why they act is one of the main reasons I keep coming here. You all never fail to bring the lulz! :thumbsup:

 

[jackstar7]

Complete foolishness. Conservatives don't generally say racist things, therefore they're racist even more because they're secretive about it.

I get so tired of this psychoanalytical bullshit. It's just sanctimonious confirmation bias from start to finish.

Slavery is the original sin of the VAST MAJORITY OF NATIONS THROUGH NEARLY ALL OF HISTORY. Europe did it. Africa did it. Asia did it. Native Americans did it. Islam for goddamn sure did it, for 1400 years. Yet we alone in the world are called to task for this? We ended slavery. We didn't start it.

Look at your argument here and replace slavery with throwing rocks and you're explaining to your mom why she shouldn't punish you.

"Mom! Everyone was doing it. I did it for a little while, but then I stopped. Why do I need to be punished? MOM?"

Also, you should probably not throw around "confirmation bias" against others.

 

[jackstar7]

The entertainment value of this thread in regards to Intellectuals professing what others know and how/why they act is one of the main reasons I keep coming here. You all never fail to bring the lulz! :thumbsup:

Are you one of those folks that declares psychology and sociology as pseudo-sciences?


Also, not sure if you read it last time I linked it, but here it is again: https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intelle...dp/0394703170?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

 

[HomerJS]

Right. Bullshit.

Bullshit??? Look up Lee Atwater teaching this art to Republicans back in the 60s. They've been practicing ever since.

I don't recall Democrats running seminars on how to use racist code words/phrases without being too overt.

 

[HomerJS]

Bullshit??? Look up Lee Atwater teaching this art to Republicans back in the 60s. They've been practicing ever since.

I don't recall Democrats running seminars on how to use racist code words/phrases without being too overt.

I'll save you the effort since googling doesn't work with head in sand...

You start out in 1954 by saying, n****er, n***er, n***er." By 1968, you can't say "n***er" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "n***er, n***er."

— Lee Atwater, Republican Party strategist in an anonymous interview in 1981