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[chucky2]

Are you one of those folks that declares psychology and sociology as pseudo-sciences?

No, not at all, but it is curious the people I know in that field I'd guesstimate have about a 70% 'something is wrong with them' rate. I'd certainly not blanket trust them because of their title/field.

Also, not sure if you read it last time I linked it, but here it is again: https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intelle...dp/0394703170?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

If you linked this to me before, I missed it. Honestly I don't have time to read it, I've got way too much going on for free time like that (I haven't even read the ((what I'm sure will be a complete joke)) proposed immigration plan from Congress linked to me months ago at this point). It's not that I don't value people with intellect (actual intellect, not, people who think believe they have intellect), it's that I've run into enough of them/personally have some that are friends/family and seen how F'ing stupid they can be, that their vast/"vast" intellect does not impress me. In this place called Reality, your ideas must actually be applied and work...I think that is forgotten many times...

 

[jackstar7]

No, not at all, but it is curious the people I know in that field I'd guesstimate have about a 70% 'something is wrong with them' rate. I'd certainly not blanket trust them because of their title/field.

If you linked this to me before, I missed it. Honestly I don't have time to read it, I've got way too much going on for free time like that (I haven't even read the ((what I'm sure will be a complete joke)) proposed immigration plan from Congress linked to me months ago at this point). It's not that I don't value people with intellect (actual intellect, not, people who think believe they have intellect), it's that I've run into enough of them/personally have some that are friends/family and seen how F'ing stupid they can be, that their vast/"vast" intellect does not impress me. In this place called Reality, your ideas must actually be applied and work...I think that is forgotten many times...

You don't find there's something wrong with everyone on some level? Or is it just a different standard that you're applying to people in that field?

As for the book and the people you know or encounter... I'm just not sure how to help you. Sounds like you should surround yourself with better people.

The saying as I've heard it is: If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.

 

[chucky2]

You don't find there's something wrong with everyone on some level? Or is it just a different standard that you're applying to people in that field?

Most everyone has their quirk, but some of these people really are off. One psychiatrist I know, otherwise a fairly normal person, has a complete fear of birds. The baby dove on her front porch who can't even fly? Bolt the door! Another in the field is so intelligent, after frying an engine due to no coolant, answered that Yes he (not she) saw the coolant guage, and the Check Engine, and Yes knew that that car was overheating, and Yes knew that it'd probably fry the engine, but had no reason other than deer in the headlights look on why he kept on driving. No urgent need was there, he just...fried his engine. Years later this same man, whose net worth is high single digit millions, did it again but this time with oil. Same pattern. There are successful people out there who really aren't that bright outside of their area of expertise. I'm not running around rushing to hold up their nuts, like the Intellectuals feel the desire to, because they have the hard task each day of sitting around thinking sh1t up to get a paycheck.

As for the book and the people you know or encounter... I'm just not sure how to help you. Sounds like you should surround yourself with better people.

Lately I surround myself with parents and doctors, I don't have time for other people. Prior to that my friends and peers were in just fine of class thanks. The people in life I really don't enjoy being around are the Intellectuals who like to nod up and down at each other how awesome they are, but, in Reality (or, their ideology applied to Reality) is failure - or, just not that impressive. I understand that Intellectuals are threatened by that, they really need that validation that they're one step above, the mere suggestion they're not causes massive internal panic - they must lash out and convince that which threatens their mental projection of themselves to keep up their delusion. Like I said, it's one of the reasons I like coming here to P&N, to watch these delusions play out. :thumbsup:

The saying as I've heard it is: If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.

But how would you really know...

 

[Exophase]

Yup this cycle gets stranger. I've always looked a Republicans as a group of people with narrow interests which makes it easier to organize and Democrats as a big mob with similar goals, which is tough to organize. Would be real strange if this cycle those roles are reversed.

I've always seen it the other way, since the GOP base draws both people who want small government and a lot of corporate power and people who want to enforce traditional and religious values.

Imagine CEOs and nuns, both could vote Republican but probably share little in common.

You can see a big part of this divide in the primaries, with Trump being the big business type and Cruz being the dogmatic religious type (along with Carson and to a lesser extent Rubio)

 

[Exophase]

An Iowa state senator just left the Republican party because of Trumps rants against the judge, Also Mark Kirk (R) of IL said today he's not voting for Trump.

I'm anticipating both Gary Johnson and Jill Stein getting significantly more votes in 2016 than they got in 2012.

Nowhere remotely close enough to win anything and maybe not even enough to act as much of a spoiler (especially if they counterbalance each other), but maybe enough to draw attention.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I've always seen it the other way, since the GOP base draws both people who want small government and a lot of corporate power and people who want to enforce traditional and religious values.

Imagine CEOs and nuns, both could vote Republican but probably share little in common.

You can see a big part of this divide in the primaries, with Trump being the big business type and Cruz being the dogmatic religious type (along with Carson and to a lesser extent Rubio)

The big business guys are only with Republicans because its their only choice. They like how life is easier with Republicans and less oversight but realize businesses generally grow better under Democrats so they just play both sides.

 

[Vic]

I think that's why Reps are going to sabotage Trump. They know they can't control him. Better to appear to support the Rep POTUS nominee so they don't suffer backlash when their re-election comes up, but not really support him to the extent necessary. When, not if, Billary gets elected, the Establishment gets its bought and paid for Corp Whore (like the past POTUS's) and the Reps can live with that.

The GOP is trying to sabotage Trump because they know he can't win. He's already insulted or offended more than half of America, including a large number of Republicans, and there's still 5 months to go.
At this point, Republicans really need to consider the long term damage that Trump is doing to the GOP.

 

[Vic]

liberals call people racist and sexist all the time and have no problems with it. Trump says something racist they lose their heads.

Racism aside, Trump's comments about the judge could also be construed that he believes that he is above the law.

 

[chucky2]

The GOP is trying to sabotage Trump because they know he can't win. He's already insulted or offended more than half of America, including a large number of Republicans, and there's still 5 months to go.
At this point, Republicans really need to consider the long term damage that Trump is doing to the GOP.

Well, he's already insulted or offended more than half of America as long as one listens to the SJW and Media, who actively will do their absolute best to convince people that Trump is the devil incarnate and OMG!, Vote Billary! #imwithherslurpslurp

The total hysteria of the Left notwithstanding, I don't think the Reps are scared of losing the POTUS election, they knew that was going to happen with Billary ran and Trump decimated their shit other candidates. What the Establishment (on the Left and Right) is petrified of losing is losing control of POTUS. They need someone who they can pull the strings on. We know Billy Boy had no problems selling out everyday Americans, obviously Bush II didn't, Bummer couldn't have closed door meetings fast enough, but now, damn!, there are threats from both the Left and...Right? - can one call Trump a member of the Right even...he seems to be more a member of Trump.

Just think how scary that is for the Establishment: You're going into an election where instead of having complete guaranteed control of both POTUS candidates as you've had for decades, and being able to sit back and know the entire time you just need to wait for the election to be over to continue BAU, you now have anywhere from a 0% (Bernie and Trump) to 50% chance (Billary and Trump) of not having complete certain control over POTUS. How unacceptable of a situation is that? So unacceptable you've finally got a candidate on the Left that really represents what the Left has been yearning for, and the Left gets Billary nominated by hook or by crook. And on the Right, basically the same thing - except the candidates were so bad Trump blew them all way. Look at how loyal Reps are as a party. Now, how can a party that is that loyal treat their obvious nominee that badly in lack of support, low public enthusiasm, etc? Because they're doing it on purpose - they don't want Trump as POTUS.

It will be exceedingly entertaining to watch some of our resident Lefties rationalize Billary over the next few months. The obvious "Sha Sha She's not that racist misogynist xenophobe Trump! <sniffle sniffle> and We must stop him! #istandwithsomeonelettingintensofmillionsoflowwagecompetitiondirectlyFingUSCitizensandespeciallyBlacksandwhohashersidesayifyourawomanyouneedtobackthewomanbutneitherofthoseisracistormisogynist" is entertaining, but unfortunately the imagination doesn't get much better than that. I pray the Intellectuals can step up their game! :\

 

[Sonikku]

The GOP is trying to sabotage Trump because they know he can't win. He's already insulted or offended more than half of America, including a large number of Republicans, and there's still 5 months to go.
At this point, Republicans really need to consider the long term damage that Trump is doing to the GOP.

This. Unfortunately I think you're going to see future prospective candidates for office emulating Trumps strategy as they attempt to break out from the clown car crowd. More shouting matches and and incomprehensible rants. People adapt their tactics to win over time and this is the new face of American politics.

 

[michal1980]

Racism aside, Trump's comments about the judge could also be construed that he believes that he is above the law.

Theres very little to defend trump on.

My point is the other side always plays the bias card. Trump plays it and now that side is upset?

 

[hal2kilo]

Well, he's already insulted or offended more than half of America as long as one listens to the SJW and Media, who actively will do their absolute best to convince people that Trump is the devil incarnate and OMG!, Vote Billary! #imwithherslurpslurp

The total hysteria of the Left notwithstanding, I don't think the Reps are scared of losing the POTUS election, they knew that was going to happen with Billary ran and Trump decimated their shit other candidates. What the Establishment (on the Left and Right) is petrified of losing is losing control of POTUS. They need someone who they can pull the strings on. We know Billy Boy had no problems selling out everyday Americans, obviously Bush II didn't, Bummer couldn't have closed door meetings fast enough, but now, damn!, there are threats from both the Left and...Right? - can one call Trump a member of the Right even...he seems to be more a member of Trump.

Just think how scary that is for the Establishment: You're going into an election where instead of having complete guaranteed control of both POTUS candidates as you've had for decades, and being able to sit back and know the entire time you just need to wait for the election to be over to continue BAU, you now have anywhere from a 0% (Bernie and Trump) to 50% chance (Billary and Trump) of not having complete certain control over POTUS. How unacceptable of a situation is that? So unacceptable you've finally got a candidate on the Left that really represents what the Left has been yearning for, and the Left gets Billary nominated by hook or by crook. And on the Right, basically the same thing - except the candidates were so bad Trump blew them all way. Look at how loyal Reps are as a party. Now, how can a party that is that loyal treat their obvious nominee that badly in lack of support, low public enthusiasm, etc? Because they're doing it on purpose - they don't want Trump as POTUS.

It will be exceedingly entertaining to watch some of our resident Lefties rationalize Billary over the next few months. The obvious "Sha Sha She's not that racist misogynist xenophobe Trump! <sniffle sniffle> and We must stop him! #istandwithsomeonelettingintensofmillionsoflowwagecompetitiondirectlyFingUSCitizensandespeciallyBlacksandwhohashersidesayifyourawomanyouneedtobackthewomanbutneitherofthoseisracistormisogynist" is entertaining, but unfortunately the imagination doesn't get much better than that. I pray the Intellectuals can step up their game! :\

The Republicans are having a major buyers remorse meldown. Between the non-endorsements and the outright revolt going on at the moment by REPUBLICANS you can't be serious.

 

[michal1980]

This. Unfortunately I think you're going to see future prospective candidates for office emulating Trumps strategy as they attempt to break out from the clown car crowd. More shouting matches and and incomprehensible rants. People adapt their tactics to win over time and this is the new face of American politics.

only if he wins... which is doubtful.

 

[chucky2]

The Republicans are having a major buyers remorse meldown. Between the non-endorsements and the outright revolt going on at the moment by REPUBLICANS you can't be serious.

Haha, what "buyers remorse"? You mean Trump said a Latino judge probably has bias against him, the sole candidate that did the unthinkable and called US Politicians (the controlling class) on their illegal invasion plan, i.e. This situation is ridiculous, I'm "building a wall"? ZOMG! He's ra ra ra rayyycist!

None of these Reps give a F about Latino's (except to use them to exploit cheap labor and wage suppress US Citizens, and just as important, bolster birth rates and thus the all important consumer numbers to prop up those Big Businesses and Wall Street), they certainly don't care about this judge. What they do care about is getting as much of that Latino voting demographic, both in the short term and the long term. And the Establishment sure does want a POTUS they know they can control...Billary absolutely is in that category, Trump, eh, not a definite - if not a definite, unacceptable risk.

You guys are reading way too much into Reps backing away from Trump because it strokes the Lefty ego...careful, don't get any on your moms furniture... D:

 

[Atreus21]

Look at your argument here and replace slavery with throwing rocks and you're explaining to your mom why she shouldn't punish you.

"Mom! Everyone was doing it. I did it for a little while, but then I stopped. Why do I need to be punished? MOM?"

Also, you should probably not throw around "confirmation bias" against others.

Uh, right. I suppose if you're dishonest you can make any metaphor sound compelling.

How about we try a more honest version: "Mom, you and every other human being before you threw rocks until very recently. How is it I am the only one you select as responsible for this?"

 

[hal2kilo]

Haha, what "buyers remorse"? You mean Trump said a Latino judge probably has bias against him, the sole candidate that did the unthinkable and called US Politicians (the controlling class) on their illegal invasion plan, i.e. This situation is ridiculous, I'm "building a wall"? ZOMG! He's ra ra ra rayyycist!

None of these Reps give a F about Latino's (except to use them to exploit cheap labor and wage suppress US Citizens, and just as important, bolster birth rates and thus the all important consumer numbers to prop up those Big Businesses and Wall Street), they certainly don't care about this judge. What they do care about is getting as much of that Latino voting demographic, both in the short term and the long term. And the Establishment sure does want a POTUS they know they can control...Billary absolutely is in that category, Trump, eh, not a definite - if not a definite, unacceptable risk.

You guys are reading way too much into Reps backing away from Trump because it strokes the Lefty ego...careful, don't get any on your moms furniture... D:

Or maybe just maybe, they finally realize they've hooked their wagon to a real loser. Loser as in not winning the White House. Loser as to cause the loss of the House of Congress. That kind of loser.
He will not take advise. He even thinks he doesn't need that much money to win. He has no clue how to run a campaign and he won't listen to anybody.

Good luck with your show horse.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Or maybe just maybe, they finally realize they've hooked their wagon to a real loser. Loser as in not winning the White House. Loser as to cause the loss of the House of Congress. That kind of loser.
He will not take advise. He even thinks he doesn't need that much money to win. He has no clue how to run a campaign and he won't listen to anybody.

Good luck with your show horse.

he does have a magnificent mane.

 

[Perknose]

Look at how loyal Reps are as a party. Now, how can a party that is that loyal treat their obvious nominee that badly in lack of support, low public enthusiasm, etc? Because they're doing it on purpose - they don't want Trump as POTUS.

Have you stopped to ask yourself why? Oh, that's right, you have a towering disdain for intellectuals, so serious thought is right out for you.

This simple definition from Merriam-Webster outlines exactly what you find so alien and revolting:

Simple Definition of intellectual

: of or relating to the ability to think in a logical way
: involving serious study and thought
of a person : smart and enjoying serious study and thought

Sadly, it seems you'll never really understand why Republicans and Democrats alike who "think in a logical way" and are "smart and enjoy serious study and thought" don't want Trump as POTUS.

You are the rich, pungent fertilizer that undergirds Trump Gardens. He's mulch obliged.

You are the dirt he has his butler buff off his Florsheims each night, even as you ardently believe he's for the common man.

Inside the zoo of American politics, you grin and posture and fling your poo defiantly at the intellectuals, not realizing which side of the fence you're actually on.. Trump and his staff of right wing keepers get to go home at night. Turns out, you're the exhibit, 'ya big ape.

No matter how many degrees you may hold, you are truly one of his most beloved demographics, the "poorly educated."

 

[Atreus21]

Bullshit??? Look up Lee Atwater teaching this art to Republicans back in the 60s. They've been practicing ever since.

I don't recall Democrats running seminars on how to use racist code words/phrases without being too overt.

Yeah. One out-of-context quote from one interview by one guy 30 years ago amounts to running seminars on how to speak in code language, and is therefore the overarching strategy of the majority of the Republican party.

 

[Vic]

Theres very little to defend trump on.

My point is the other side always plays the bias card. Trump plays it and now that side is upset?

Well, what was the reasoning that Trump gave for why he believes that Judge Curiel, a natural born American citizen, is biased against him?

There are a lot of people who have been arguing for months that quite a bit of what Trump has been saying could be used against legal American citizens, and Trump's supporters have deflecting that, saying that Trump only intends to target illegals, non-citizens, etc. But now, more than 5 months the election, Trump just targeted a natural born American citizen, who also happens to be a federal judge, solely because his parents were Mexican immigrants. So all those Trump supporters who have been defending Trump have just been proven wrong.. by Trump himself.

As Graham said, if you had been looking for an off ramp, here it is.

 

[Vic]

Or maybe just maybe, they finally realize they've hooked their wagon to a real loser. Loser as in not winning the White House. Loser as to cause the loss of the House of Congress. That kind of loser.
He will not take advise. He even thinks he doesn't need that much money to win. He has no clue how to run a campaign and he won't listen to anybody.

Good luck with your show horse.

Chunky is having a meltdown. There's going to be more of these to come.
My personal opinion is that the GOP 'establishment' is torn between the damage that Trump is doing to their brand against the opportunity that he is going to provide them to whip the shit out the tea partiers who supported him after he loses in November. We shall see.

 

[chucky2]

Or maybe just maybe, they finally realize they've hooked their wagon to a real loser. Loser as in not winning the White House. Loser as to cause the loss of the House of Congress. That kind of loser.
He will not take advise. He even thinks he doesn't need that much money to win. He has no clue how to run a campaign and he won't listen to anybody.

Good luck with your show horse.

Lets say all that ego stroking thought is true for a moment. (I'll give you a second to wipe up)

What does it say that Billary literally is the same thing, just in a much more PC and politically calculated package? That she will be far far more beholden to her Big Business donors than Trump would be?

Do you feel comfortable electing Billary because she tells you what you want to hear in the manner you want to hear it, stroking your Oh God Yeeesssss!!! zones in a nice calculated manner, or do you just dislike Trump even mentioning he's going to attempt to cut that illegal invasion labor off and thus your ZOMG HE'S A RAY RAY RAAAYYYCIST circuit is tripped? I genuinely am interested how deep you level of delusion runs on how Billary is going to represent your interests, isn't ray ray raycist, isn't a misogynist, isn't well, whatever SJW programming you've got internalized. Start from Billary is super duper fine with 10s of Millions of direct competition to poor Blacks being here, and has her machine saying that women should be sticking together and voting for a woman - right up until that backfired, then it got walked right back politically in that nice calculated political manner. Bonus points if you can get Nickie in here to Nick... :thumbsup:

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Have you stopped to ask yourself why? Oh, that's right, you have a towering disdain for intellectuals, so serious thought is right out for you.

This simple definition from Merriam-Webster outlines exactly what you find so alien and revolting:



Sadly, it seems you'll never really understand why Republicans and Democrats alike who "think in a logical way" and are "smart and enjoy serious study and thought" don't want Trump as POTUS.

You are the rich, pungent fertilizer that undergirds Trump Gardens. He's mulch obliged.

You are the dirt he has his butler buff off his Florsheims each night, even as you ardently believe he's for the common man.

Inside the zoo of American politics, you grin and posture and fling your poo defiantly at the intellectuals, not realizing which side of the fence you're actually on.. Trump and his staff of right wing keepers get to go home at night. Turns out, you're the exhibit, 'ya big ape.

No matter how many degrees you may hold, you are truly one of his most beloved demographics, the "poorly educated."

This

Even his court nominee list has a disclaimer at the end which says there may be others not listed. While I give Trump credit for presenting a list, that last bit makes me think what others? Will he even nominate one of the list or will he change his mind or is he pandering to the conservatives?
Here's my reasoning for Hillary and I don't expect anyone to follow it, its for me.
While Hillary isn't exciting or a motivating speaker and she does have some baggage. We all had a better standard of living under the last Clinton. Better than Bush 1, certainly better than Bush 2 and better than Obama. Bill got shit done even the biggest welfare reform, even with a Republican congress. We stayed out of silly endless fights, we stopped supporting dictators (except Egypt but we reeled him in a bit).

 

[hal2kilo]

Chunky is having a meltdown. There's going to be more of these to come.
My personal opinion is that the GOP 'establishment' is torn between the damage that Trump is doing to their brand against the opportunity that he is going to provide them to whip the shit out the tea partiers who supported him after he loses in November. We shall see.

I really don't think he's got the temperament to stay in the race let alone get elected.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/08/trum...may-drop-out-of-the-race-soon-commentary.html

 

[chucky2]

Have you stopped to ask yourself why? Oh, that's right, you have a towering disdain for intellectuals, so serious thought is right out for you.

This simple definition from Merriam-Webster outlines exactly what you find so alien and revolting:

LOL! No no no...you see how confused you are?! I have a disdain for Intellectuals, not intellectuals. Are you flustered and wanting to lash out at me because you've panicked that you might be an Intellectual? Deep breaths...

Sadly, it seems you'll never really understand why Republicans and Democrats alike who "think in a logical way" and are "smart and enjoy serious study and thought" don't want Trump as POTUS.

Are these people who actually think in those ways, or think believe they think in those ways? It's sorta important to get that cleared up before answering why "I'll never really understand" them.

You are the rich, pungent fertilizer that undergirds Trump Gardens. He's mulch obliged.

You are the dirt he has his butler buff off his Florsheims each night, even as you ardently believe he's for the common man.

Inside the zoo of American politics, you grin and posture and fling your poo defiantly at the intellectuals, not realizing which side of the fence you're actually on.. Trump and his staff of right wing keepers get to go home at night. Turns out, you're the exhibit, 'ya big ape.

No matter how many degrees you may hold, you are truly one of his most beloved demographics, the "poorly educated."

This worries me, because it's the thought process of an Intellectual. :'( You are so sure I hold Trump in high regard, so sure I just don't understand why the Intellectuals who dislike Trump have convinced themselves they're so right (just listen to them, they'll tell you how much they agree with each other! ), how poorly educated I must be - and that you think believe that matters no less! - and why that's the reason I just can't understand the Intellectual reasons for how bad that bad bad Trumpy is, but shazzam!, Billary is a shining beacon of POTUS light! Jhhnn, is that you?