blackangst1
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What? I'm the one who has said in several threads I refuse to stick to one side because the line between the parties is so blurry. Both sides refuse to compromise and that's a fact.
If it's not, perhaps you can explain the necessity of fucking over TPS enrollees mentioned above & their American citizen dependents? Dreamers? Vietnamese refugees? Even fucking with naturalized citizens?
blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
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As I said when I can properly address each one, I will. And again, not that you give a rats ass what my opinion is.
UglyCasanova
Lifer
- Mar 25, 2001
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That’s a four letter word around here baw. The Dems shite don’t stink, true story.
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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Except that's not a fact. The bill that passed the Senate proves that.
No one is telling you to stick to one side, we are just telling you to stop lying and accept the facts, something you've refused to do out of some sense of trying to act non partisan. Well, your refusal to acknowledge facts has made you look like an idiot.
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ivwshane
Lifer
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You are so dumb you aren't even aware of what the dems have and haven't done.
What is the justification for doing those things if not racism?
Your going on about compromise is ridiculous, a way to reduce common fucking decency & respect to an abstraction.
It should be remembered that the Senate passed a clean resolution 100-0.
Look at that number. 100-0. Unanimity. A done deal.
Want to bet that Pelosi will get a bill passed in the House that exactly matches that Senate bill? That the bill passed by both houses will go to Trump? Will he veto such a bill?
Remember that Trump blew up the 100-0 deal because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh yelled at him. You know how many people are going to be yelling at him when the shutdown lasts into January? He's not a bull, he's bullshit, soft and squishy and smelly. When he's stepped on, he caves. Pelosi and Schumer are going to step on him hard, and for the next two years.
Trump and the Republicans lost and completely own this shutdown. Heck, it lost when it elected Trump. The consequences are now become obvious. There is no government in the White House. The only adults are in Congress. And unfortunatly, most have a D after their name.
Look at that number. 100-0. Unanimity. A done deal.
Want to bet that Pelosi will get a bill passed in the House that exactly matches that Senate bill? That the bill passed by both houses will go to Trump? Will he veto such a bill?
Remember that Trump blew up the 100-0 deal because Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh yelled at him. You know how many people are going to be yelling at him when the shutdown lasts into January? He's not a bull, he's bullshit, soft and squishy and smelly. When he's stepped on, he caves. Pelosi and Schumer are going to step on him hard, and for the next two years.
Trump and the Republicans lost and completely own this shutdown. Heck, it lost when it elected Trump. The consequences are now become obvious. There is no government in the White House. The only adults are in Congress. And unfortunatly, most have a D after their name.
MomentsofSanity
Lifer
- Jan 25, 2011
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I'm still confused on what the fuck Trump wants. He can't get anything straight on this. Two days ago everyone furloughed supported the shutdown and wanted him to stand tough to get the funding. Today everyone furloughed are Democrats according to him.
ch33zw1z
Lifer
- Nov 4, 2004
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From my perspective, trump just wants people to bow down and kiss the ring. If you look at who he is and what games he plays, then look back at his statements and rhetoric regarding politics, especially directed at Obama, it seems clear to me.
In this regard, he wants whatever funding is necessary to build whatever the fuck he wants, and love him for it.
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Stupid Democrats are only hurting themselves. According to Trump...
Said by White House doofus - "Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?"
Of course, just two days ago, the majority of furloughed workers wanted the Wall and wanted to go unpaid until Donny got his expensive tax payer funded toy...
So basically, in Donald's world, the only people you should care about are the one's who share your political affiliation. Actually.. In Donald's world, the only people you should care about are the one's named Donald J Trump.
Said by White House doofus - "Do the Dems realize that most of the people not getting paid are Democrats?"
Of course, just two days ago, the majority of furloughed workers wanted the Wall and wanted to go unpaid until Donny got his expensive tax payer funded toy...
So basically, in Donald's world, the only people you should care about are the one's who share your political affiliation. Actually.. In Donald's world, the only people you should care about are the one's named Donald J Trump.
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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I really thought that after bush Jr people would have been more cautious in choosing their president. With Bush it was like every other month he said something stupid. Looking back, his incompetence looks so trivial compared to trumps. It's amazing how low the bar has dropped under trump for what's acceptable from a US president.
Who knows anymore..Even with majorities in both chambers and the Presidency, Trump doesn't have his wall. Instead he has yet another shutdown (third this year, for those playing at home). They've made it clear Trump isn't getting a wall paid for by the American citizens. It's possible there will be some petty compromise --"here's a few million for you to claim for 'border security'" and Trump will parade around claiming victory. And it will work, because Trumps hardcore supporters are so fickle simply by the mechanics of supporting such a fickle and small-minded person.
It's squarely Trump's problem. He swore Mexico was going to fund the wall. He never ever mentioned the wall without screaming Mexico was going to pay for it. It was never a stand-alone promise -- that one way or the other a wall will be built. No, it was instead hand-in-and a Mexican-only sponsored wall that they "will love to pay for," because he would so "masterfully negotiate it.
Trump, is solely engaging in a publicity stunt, with no clue or concern about how government works. He's pandering to the audiences of Coulter and Limbaugh. He likes the sound of the phrase "government shutdown," because he thinks it makes him seem tough. If the wall itself doesn't really matter for him, and he's perfectly willing to let the people of this country pay this huge price for his image -- to pay for a wall that won't even completely solve these problems, which he grossly exaggerates anyway. It's a $30 billion fantasy. 95 % of Congress knows this, too.
As much as I disliked GWB, he tried to do it well. He read reports & policy papers. He took security briefings seriously. He solicited & respected the opinions of others. He wasn't a raving hater about immigration, either-
Jaskalas
Lifer
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Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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It's a campaign promise. Trump has failed his voters if he does not deliver it.
UglyCasanova
Lifer
- Mar 25, 2001
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And he sent thousands of our troops unnecessarily to their grave. I’ll take Trumps incompetence over that.
ch33zw1z
Lifer
- Nov 4, 2004
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He also fails if Mexico doesn't pay for it, as that was a big selling point and promise.
Indus
Lifer
- May 11, 2002
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So, “Mexico will pay for the wall”, repeated endlessly, is just campaign "rhetoric", easily ignored. But a statement that clearly implies intent and what the new leadership priorities will be, without laying out every bit of the detailed plan..Actually The word is not "rhetoric". It is "lie". And...It's only a "promise" if someone is foolish enough to believe it. Why isn't his base holding him accountable to that promise?
It's just his best issue for creating outrage & getting attention. Keeps his base nicely crazified.
ch33zw1z
Lifer
- Nov 4, 2004
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Viper1j
Diamond Member
- Jul 31, 2018
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Now this is just getting pathetic;
Donald - "This isn’t about the Wall, everybody knows that a Wall will work perfectly (In Israel the Wall works 99.9%). This is only about the Dems not letting Donald Trump & the Republicans have a win. They may have the 10 Senate votes, but we have the issue, Border Security. 2020!"
Or, in other words, "WAAAAH, I wanna win one you guys, this isn't FAAAAAIR".
Donny is at his most powerless that he's been since he was elected. Democrats aren't going to cave on his wall, and Senate Republicans don't think it's a hill worth dying on. When Congress convenes on the 3rd, the House is going to pass a clean CR, the Senate will approve it just like they did the last one, and he's going to decide whether he wants people to think he's a loser or whether the shutdown is all his fault.
It's the kind of decision that makes robots overload and shut down in old sci-fi movies, so the only response he has is to whine uselessly into the void.
This part - "but we have the issue, Border Security. 2020!" sounds like he doesn't really care if it gets the wall now - he'll just use it as a issue for re-election. But that couldn't be right, Surely, he doesn't want two more years of rally cries of "build the wall!". Well, except that's all he's got. Let alone the fact that "we have the issue, Border Security. 2018!" cost them 40+ seats and control of the House.
Donald - "This isn’t about the Wall, everybody knows that a Wall will work perfectly (In Israel the Wall works 99.9%). This is only about the Dems not letting Donald Trump & the Republicans have a win. They may have the 10 Senate votes, but we have the issue, Border Security. 2020!"
Or, in other words, "WAAAAH, I wanna win one you guys, this isn't FAAAAAIR".
Donny is at his most powerless that he's been since he was elected. Democrats aren't going to cave on his wall, and Senate Republicans don't think it's a hill worth dying on. When Congress convenes on the 3rd, the House is going to pass a clean CR, the Senate will approve it just like they did the last one, and he's going to decide whether he wants people to think he's a loser or whether the shutdown is all his fault.
It's the kind of decision that makes robots overload and shut down in old sci-fi movies, so the only response he has is to whine uselessly into the void.
This part - "but we have the issue, Border Security. 2020!" sounds like he doesn't really care if it gets the wall now - he'll just use it as a issue for re-election. But that couldn't be right, Surely, he doesn't want two more years of rally cries of "build the wall!". Well, except that's all he's got. Let alone the fact that "we have the issue, Border Security. 2018!" cost them 40+ seats and control of the House.
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