Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[zzyzxroad]

Donald the Scrooge says that "many" federal workers have told him they want to go without pay until he gets his wall.

Who would contradict a boss that had no qualms at all about throwing an underling to the wolves?

I listened to to the whole 9:13 video and man, it's hard to listen to. He contradicts himself constantly. He leaves thoughts unfinished regularly. At his best he barely makes sense at all and a good portion of the time he does he's also lying. For the first time in his life, Trump is experiencing serious push back. For him, the default position when all else fails is to make up lies, and more lies.

Did I catch a highly big in there?

 

[Jhhnn]

I see this all the time..The hardcore supporters, two years later after the abomination that has been created...They're not trying to defend Trump, per say, they're trying to defend their own ego. As long as they can convince themselves that Trump is doing something good, anything at all, it means that they don't have to admit making a mistake in supporting him.

Now..that in itself is becoming very hard to rationalize..

They're loyal & steadfast to a fault. They also believe in a lot of things that aren't true, particularly the nature & motivations of people they're taught to demonize, like Libs in general.

 

[Viper1j]

Not numerous enough.

Really? How do you think the Russian, Polish, and Greek crime families (Mafias) got here? Fedex?

Illegal immigration, from Eastern European countries, is almost 3 times that of the South.

 

[dainthomas]

McConnell rejects using nuclear option on wall

He [Sen. Orrin Hatch] said the Senate’s traditional 60-vote threshold for quashing a filibuster “has prevented our country for decades from sliding toward liberalism.”​

He's obviously lying, since I can't believe he's that stupid. Evil and immoral, but not stupid. The country (and world) has been "sliding toward liberalism" for most of history. Hatch definitely knows that. And so does old Turtle.

Would be interesting if someone would ask one of these clowns when the US reached the peak of its civilization. If they could even narrow it down to a specific decade, that would be very helpful.

 

[Jhhnn]

He's obviously lying, since I can't believe he's that stupid. Evil and immoral, but not stupid. The country (and world) has been "sliding toward liberalism" for most of history. Hatch definitely knows that. And so does old Turtle.

Would be interesting if someone would ask one of these clowns when the US reached the peak of its civilization. If they could even narrow it down to a specific decade, that would be very helpful.

Yeh, but we've been sliding the other way since 1980, thanks to GOP efforts. Prior to that, socialist elements had been institutionalized by the New Deal. They've been tearing them down ever since.

This distorted image of an idealized past is standard for all astroturfed authoritarian movements. It's all so beautifully vague that the listener fills in the gaps with their imagination. I mean, name a year within living memory. It will probably be somewhere between 1945 & 1980, the era of the post-war New Deal. Many of the things that made it "great" for working stiffs have been swept away in our embrace of trickle down economics, technology & the greater perfection of multi-national Capitalism. It's what happens when we let rich people who DGAF about the rest of us have too much say in how we do things.

 

[blackangst1]

Trump voters acted like a lynch mob in the run up to the 2016 election. The induced emotional froth overcame their ability to think coherently.

Really? How do you think the Russian, Polish, and Greek crime families (Mafias) got here? Fedex?

Illegal immigration, from Eastern European countries, is almost 3 times that of the South.

Do we know through which border?

 

[Viper1j]

Do we know through which border?

The one that's almost a straight line across Lake Erie. The Niagara Falls area.

 

[blackangst1]

The one that's almost a straight line across Lake Erie. The Niagara Falls area.

Ah. I think thats the Rainbow Bridge Crossing? Something like that.

 

[Viper1j]

Ah. I think thats the Rainbow Bridge Crossing? Something like that.

Something like that. Those people just aren't brown enough for anybody to worry about them.

 

[blackangst1]

Something like that. Those people just aren't brown enough for anybody to worry about them.

I dont believe the color of their skin is part of it (despite the popularity of that opinion). but rather the border itself. Unless, of course, theres evidence non-brown people are given a pass at the Mexican border?

 

[fskimospy]

I dont believe the color of their skin is part of it (despite the popularity of that opinion). but rather the border itself. Unless, of course, theres evidence non-brown people are given a pass at the Mexican border?

As someone who has crossed the US-Mexican border more times than I can count they definitely scrutinize whities like me much less than brown people.

Regardless, White people arent givent a pass, it’s that the border is militarized in significant part because it’s a border with brown people.

If you think that race isn’t an issue then why do you think so much more time and money is spent on controlling illegal immigration on the southern border than visa overstays when visa overstays comprise an equal or greater amount of illegal immigration?

 

[blackangst1]

As someone who has crossed the US-Mexican border more times than I can count they definitely scrutinize whities like me much less than brown people.

Regardless, White people arent givent a pass, it’s that the border is militarized in significant part because it’s a border with brown people.

If you think that race isn’t an issue then why do you think so much more time and money is spent on controlling illegal immigration on the southern border than visa overstays when visa overstays comprise an equal or greater amount of illegal immigration?

Because its almost easier to prevent them entering than to kick them out when theyre already here. Its pretty simple.

There is also a new trend. In 2016 Canada abolished the visa requirements from Mexico, and reported illegal crossings from our neighbors to the North have more than doubled. Although its difficult to get anywhere near a proper number.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mexicans-crossing-us-canada-border-immigration-1.4760153

 

[fskimospy]

Because its almost easier to prevent them entering than to kick them out when theyre already here. Its pretty simple.

There are a shitload of things we could do to tighten visa enforcement and we do none of them. It’s not like the funding is just disparate, one is to the moon and the other is basically nonexistent. I mean Republicans constantly talk about how much they hate illegal immigration but I can’t rememeber a single meaningful initiative to address the largest source. It reminds me of how Republicans claim to care about voter fraud but then when they see it happening through mail order ballots by Republicans suddenly it’s not an issue.

The current Republican Party is defined in significant part by racism. No other explanation of their policy preferences makes sense.

There is also a new trend. In 2016 Canada abolished the visa requirements from Mexico, and reported illegal crossings from our neighbors to the North have more than doubled. Although its difficult to get anywhere near a proper number.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mexicans-crossing-us-canada-border-immigration-1.4760153

See above.

 

[Bitek]

Agreed. The reason the Dems dug in isn’t because it’s a waste of money. This would be a symbol of a Trump victory, that’s it. I mean pretty much that’s frickin it.

You could test that by going to the Wall thread started around the election...

 

[blackangst1]

There are a shitload of things we could do to tighten visa enforcement and we do none of them. It’s not like the funding is just disparate, one is to the moon and the other is basically nonexistent. I mean Republicans constantly talk about how much they hate illegal immigration but I can’t rememeber a single meaningful initiative to address the largest source. It reminds me of how Republicans claim to care about voter fraud but then when they see it happening through mail order ballots by Republicans suddenly it’s not an issue.

The current Republican Party is defined in significant part by racism. No other explanation of their policy preferences makes sense.



See above.

I agree with you; however, neither party is interested in Visa reform. So, since enforcing our border is more cost effective, thats where the interest lies.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree with you; however, neither party is interested in Visa reform. So, since enforcing our border is more cost effective, thats where the interest lies.

I get you and I think you’re right but do you really think cost efficiency is what drives it?

 

[blackangst1]

I get you and I think you’re right but do you really think cost efficiency is what drives it?

No, I think reducing illegal immigration and having some semblance of a sovereign country does.

Wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist

 

[feralkid]

Nixon was pardoned because America couldn’t stomach it.

Jesus wept; you are a fucking moron.

 

[ivwshane]

I agree with you; however, neither party is interested in Visa reform. So, since enforcing our border is more cost effective, thats where the interest lies.

Once again you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

And this was after the 2013 bill that passed the senate and was killed in the house.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-happen/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ed1d4d21d25

3) Both bills would allow an additional 5 million legal immigrants into the United States in the next five years. That's over and above the 4.5 million legal immigrants who were already expected. The House bill, like the Senate bill, would revamp the system for legal residents and temporary workers. Here are some highlights from the CBO's analysis of similar legislation:

-- By 2018, an extra 700,000 immigrants would arrive legally through family-based visa programs. That's because the Senate bill would allow spouses and children of legal residents to apply for a green card in the near term, but would then slowly reduce the cap for family visas over time.

-- An additional 1.1 million immigrants would arrive through new employment-based programs. That's because the Senate bill would allow more high-skilled and highly educated workers to enter the United States without counting against the existing cap on visas.

-- An additional 2.5 million immigrants would come in through a "merit-based program" that awards visas based on a point system. This part of the Senate bill would try to cut through the current backlog of applications. Many of these new immigrants would be relatives of current legal residents.

-- Then there's an extra 900,000 temporary workers entering the country by 2018. This includes 100,000 extra high-skilled workers with H1-B visas and 300,000 extra low-skilled and farm workers under the W-visa program.

This bit is rather topical:

The House Democrats' bill would not include billions of dollars requiring 700 miles of new border fence, the way the Senate bill did. Instead, the House bill would set specific goals for border enforcement.

 

[blackangst1]

Once again you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

And this was after the 2013 bill that passed the senate and was killed in the house.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-happen/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7ed1d4d21d25



This bit is rather topical:

Ahhh. So the Dems would rather legalize those in country rather than make it harder to get in illegally. Not new news. I bet had they kept provisions for either the wall OR increased funding for guards, drones, etc it would've passed.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I think reducing illegal immigration and having some semblance of a sovereign country does.

Wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist

Lovely innuendo about US sovereignty. Maybe you could segue that into voter fraud bullshit.

 

[Viper1j]

Wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist

Good luck selling that to a German Jew..

 

[ivwshane]

Ahhh. So the Dems would rather legalize those in country rather than make it harder to get in illegally. Not new news. I bet had they kept provisions for either the wall OR increased funding for guards, drones, etc it would've passed.

Did you even bother reading the link, dumb ass?

 

[fskimospy]

No, I think reducing illegal immigration and having some semblance of a sovereign country does.

Wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist

I agree that wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist. Overwhelmingly prioritizing keeping out brown people is though.

 

[Jhhnn]

The notion of fencing the border along the Rio Grande is particularly odious. It's not like the Americans who live there are scared shitless of Mexicans like the people in Podunk Iowa. It's not like the stock & the wild critters don't need to water at the river, either.