Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[blackangst1]

I agree that wanting control of who comes in and out is not racist. Overwhelmingly prioritizing keeping out brown people is though.

If only that were the case. This link outlines how China and India have overtaken Mexico as the largest countries of origin for legal immigration. The reduction from Mexico has nothing to do with "brown people". I mean, Indians are brown people too, no?

Immigration from Mexico has dropped even more precipitously than immigration from China and India has risen. The number of recent immigrants from Mexico fell from 369,000 in 2005 to 125,000 in 2013, a 66 percent reduction in just eight years, according to the Census Bureau study. While legal immigration from Mexico declined slowly from 161,000 in FY 2005 to 135,000 in FY 2013, illegal migration fell much more rapidly. Southwest border apprehensions of Mexican nationals, which indicate patterns of illegal entries, topped 1 million in FY 2005, falling to a historic low of 229,000 in FY 2014.

And, as we all know, illegal immigration has declined for several reasons.

A coincidental alignment of economic and demographic factors in both countries has spurred the decline in illegal immigration from Mexico. In the United States, the Great Recession significantly weakened the economy, and in particular depressed demand for low-wage workers, in construction and also in agriculture and other sectors that traditionally employ Mexican unauthorized workers. Equally important, the United States has significantly strengthened the immigration enforcement system in the past decade, making it more risky and costly to cross the border, and by deporting unauthorized immigrants quickly and in record numbers.

But, its not just the recession and fear that is keeping them from crossing illegally, its lower birthrates in Mexicao, and improved working conditions:

n Mexico, demographic and economic changes have also altered migration dynamics. First, declining birthrates have resulted in a shrinking pool of potential migrants. The Mexican economy has meanwhile strengthened and stabilized in recent years, creating new job opportunities. And the country has greatly expanded its educational system, providing young Mexicans who want to improve their lives with viable alternatives to migrating north.

In spite of that, Mexicans are still the largest foreign-born group in the country.

Despite the unsavory way Trump talks about Mexico, all of this does not equal racism.

 

[Jhhnn]

If only that were the case. This link outlines how China and India have overtaken Mexico as the largest countries of origin for legal immigration. The reduction from Mexico has nothing to do with "brown people". I mean, Indians are brown people too, no?



And, as we all know, illegal immigration has declined for several reasons.



But, its not just the recession and fear that is keeping them from crossing illegally, its lower birthrates in Mexicao, and improved working conditions:



In spite of that, Mexicans are still the largest foreign-born group in the country.

Despite the unsavory way Trump talks about Mexico, all of this does not equal racism.

Gawd. Trump's pitch is racist as fuck & aimed squarely at our southern neighbors. It clearly resonated with Conservatives. If he started raving about Pakistanis they'd be hated just as much.

 

[blackangst1]

Did you even bother reading the link, dumb ass?

Sure did. In the unanimously passed version, it included

Thanks to a last-minute amendment, the final version of the Senate immigration bill would spend $30 billion to double the number of federal border agents, complete 700 miles of fencing, and expand radar and aerial drone surveillance along the border.

The House version didnt.

Did you read your own link, dumbass?

 

[blackangst1]

Gawd. Trump's pitch is racist as fuck & aimed squarely at our southern neighbors. It clearly resonated with Conservatives. If he started raving about Pakistanis they'd be hated just as much.

OK? Our laws, and the decline of both legal and illegal immigration dont have anything to with racism. Can you not separate the two?

 

[brycejones]

I love how when UC taps out a new highly uneducated and proudly ignorant concern troll weighs in. Welcome @blackangst1 how long should we expect your shift as the representative of the mentally challenged for America to last?

 

[brycejones]

OK? Our laws, and the decline of both legal and illegal immigration dont have anything to with racism. Can you not separate the two?

Lol

 

[ivwshane]

Sure did. In the unanimously passed version, it included



The House version didnt.

Did you read your own link, dumbass?

From the very next paragraph you clearly didn't bother reading, you ignorant fuck!

The House Democrats' bill takes a different approach, adopting a plan approved by the House Homeland Security Committee in late July. That measure would require the Department of Homeland Security to create a detailed plan leading to the apprehension of 90 percent of illegal border-crossers in high-traffic areas within 33 months and across the U.S.-Mexico border in five years. The measure doesn't specify a path toward that goal, but any plan would have to be reviewed by Congress before money started flowing.

They left the details to those who would know best, kind of a smart thing to do, no?

 

[blackangst1]

I love how when UC taps out a new highly uneducated and proudly ignorant concern troll weighs in. Welcome @blackangst1 how long should we expect your shift as the representative of the mentally challenged for America to last?

As soon as you show what I said is factually wrong. I've already posted several links and can post more...

 

[blackangst1]

From the very next paragraph you clearly didn't bother reading, you ignorant fuck!



They left the details to those who would know best, kind of a smart thing to do, no?

Or, conversely, they haven't a clue. The Senate laid it out, why couldn't the House? Nowhere does it say the drones, technology, and guards would stay in their version.

 

[fskimospy]

If only that were the case. This link outlines how China and India have overtaken Mexico as the largest countries of origin for legal immigration. The reduction from Mexico has nothing to do with "brown people". I mean, Indians are brown people too, no?

And, as we all know, illegal immigration has declined for several reasons.

But, its not just the recession and fear that is keeping them from crossing illegally, its lower birthrates in Mexicao, and improved working conditions:

In spite of that, Mexicans are still the largest foreign-born group in the country.

Despite the unsavory way Trump talks about Mexico, all of this does not equal racism.

I genuinely don’t see how you think this means racism isn’t part of it.

I mean it’s not like conservatives have attempted to conceal their racism.

 

[blackangst1]

I genuinely don’t see how you think this means racism isn’t part of it.

I mean it’s not like conservatives have attempted to conceal their racism.

Then why haven't the quotas changed?

 

[ivwshane]

Or, conversely, they haven't a clue. The Senate laid it out, why couldn't the House? Nowhere does it say the drones, technology, and guards would stay in their version.

Holy shit! Did you just ask why the republican controlled house didn't pass the Democrat bill?

Looks like we've got dumb & dumber on the forum tonight folks!

 

[blackangst1]

Holy shit! Did you just ask why the republican controlled house didn't pass the Democrat bill?

Looks like we've got dumb & dumber on the forum tonight folks!

And yet, the Republican Congress passed a Democrat bill on the same issue.

Dumb and dumber indeed!

 

[fskimospy]

Then why haven't the quotas changed?

I don’t understand,can you elaborate?

 

[ivwshane]

And yet, the Republican Congress passed a Democrat bill on the same issue.

Dumb and dumber indeed!

No you fucking idiot, the democrat controlled senate passed the bill with only 14 republican senators crossing the isle (32 Republicans voted against it).

This is some pretty common and basic shit that someone who claims to want immigration reform should know.

You be you and continue being a "both sides" bitch.

 

[blackangst1]

I don’t understand,can you elaborate?

Employment and family Visa quotas:

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit

Seems if immigration were based on brown skin, King in Chief wouldve lowered them. No?

 

[blackangst1]

No you fucking idiot, the democrat controlled senate passed the bill with only 14 republican senators crossing the isle (32 Republicans voted against it).

This is some pretty common and basic shit that someone who claims to want immigration reform should know.

You be you and continue being a "both sides" bitch.

Until such time as one side offers most of what I feel is important, I'll firmly keep one foot on either side, and continue to vote on.... Wait for it.... Both sides.


And you be you and keep being a sheep.

 

[ivwshane]

Employment and family Visa quotas:

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit

Seems if immigration were based on brown skin, King in Chief wouldve lowered them. No?

You were saying?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ld-trump-cutting-legal-immigration/692447002/

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/trump-travel-ban-visas-decline/

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t understand,can you elaborate?

He's being deliberately obtuse & obfuscating away from the topic at hand- Trump's Wall lust & his willingness to shut down the govt to satisfy it.

Meanwhile, the Wicked Nancy is even making fun of him-

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/na...order-wall-degenerates-little-beaded-curtain/

 

[fskimospy]

Employment and family Visa quotas:

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/country-limit

Seems if immigration were based on brown skin, King in Chief wouldve lowered them. No?

Visas are different but Trump is definitely trying to lower them.

I’m serious, conservative ideology in America is based on racism.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ld-trump-cutting-legal-immigration/692447002/

 

[Jhhnn]

You were saying?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ld-trump-cutting-legal-immigration/692447002/

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/trump-travel-ban-visas-decline/

With cornholio!

Nielsen has now cut TPS for El Salvador, Honduras, Haiti, Nepal, Nicaragua and Sudan, which represents 98% of the people covered by the program. That means TPS enrollees from those countries, many of whom have legally lived in the U.S. for nearly 30 years, must return home in the coming months or risk becoming undocumented immigrants.

 

[ivwshane]

Until such time as one side offers most of what I feel is important, I'll firmly keep one foot on either side, and continue to vote on.... Wait for it.... Both sides.


And you be you and keep being a sheep.

Weren't you that fucking moron in this very thread complaining about politicians and democrats, especially, not compromising? Lol and here you are with a "my way out the highway" bullshit.

Fucking hypocrit!

 

[blackangst1]

Visas are different but Trump is definitely trying to lower them.

I’m serious, conservative ideology in America is based on racism.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ld-trump-cutting-legal-immigration/692447002/

I'm sure you're sure it is.

 

[UberNeuman]

I love how when UC taps out a new highly uneducated and proudly ignorant concern troll weighs in. Welcome @blackangst1 how long should we expect your shift as the representative of the mentally challenged for America to last?

If you switched the names for the posts, nobody would notice... lol.

 

[blackangst1]

You were saying?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ld-trump-cutting-legal-immigration/692447002/

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/trump-travel-ban-visas-decline/

There's a ton of separate issues in those links id like too properly comment on prolly tomorrow when I have the time. Not that you give a rats ass

I do find the bit on asylum a bit troubling, so will need to read more on that. Also, the bit on refugee allowance appears to be a nothing burner, as we aren't anywhere close to the numbers allowed.