Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[Hayabusa Rider]

Something like that. Those people just aren't brown enough for anybody to worry about them.

Not a "brown" person. Escorted to a secure room in isolation by 6 border security guards with hands on guns. That was entertaining. When the border patrol at the Rainbow Bridge believe they have a reason, race does not matter and I had a US passport.

 

[HomerJS]

Just so I understand, Trump shutdown the government so he can BREAK his campaign promise of building a wall Mexico will pay for?

Makes total sense

 

[UglyCasanova]

Trumpmshutdown the government for his symbolic win and Dems dug in for the shutdown so he couldn’t get that symbolic win. It’s all about symbolism. All of it. The arguement that it’s opposed because it’s 0.001% of the fed budget and less than 51% of Americans want it is absurd as thinking the wall will stop illegal immigration. It’s about the win. I am right but no doubt the auto bots will adjust their fedoras to "well ackchyually..."

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trumpmshutdown the government for his symbolic win and Dems dug in for the shutdown so he couldn’t get that symbolic win. It’s all about symbolism. All of it. The arguement that it’s opposed because it’s 0.001% of the fed budget and less than 51% of Americans want it is absurd as thinking the wall will stop illegal immigration. It’s about the win.

So it's symbolic, ineffective in any meaningful way, an unnecessary waste of funds, not supported by a majority of the population, not supported by a majority of Congress but the democrats are wrong for standing up against it? Have I got that right?

 

[UglyCasanova]

The Dems are standing up a symbolic win for Trump, that’s it. The wasteful spending part is a joke (I agree it’s wasteful and oppose it for such but when did Dems become fiscal hawks). Guess we’ll see how much that symbolic victory is worth.

 

[fskimospy]

So it's symbolic, ineffective in any meaningful way, an unnecessary waste of funds, not supported by a majority of the population, not supported by a majority of Congress but the democrats are wrong for standing up against it? Have I got that right?

It is kind of amusing that despite one side being objectively right on all the policy merits UC is still angry at them for not giving in to Trump and doing the dumb thing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The Dems are standing up a symbolic win for Trump, that’s it. The wasteful spending part is a joke (I agree it’s wasteful and oppose it for such but when did Dems become fiscal hawks). Guess we’ll see how much that symbolic victory is worth.

So how much other symbolic wasteful spending should the democrats just stand back and let happen? Where’s the limit? This is all Trump. The GOP already agreed to fund the government. He stopped it. This is all him.

 

[96Firebird]

I am right but no doubt the auto bots will adjust their fedoras to "well ackchyually..."

Sounds like you just want someone to tell you you're right.

How fucking pathetic you are.

 

[Engineer]

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released Thursday found more people blame Trump for the shutdown than Democrats. In the poll, 33 percent blamed Democrats in Congress for the shutdown, compared to 47 percent who blamed Trump.

Another seven percent blamed Republicans in Congress, while 12 percent blamed “other.”

Just 35 percent of those surveyed said they wanted Congress to fund the wall.

It's all about the base...about the base...no treble...all about the base, about the base....

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...se-southern-border-entirely-if-dems-dont-fund

 

[Engineer]

Sounds like you just want someone to tell you you're right.

How fucking pathetic you are.

Just another of cheeto's dingle-berries....and acts just like him.

 

[fskimospy]

The Dems are standing up a symbolic win for Trump, that’s it. The wasteful spending part is a joke (I agree it’s wasteful and oppose it for such but when did Dems become fiscal hawks). Guess we’ll see how much that symbolic victory is worth.

So in other words you're angry at the Democrats for pursuing the correct policy because you think they are doing it for the wrong reasons. In order to address this, you would like them to pursue the wrong policy instead.

This is moon logic.

 

[Meghan54]

So in other words you're angry at the Democrats for pursuing the correct policy because you think they are doing it for the wrong reasons. In order to address this, you would like them to pursue the wrong policy instead.

This is moon logic.

I think he's better off returning to being ultra-concerned about European countries being invaded by immigrants, how PC England's become, and how sharia law is overtaking the whole of Europe. At least then he can claim utter and complete ignorance of Europe when his concerns are shown to be nothing but goose down and not lose too much face, like he's done with this thread.

 

[UglyCasanova]

objectively right on all the policy merits

Let’s not stretch too far. I think there are better ways that are cheaper/more effective but at the same time walls aren’t completely useless either.

 

[Burpo]

Walls ARE useful, to wall builders..

 

[HomerJS]

The Dems are standing up a symbolic win for Trump, that’s it. The wasteful spending part is a joke (I agree it’s wasteful and oppose it for such but when did Dems become fiscal hawks). Guess we’ll see how much that symbolic victory is worth.

So Trump is entirely wrong on the policy yet you see a need to make the Dems equally culpable? This ain't #bothsides, Skippy.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trumpmshutdown the government for his symbolic win and Dems dug in for the shutdown so he couldn’t get that symbolic win. It’s all about symbolism. All of it. The arguement that it’s opposed because it’s 0.001% of the fed budget and less than 51% of Americans want it is absurd as thinking the wall will stop illegal immigration. It’s about the win. I am right but no doubt the auto bots will adjust their fedoras to "well ackchyually..."

Nonsense..Trump shut down the government because Ann Coulter yelled at him. They had an agreement, said he would sign on, Coulter writes an opinion piece, then he wouldn't sign on.

1. The Dems said they wouldn't vote for $5 billion for the wall at this time. Clear position to start the negotiations.

2. Trump grudgingly agreed to let a continuing resolution go through without the wall money, to bridge over the Christmas season and last until early February.

3. The Dems and his own Repubs in the Senate unanimously passed the bill Trump had said he would agree to.

4. Ann Coulter writes a blog post to the tune of "Colonel Bogey": "... and Trumpy has no balls at all!"

5. Other right-wingers like Rush and the Teapot caucus shout "Hear, hear!"

6. Trump, outraged by the attack by his own so-called supporters, does an about-face and announces he won't sign the bill, the same bill that he had said just earlier that week that he would accept.

7. Chuck and Nancy say "Nothing has happened to change our position."

8. Penis ensues.

So, who's the adult in this situation? I think it's pretty clear...

 

[VRAMdemon]

Imagine, for a moment, that instead of a border wall (and which 5 billion dollars won't even come close to covering), Trump was demanding 5 billion dollars for some other stupid vanity project. Maybe a 50-foot gold statue or something. Imagine that a great many republicans favored it, but most independents and almost all democrats were against it. Imagine that the republican senate and house were pretty much okay with not bothering.

Would it make any sense for the democrats to go along with that?

Because make no mistake, many Americans see the wall as about as useful and valuable as a 50-foot gold statue of Trump. It serves about the same purpose, too - fulfilling this megalomaniac's ego. Everytime he mentions this wall - the response should be : I thought Mexico was going to pay for it?

In fact, there's a whole lot of things that seem far more valuable than building a useless, overpriced fucking wall. Here's a short list:

• Fixing Flint's plumbing system
• Repairing Puerto Rico
• Fixing any number of crumbling roads and bridges
• Improving our infrastructure in general
• Investing in universal healthcare for people over 50
• Offering a slightly larger tax cut
• Paying down the government debt
• Servicing interest payments
• Investing in better systems to track people whose visas expire
• Aid to these countries so the population wants to stay

 

[Thump553]

The Dems are standing up a symbolic win for Trump, that’s it. The wasteful spending part is a joke (I agree it’s wasteful and oppose it for such but when did Dems become fiscal hawks). Guess we’ll see how much that symbolic victory is worth.

Did you even realize how totally silly this position is before you wrote it? We are to spend five billion dollars out of our taxpayer pockets solely for the reason of making a narcissistic would-be ruler feel good for a day? What part of American values (or any sensible set of values) is that?

And, believe it or not, many Democrats are fiscally responsible. We believe in spending money most efficiently. Unfortunately the GOP has completely abdicated any pretensions it has towards fiscal responsibility-unless you equate responsibility with shifting the cost of society and government from the ultra-rich to the rest of us.

 

[trenchfoot]

It is kind of amusing that despite one side being objectively right on all the policy merits UC is still angry at them for not giving in to Trump and doing the dumb thing.

So as we've all been witness to, Trump said on a nationally televised clip that he was going to own the shutdown, then he immediately blames the Dems for it the moment it happened.

Trump's base went crickets on that and somehow managed to what, forgive him for making a complete ass of himself AGAIN, or through the power of Trump think convinced themselves it never happened because hey, he's doing a great job of presidenting (other than making a complete fool of himself, I have no idea what it is).

Point being, Trump's tenure in office is eerily similar to that 60's sitcom Green Acres with Ed Albert and Eva Gabore trying to make a living that's completely foreign to their upbringing comedically yielding failure after failure due to complete lack of experience. Bevery Hillbillies is a lukewarm second in this regard.

Both had/have a following of millions who think doing a great a job means taking slapstick to a higher level of remarkable idiocy.

Arguing over whether Trump is fit for office isn't the point anymore. It's come down to whether or not each and every one of his blatant failures are actually "failures" to begin with.

 

[HomerJS]

Imagine, for a moment, that instead of a border wall (and which 5 billion dollars won't even come close to covering), Trump was demanding 5 billion dollars for some other stupid vanity project. Maybe a 50-foot gold statue or something. Imagine that a great many republicans favored it, but most independents and almost all democrats were against it. Imagine that the republican senate and house were pretty much okay with not bothering.

Would it make any sense for the democrats to go along with that?

Because make no mistake, many Americans see the wall as about as useful and valuable as a 50-foot gold statue of Trump. It serves about the same purpose, too - fulfilling this megalomaniac's ego. Everytime he mentions this wall - the response should be : I thought Mexico was going to pay for it?

In fact, there's a whole lot of things that seem far more valuable than building a useless, overpriced fucking wall. Here's a short list:

• Fixing Flint's plumbing system
• Repairing Puerto Rico
• Fixing any number of crumbling roads and bridges
• Improving our infrastructure in general
• Investing in universal healthcare for people over 50
• Offering a slightly larger tax cut
• Paying down the government debt
• Servicing interest payments
• Investing in better systems to track people whose visas expire
• Aid to these countries so the population wants to stay

He still won't get it.

 

[Viper1j]

Trumpmshutdown the government for his symbolic win and Dems dug in for the shutdown so he couldn’t get that symbolic win. It’s all about symbolism. All of it. The arguement that it’s opposed because it’s 0.001% of the fed budget and less than 51% of Americans want it is absurd as thinking the wall will stop illegal immigration. It’s about the win. I am right but no doubt the auto bots will adjust their fedoras to "well ackchyually..."

Symbol minded people are funny.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Master negotiator turned down a DACA for the Wall deal earlier this year. Master negotiator now say's he'll take less than $5B.

We all know the wall :

a) won't be paid for by Mexico
b) is a band aid on the bullet wound of border security ( the wall won't secure the entire border)
c) will cost a LOT more than $5B

Master negotiator, who has shown he can't negotiate jack shit, is showing everyone his busted flush and asking why aren't the Democrats coming to the "Grift House" to do a deal?

I have a deal..How bout Trump get's his wall and it's paid for by ONLY the wall maniacs/supporters with a payroll tax . As a courtesy, let every one of his supporters know what they are paying for with an itemized 'wall tax' on their paychecks.

In a Machiavellian sense the border wall/budget issue is a great stroke of luck for the Dems at this time. The last thing they should ever do is capitulate. The election just showed that the public opinion is turning on Trump and the Pubs. And the divisiveness is a long term winner for the Dems. Every month more and more Independents see the absurdity of anyone supporting Trump's asinine policies, and decide they will not support him again.

Either Trump will cave now, or it will be a pissing contest till January, and the CR will pass House and Senate , and override his veto. He will have impotently stomped his foot for a month for nothing at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Imagine, for a moment, that instead of a border wall (and which 5 billion dollars won't even come close to covering), Trump was demanding 5 billion dollars for some other stupid vanity project. Maybe a 50-foot gold statue or something.

We could have the statue of liberty in NY harbor & an even bigger statue of Trump at the southern border with his middle finger raised high, glowering over the unwashed Mexican masses. The inscription? Two words, and we all know what they are.

 

[woolfe9998]

Don't worry, Trump said, it's "mostly democrats" who aren't getting their paychecks because of the shut down. For crissakes, is their a bigger asshole in the entire world?

 

[fskimospy]

Don't worry, Trump said, it's "mostly democrats" who aren't getting their paychecks because of the shut down. For crissakes, is their a bigger asshole in the entire world?

That Trump thinks this is a good line of attack shows how utterly corrupt he is. He appears to believe the Democrats should act preferentially towards their supporters and not attempt to govern in a way that helps all citizens, regardless of party.