Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[Jhhnn]

Ok help convince me I’m wrong, why wouldn’t it be a good idea?

You're the one suggesting we change, therefore it's your obligation to convince us of the benefits of the way you want it, not vice-versa. Have at it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Wall? Donnie suggests one for everybody-

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...inister-trump-sahara-wall-cillizza-nr-vpx.cnn

 

[Thump553]

It is the duty and responsibility of the members of Congress to make sure the government doesn't waste our tax money. That's an internal part of our federal government setup. To argue that $5,000,000,000 isn't that much money and it is necessary to make our narcissistic current minority President feel better and therefore Congress should abdicate their Constitutional responsibilities and judgment is absurd.

If UC and others really want this wall then go to gofundme page and spend your money on it, not ours. I'm sure it would make Trump happy-so long as the Trump Wall is built with someone else's monies.

BTW it's not just Democrats that oppose this foolish wall. There are many GOP officials that think it's a dumb idea as well. Whether they have the guts to stand up to Trump's pressure and tweets remains to be seen. Congressional GOP has been weaker than the German parliament was during Hitler's rise to dictatorship.

 

[blackangst1]

It is the duty and responsibility of the members of Congress to make sure the government doesn't waste our tax money. That's an internal part of our federal government setup. To argue that $5,000,000,000 isn't that much money and it is necessary to make our narcissistic current minority President feel better and therefore Congress should abdicate their Constitutional responsibilities and judgment is absurd.

If UC and others really want this wall then go to gofundme page and spend your money on it, not ours. I'm sure it would make Trump happy-so long as the Trump Wall is built with someone else's monies.

BTW it's not just Democrats that oppose this foolish wall. There are many GOP officials that think it's a dumb idea as well. Whether they have the guts to stand up to Trump's pressure and tweets remains to be seen. Congressional GOP has been weaker than the German parliament was during Hitler's rise to dictatorship.

Congress is there to support its constituents, many of which want a wall.

Just sayin.

 

[Jhhnn]

Congress is there to support its constituents, many of which want a wall.

Just sayin.

There is no mention of the Wall in that article. You're conflating the issues.

 

[blackangst1]

There is no mention of the Wall in that article. You're conflating the issues.

oops. The article does have the linked poll: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVu4fDHYJgVTHVnZjg5R0JXQmxVNi1la0IzX1o2X0RTZ09j/view

Do you think a wall along the U.S. Mexico border is...
A good idea that can probably be completed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
A good idea that should be tried, even if it can’t be completed . . . . . . . . . . . 19%
A bad idea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48%

 

[Jhhnn]

oops. The article does have the linked poll: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVu4fDHYJgVTHVnZjg5R0JXQmxVNi1la0IzX1o2X0RTZ09j/view

Do you think a wall along the U.S. Mexico border is...
A good idea that can probably be completed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
A good idea that should be tried, even if it can’t be completed . . . . . . . . . . . 19%
A bad idea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48%

As I've mentioned many times, right wing propaganda has taken a terrible toll on conservative headsets. Absolutely terrible. They believe in a lot of things that aren't true.

 

[esquared]

^^^That "poll" on the google drive is over 5 months old.

Most Americans do not believe that the "wall" is a priority.
Here's a recent poll: Nov 28th -Dec 4th
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-con...-and-Tables_Immigration_1812051721.pdf#page=3
50% - not a priority at all
19% - not an immediate priority
28- is a priority
2% - not sure.

Another comment on that poll
https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...eve-border-wall-not-priority-poll/2316428002/
" Most Americans believe border wall issue not worth government shutdown: Marist poll
nearly seven in 10 Americans (69 percent) believe the wall shouldn’t be a priority for Congress, according to a new Marist Poll.

Here's another even more recent poll: Dec 14th -16th
https://morningconsult.com/2018/12/...wall-is-at-the-bottom-of-proposed-priorities/
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/181232_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v2_AP-1.pdf
"22% of all voters list the wall as a “top priority,” the lowest of all 10 issues surveyed.

Most Americans do not want the wall. Period.

 

[blackangst1]

As I've mentioned many times, right wing propaganda has taken a terrible toll on conservative headsets. Absolutely terrible. They believe in a lot of things that aren't true.

This is where your thinking is a total failure. You think that conservatives in general aren't capable of intelligent, independent thought. Meanwhile, the left is a bastion of proper thinking and intelligence.

This is why people like you are irrelevant.

 

[blackangst1]

^^^That "poll" on the google drive is over 5 months old.

Most Americans do not believe that the "wall" is a priority.
Here's a recent poll: Nov 28th -Dec 4th
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-con...-and-Tables_Immigration_1812051721.pdf#page=3
50% - not a priority at all
19% - not an immediate priority
28- is a priority
2% - not sure.

Another comment on that poll
https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...eve-border-wall-not-priority-poll/2316428002/
" Most Americans believe border wall issue not worth government shutdown: Marist poll
nearly seven in 10 Americans (69 percent) believe the wall shouldn’t be a priority for Congress, according to a new Marist Poll.

Here's another even more recent poll: Dec 14th -16th
https://morningconsult.com/2018/12/...wall-is-at-the-bottom-of-proposed-priorities/
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/181232_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v2_AP-1.pdf
"22% of all voters list the wall as a “top priority,” the lowest of all 10 issues surveyed.

Most Americans do not want the wall. Period.

I agree. I never used the word "most". Thanks for the wall of text though.

 

[Jhhnn]

^^^That "poll" on the google drive is over 5 months old.

Most Americans do not believe that the "wall" is a priority.
Here's a recent poll: Nov 28th -Dec 4th
http://fortune.com/2018/12/12/trump-border-wall-poll/
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-con...-and-Tables_Immigration_1812051721.pdf#page=3
50% - not a priority at all
19% - not an immediate priority
28- is a priority
2% - not sure.

Another comment on that poll
https://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com...eve-border-wall-not-priority-poll/2316428002/
" Most Americans believe border wall issue not worth government shutdown: Marist poll
nearly seven in 10 Americans (69 percent) believe the wall shouldn’t be a priority for Congress, according to a new Marist Poll.

Here's another even more recent poll: Dec 14th -16th
https://morningconsult.com/2018/12/...wall-is-at-the-bottom-of-proposed-priorities/
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/181232_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_v2_AP-1.pdf
"22% of all voters list the wall as a “top priority,” the lowest of all 10 issues surveyed.

Most Americans do not want the wall. Period.

And those who profess to want it don't know why they want it. They just do. They don't even think about it, really.

 

[esquared]

I agree. I never used the word "most". Thanks for the wall of text though.

I never said you referred to most. I was just being more accurate with public opinion than you linking to a June poll.
So if thats a wall of text, so be it.

 

[zzyzxroad]

oops. The article does have the linked poll: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVu4fDHYJgVTHVnZjg5R0JXQmxVNi1la0IzX1o2X0RTZ09j/view

Do you think a wall along the U.S. Mexico border is...
A good idea that can probably be completed . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32%
A good idea that should be tried, even if it can’t be

I agree. I never used the word "most". Thanks for the wall of text though.

What was the point of your oops post again?

 

[blackangst1]

What was the point of your oops post again?

I guess following a thread isn't your strong suit. I was responding to Thumps out about the responsibilities of Congress, and I politely reminded him it's their responsibility to honor the wishes of their constituents, many of which want a wall.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is where your thinking is a total failure. You think that conservatives in general aren't capable of intelligent, independent thought. Meanwhile, the left is a bastion of proper thinking and intelligence.

This is why people like you are irrelevant.

Did I hit a nerve? Conservatives are entirely capable of those things when they care to be, just like all of us. They get astroturfed & manipulated, a lot, by insincere people who know just how to push their buttons. They have blind spots. They often have really shitty attitudes about the rest of America, thanks to Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter & a whole panoply of pampered right wing pitch men who DGAF about them or the rest of us. Crap sells, and the talking heads they listen to know it better than anybody.

 

[blackangst1]

Did I hit a nerve? Conservatives are entirely capable of those things when they care to be, just like all of us. They get astroturfed & manipulated, a lot, by insincere people who know just how to push their buttons. They have blind spots. They often have really shitty attitudes about the rest of America, thanks to Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter & a whole panoply of pampered right wing pitch men who DGAF about them or the rest of us. Crap sells, and the talking heads they listen to know it better than anybody.

Random crazies on the internet don't hit my nerves (same is true of you I suppose). It is entertaining though!

 

[zzyzxroad]

I guess following a thread isn't your strong suit. I was responding to Thumps out about the responsibilities of Congress, and I politely reminded him it's their responsibility to honor the wishes of their constituents, many of which want a wall.

Using old data?

 

[Jhhnn]

I guess following a thread isn't your strong suit. I was responding to Thumps out about the responsibilities of Congress, and I politely reminded him it's their responsibility to honor the wishes of their constituents, many of which want a wall.

That's entirely circular as it applies to the current situation. Our GOP congress sent Trump a bill that did not include wall funding, compromising with Dems because they didn't want a shutdown, or at least not one they'd have to own. When Trump vetoes it, they don't even stand up for themselves or the functioning of the govt they serve, apparently cuz they's skeered of the toddler in chief. As soon as they can put it off on the Dems, they give it the old college try, as if it really is something beyond their control.

 

[blackangst1]

Using old data?

lol

 

[blackangst1]

That's entirely circular as it applies to the current situation. Our GOP congress sent Trump a bill that did not include wall funding, compromising with Dems because they didn't want a shutdown, or at least not one they'd have to own. When Trump vetoes it, they don't even stand up for themselves or the functioning of the govt they serve, apparently cuz they's skeered of the toddler in chief. As soon as they can put it off on the Dems, they give it the old college try, as if it really is something beyond their control.

You say that like "standing up" for it would change the outcome. You know better.

 

[zzyzxroad]

lol

You dissmissed someone who provided you more updated relevent data with a thanks for the wall of text smart ass remark. So where do you personally come down on the wall? Do you think it is a waste of frunds and ineffective?

 

[Jhhnn]

You say that like "standing up" for it would change the outcome. You know better.

Incorrect. The original measure passed 100-0 in the Senate. I can't find the HOR vote, but it wouldn't have passed w/o GOP support. The latter caved immediately to Trump. No vote to override the veto was ever taken.

 

[Jaskalas]

You are aware that the filibuster no longer exists, right?

What bills were passed without needing a 60 vote majority?

 

[Jhhnn]

What bills were passed without needing a 60 vote majority?

The GOP finagled a tax cut for the rich w/o 60 votes & then there's the small matter of SCOTUS confirmations.

 

[UglyCasanova]

It is the duty and responsibility of the members of Congress to make sure the government doesn't waste our tax money.

Lol. Right. That Jennifer Lawrence okay and thumbs up gif would be perfect here. I absolutely wish congress cared about wasting money, we’re drowning in debt and just piling it up on our children. Spend, spend, spend and cut taxes while we’re at it. 0.001% of that money wasting budget is where we draw the line? Okay.

It’s a battle over a symbol, a symbol of a Trumps campaign and his most prominent promise. If he can’t get it done that’s a huge symbolic victory for the Dems, they prevented him from doing his number 1 promise. If he gets it done that’s a huge symbolic victory of him fulfilling what he said he would. Don’t pretend it’s about Congress Critters giving a frick about wasting money.