Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[UglyCasanova]

All the reasons have been patiently explained to you ad infinitum.

Dems aren't shutting down the govt. Trump is. He owns this, and GOP congress critters are letting him do it.

He does you’re right, but the Dems dug in their heels and are going along with a shutdown. Saying no to a wall is worth that I suppose.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think you’ll find many on he right see a government shutdown as a good thing as well. Maybe getting a wall out of it is icing on the cake. Time to compromise or yeah this could drag out for a long time.

 

[ivwshane]

I agree, but that’s not why the left seems to be against it. Nancy isn’t on tv saying no to the wall because of it being ineffective and here’s a better idea.

Once again you are horribly uninformed.

https://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-releases/transcript-of-pelosi-weekly-press-conference-today-23


On Dec 6th

Leader Pelosi. No. I'm okay with what our Chairwoman, Lucille Roybal-Allard, she is the person who has fought on these issues her entire stay in Congress, which has been for a couple of decades. We're blessed that she's in the position that she is in. She knows that. We, most of us, speaking for myself, consider the wall immoral, ineffective and expensive, and the President said – he promised – he also promised Mexico would pay for it. So even if they did, it's immoral still, and then they're not going to pay for it. So that isn't how I would interpret a congressional – a continuing resolution.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Hey she did! And immoral???

 

[Viper1j]

Yeah Melanie went to Mar-a-Lago, then she flies back.. and I'm pretty sure she'll fly back to Mar-a-Lago (so how much does this cost again)

If someone was sensible, they'd stick around..

I don't normally attack FLOTUS's but this one's just a stoopey bish.

Ya think? Check the dates. Donny is EXACTLY 3 months older than her mother! Donny really is old enough to be her father.

Malaria has some serious daddy issues.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You didn’t do that with a shutdown looming though.

Come to the table Dems, oh you aren't invited.

 

[K1052]

Apparently the administration's ask is already down to a little over $2B. However WH tactics have given Schumer no room to negotiate even if he was inclined to (he's not). Nobody who voted Dem in the midterms expects them to give on this.

If Trump doesn't cave before the new House is seated there is no guarantee even the $1.6B in wall money the Seante passed survives. He could get $0.

 

[Stokely]

There is one part of me that agrees to go ahead and build this silly wall. Then when all the problems don't magically go away, maybe people would see the light. Except, they won't. They'll blame Democrats for the failure of the wall (Soros had contractors install weaknesses in it like something from Rogue One), or more likely it just won't be mentioned again and people will move on to their next boogeyman.

So nope, not going to give away 5 billion to make ignorant people happy without a fight. I guess that makes me a fiscal "conservative" (?)

Dems are doing the right thing if they offer a lesser amount for general border security--something everyone I know actually wants, despite all the rhetoric about "open borders" if you don't like the wall...

 

[IronWing]

$5 billion won't build the wall. That is a "down payment". The boondoggle would cost closer to $50 billion to complete. It's a moonshot for stupidity.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Apparently the administration's ask is already down to a little over $2B. However WH tactics have given Schumer no room to negotiate even if he was inclined to (he's not). Nobody who voted Dem in the midterms expects them to give on this.

If Trump doesn't cave before the new House is seated there is no guarantee even the $1.6B in wall money the Seante passed survives. He could get $0.

Well that's the problem. Trump could agree to some figure, the House and Senate pass a compromise and at the last minutes sees someone on Fox saying it's not good enough and veto the whole thing.

 

[Viper1j]

Apparently the administration's ask is already down to a little over $2B. However WH tactics have given Schumer no room to negotiate even if he was inclined to (he's not). Nobody who voted Dem in the midterms expects them to give on this.

If Trump doesn't cave before the new House is seated there is no guarantee even the $1.6B in wall money the Seante passed survives. He could get $0.

Chuck should just say: "Mr. So-called President, I will give you $100 billion for your wall, on one condition. You get to go in front of the American people, and explain why possession of a ladder is illegal. You then have to sign an executive order giving every American 10 days to turn in every ladder, or be subject to arrest. You then have to shut down every company that produces ladders.

Then, you must shut down every company that makes shovels, because shovels can be used to make tunnels. If you do that, I will guarantee you unlimited funding at taxpayer expense for your magical "wall".

I would love to see him do that in front of the cameras just like the last time when Donny said it was his "shutdown"

 

[fskimospy]

I think you’ll find many on he right see a government shutdown as a good thing as well. Maybe getting a wall out of it is icing on the cake. Time to compromise or yeah this could drag out for a long time.

I think you’ll find Democrats willing to let this drag out for a long time then.

Remember:

1) the American public is against the wall already so Democrats are just standing for what the people demand.

2) They also just won a huge victory that was in large part based on a rejection of Trump.

3) They already passed a budget through both parts of Congress that Trump was on board with until conservative media got mad about it.

4) Only radical conservatives consider shutting down the government to be good and their opinions were fixed anyway so they can be ignored.

There is no reason to waste $5 billion based on a childish demand to build something America doesn’t want. If Trump wants to shut the government down through 2020 that’s fine with me, it will just ensure his defeat. Conservatives need to keep re-learning the lesson that they can’t hold the government hostage for their pet priorities.

 

[K1052]

Well that's the problem. Trump could agree to some figure, the House and Senate pass a compromise and at the last minutes sees someone on Fox saying it's not good enough and veto the whole thing.

Eventually I could see congress not sending up anything but veto proof legislation because why waste the fucking time.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is one part of me that agrees to go ahead and build this silly wall. Then when all the problems don't magically go away, maybe people would see the light. Except, they won't. They'll blame Democrats for the failure of the wall (Soros had contractors install weaknesses in it like something from Rogue One), or more likely it just won't be mentioned again and people will move on to their next boogeyman.

So nope, not going to give away 5 billion to make ignorant people happy without a fight. I guess that makes me a fiscal "conservative" (?)

Dems are doing the right thing if they offer a lesser amount for general border security--something everyone I know actually wants, despite all the rhetoric about "open borders" if you don't like the wall...

The problem with that is that Trump will tout it as a fantasy victory, like denuclearization of Korea. It will also stand as a symbol of American stupidity for generations, I suspect, like statues of Confederate heroes.

Maybe we could compromise & build the Wall on the near side of Texas...

 

[IronWing]

Do Texans want the wall? It seems that support for the wall grows with distance from the border.

 

[hal2kilo]

Come to the table Dems, oh you aren't invited.

Trump's teaching them how to use the force to make Dems vote for the wall.

 

[Bitek]

So now that the gov is shutdown, all his employees quit, and the big FL golf trip is cancelled, what's Trump up to?
Arts and crafts hour at the WH.

Today's project: the Wall
Medium: MS PAINT

Critics are delighted, already heralding the artist entering a new "black and white bars phase."
Look to see these themes repeating in many upcoming works.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076239448461987841

 

[Jhhnn]

Do Texans want the wall? It seems that support for the wall grows with distance from the border.

Well, yeh, of course. It's easy to otherize people when you have no experience with them other than what you see on the TeeVee. It's also incredibly shallow. The reason we have sanctuary cities, for example, is to encourage large populations of undocumented immigrants to cooperate with the police. It's perfectly obvious that they're here to stay & that local authorities can do a better job of protecting us all with their cooperation.

And, uhh, no, we won't put up with ICE being turned into the Gestapo to terrorize our cities. Forget about deporting them all.

 

[Jhhnn]

So now that the gov is shutdown, all his employees quit, and the big FL golf trip is cancelled, what's Trump up to?
Arts and crafts hour at the WH.

Today's project: the Wall
Medium: MS PAINT

Critics are delighted, already heralding the artist entering a new "black and white bars phase."
Look to see these themes repeating in many upcoming works.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076239448461987841

I can't wait until we start getting photos of some poor bastard impaled on the points, dying slowly in the middle of the Arizona desert. With enough pics, I could probably make money selling calendars to Stephen Miller's pals.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I think you’ll find Democrats willing to let this drag out for a long time then.

Remember:

1) the American public is against the wall already so Democrats are just standing for what the people demand.

2) They also just won a huge victory that was in large part based on a rejection of Trump.

3) They already passed a budget through both parts of Congress that Trump was on board with until conservative media got mad about it.

4) Only radical conservatives consider shutting down the government to be good and their opinions were fixed anyway so they can be ignored.

There is no reason to waste $5 billion based on a childish demand to build something America doesn’t want. If Trump wants to shut the government down through 2020 that’s fine with me, it will just ensure his defeat. Conservatives need to keep re-learning the lesson that they can’t hold the government hostage for their pet priorities.

Go for it. If the government stays shut down until 2020 the people you say can be ignored won and the Dems held their ground because why waste $5 billion.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Eventually I could see congress not sending up anything but veto proof legislation because why waste the fucking time.

that's what i think they should do. put the temper tantrum child in his room for a few and let the adults take care of business.

 

[fskimospy]

Go for it. If the government stays shut down until 2020 the people you say can be ignored won and the Dems held their ground because why waste $5 billion.

Interesting that you think losing the presidency would count as a win. The Democrats can’t accomplish anything useful legislatively until 2020 anyway so capturing the presidency is the most important thing. If conservatives want to help democrats do this I’m excited! Shutdowns for everyone! We don’t waste money on the wall and then we hopefully gain big in electoral offices due to Trump’s total dysfunction over his childish demand for a useless wall. Then we eliminate the filibuster and go absolutely hog wild with progressive legislation.

So really yes, they can be ignored and the longer they throw a temper tantrum the more we win. I honestly am totally okay with letting this continue until conservatives capitulate. As I said before this is also good governance because someday conservatives need to learn that taking the government hostage has consequences and I think we can all agree that would be a positive thing.

 

[fskimospy]

Remember, refusing to pay anything for the wall is what the American people voted for. Democrats are just fulfilling the wishes of the people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Go for it. If the government stays shut down until 2020 the people you say can be ignored won and the Dems held their ground because why waste $5 billion.

You just keep repeating that straw man argument as if it were true. The reasons for opposing the Wall are much deeper & you know it. The govt probably won't be shut down for long. It's bad for the GOP & everybody knows that, too.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Interesting that you think losing the presidency would count as a win. The Democrats can’t accomplish anything useful legislatively until 2020 anyway so capturing the presidency is the most important thing. If conservatives want to help democrats do this I’m excited! Shutdowns for everyone! We don’t waste money on the wall and then we hopefully gain big in electoral offices due to Trump’s total dysfunction over his childish demand for a useless wall. Then we eliminate the filibuster and go absolutely hog wild with progressive legislation.

So really yes, they can be ignored and the longer they throw a temper tantrum the more we win. I honestly am totally okay with letting this continue until conservatives capitulate. As I said before this is also good governance because someday conservatives need to learn that taking the government hostage has consequences and I think we can all agree that would be a positive thing.

Unless they absolutely shoot themselves in the foot like last election they’ve already captured the presidency.