Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[UglyCasanova]

Related but off topic. I heard some Republican Representative on the radio saying: it’s up to the Democrats, nobody wants to see DACA end everyone wants strong boarders. Let’s pass a spending resolution then talk about DACA when everyone is back to work.

Sounds a lot like it’s too soon to talk about guns let’s do it later when the time is right


Later never comes...

Whatever that guy can eat dirt. DACA amnesty is certainly wanted by he majority of Americans and is a completely fair bargain for a border wall. That is a great compromise. If the gov stays shut down long enough it will happen.

 

[UglyCasanova]

No.

It's what a teeny teeny tiny fucking minority of America wants.

Stop lying. And fuck all those fascist assholes that think we need a fucking useless wall. Let them all go to the border and link arms as a human wall. ...it will probably stretch a mile, but they would be providing the first useful service to humanity they have served at that point. Such fascist assholes are beyond redemption.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2590

American voters oppose building a wall on the Mexican border 54 - 43 percent and say 54 - 44 percent the wall is not necessary to improve border security, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.


43%. Teeny teeny tiny. I better stop lying.

 

[Jhhnn]

I dunno, ask for something. Don’t touch Obamacare for instance. Or grant dreamers amnesty (I think that was proposed already, push again, this time with a shutdown government). Can’t get anything if you don’t ask. And the GOP needs to be willing to bend and give. That’s the way compromise works and the way our government should work if it was run by adults.

The GOP doesn't want Trump's stinking wall any more than the Dems. It's apparently too much to ask that they just nut up & say so, huh?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Of course they don’t. None in power want any sort of real border security. They want the issue to be alive so the have somehing to campaign on, but there’s too many 1%ers profiting from illegals to want to clamp down. So we never will.

 

[Jhhnn]

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2590

American voters oppose building a wall on the Mexican border 54 - 43 percent and say 54 - 44 percent the wall is not necessary to improve border security, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.


43%. Teeny teeny tiny. I better stop lying.

You don't even read your own links-

By a wider 62 - 34 percent, American voters oppose shutting down the government because of funding differences over the wall. Republicans support shutting down the government over the wall 59 - 33 percent, the only listed party, gender, education, age or racial group supporting a shutdown

 

[UglyCasanova]

You don't even read your own links-

Ok. He responded to a post I made that a large segment wants the wall saying it was teeny weeny. I responded to him with a post showing the numbers, 43% want a wall. Not so teeny weeny. Whether they think the govenmnent should be shut down over it is a different story all together. Even then a third of voters isn’t teeny weeny. Keep up

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course they don’t. None in power want any sort of real border security. They want the issue to be alive so the have somehing to campaign on, but there’s too many 1%ers profiting from illegals to want to clamp down. So we never will.

Yeh, give it the ol' bothsides treatment, huh? Border security is vastly improved from 10 years ago. Building the Wall won't really make it any better at all.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I agree building a wall won’t make it any better.

 

[Indus]

I agree building a wall won’t make it any better.

Just give all Mexicans American green cards and have them build at wall at the South Mexican border.

Fuck 5 billion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ok. He responded to a post I made that a large segment wants the wall saying it was teeny weeny. I responded to him with a post showing the numbers, 43% want a wall. Not so teeny weeny. Whether they think the govenmnent should be shut down over it is a different story all together. Even then a third of voters isn’t teeny weeny. Keep up

I have. It's perfectly clear that support for the Holy Wall doesn't justify shutting down the govt to have it, other than in the delusional reaches of Trumplandia.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I have. It's perfectly clear that support for the Holy Wall doesn't justify shutting down the govt to have it, other than in the delusional reaches of Trumplandia.

I agree. I wonder what the percent would be if the pollster asked "is opposing the wall worth shutting down the government"?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ocascio-Cortez bringing the truth

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076509651104133122

 

[Stokely]

You could borrow the wall from Ringworld (1000 miles high), electrify it and cover it with 50 cal machine gun emplacements and it still wouldn't fix the "problem" (let's assume illegals are actually one worth all this fuss for a second).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-federal-data-show/?utm_term=.14d1f64fde76

By far, most illegals enter the country legally, and don't cross the border where a wall would go.

This whole thing is a sham to get votes. Anyone wanting the wall is either an ignorant moron, or someone that knows better playing team ball.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Wow who knew the forums embedded tweets. That’s pretty cool

 

[UglyCasanova]

You could borrow the wall from Ringworld (1000 miles high),

Fantastic book btw, even if it’s not stable..

 

[Jhhnn]

You could borrow the wall from Ringworld (1000 miles high), electrify it and cover it with 50 cal machine gun emplacements and it still wouldn't fix the "problem" (let's assume illegals are actually one worth all this fuss for a second).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-federal-data-show/?utm_term=.14d1f64fde76

By far, most illegals enter the country legally, and don't cross the border where a wall would go.

This whole thing is a sham to get votes. Anyone wanting the wall is either an ignorant moron, or someone that knows better playing team ball.

Facts don't matter in post-truth Trumplandia.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Not sure why facts even matter at this point. A sizable part of the country wants a wall. They’re wrong about it solving their problems but they want it, and in the scheme of things for governmental size the cost ain’t gonna break us either. Hell, think of it as shovel ready stimulus. So now the question why is the left willing to dig their heels and shut down the government over it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You could borrow the wall from Ringworld (1000 miles high), electrify it and cover it with 50 cal machine gun emplacements and it still wouldn't fix the "problem" (let's assume illegals are actually one worth all this fuss for a second).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-federal-data-show/?utm_term=.14d1f64fde76

By far, most illegals enter the country legally, and don't cross the border where a wall would go.

This whole thing is a sham to get votes. Anyone wanting the wall is either an ignorant moron, or someone that knows better playing team ball.

I've got the formula for Scrinth down but I need to tap into the vacuum and draw sufficient energy to make it. Fusion was not good enough so that got tossed on a shelf somewhere, antimatter was unstable during manufacture. Probably be another six months before I have a lunar mass of energy per second ready to go...

Hey, if I'm gonna Sci-fi, I'm going large.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I used to joke with my exwife about rishathra

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not sure why facts even matter at this point. A sizable part of the country wants a wall. They’re wrong about it solving their problems but they want it, and in the scheme of things for governmental size the cost ain’t gonna break us either. Hell, think of it as shovel ready stimulus. So now the question why is the left willing to dig their heels and shut down the government over it?

As I said what enabling a chronic blackmailer worth? If the Dems cave on the wall in a way Trump likes then he's just won the country and it now belongs to him. How? If it works once, it will work again and again...

I'm not sure how closely the House Dems are permitted to work with the SDNY and Mueller, but our best bet is taking all the crimes we find and criminally indict and prosecute Trump ASAP. The Reps will then dump Trump like the deadly viper he is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I used to joke with my exwife about rishathra

I loved Niven's work. I need to work on a tasp next. I can fix a whole lot of things in DC with that.

 

[UglyCasanova]

As I said what enabling a chronic blackmailer worth? If the Dems cave on the wall in a way Trump likes then he's just won the country and it now belongs to him. How? If it works once, it will work again and again...

I'm not sure how closely the House Dems are permitted to work with the SDNY and Mueller, but our best bet is taking all the crimes we find and criminally indict and prosecute Trump ASAP. The Reps will then dump Trump like the deadly viper he is.

Don’t cave, compromise. Ask for something and get it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don’t cave, compromise. Ask for something and get it.

Actually, we did that and it was shot down. Trump is all or nothing. There is no "Art of the Deal", it's the force of unbridled power corrupting the owner of the One Ring.

What could Bilbo have offered in trade for "the Precious"?

 

[Jhhnn]

Not sure why facts even matter at this point. A sizable part of the country wants a wall. They’re wrong about it solving their problems but they want it, and in the scheme of things for governmental size the cost ain’t gonna break us either. Hell, think of it as shovel ready stimulus. So now the question why is the left willing to dig their heels and shut down the government over it?

All the reasons have been patiently explained to you ad infinitum.

Dems aren't shutting down the govt. Trump is. He owns this, and GOP congress critters are letting him do it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Actually, we did that and it was shot down. Trump is all or nothing. There is no "Art of the Deal", it's the force of unbridled power corrupting the owner of the One Ring.

What could Bilbo have offered in trade for "the Precious"?

You didn’t do that with a shutdown looming though.