Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[Jhhnn]

No I cast my vote for a Dem governor the last election, probably won’t this one coming up, cast my vote Dem in 2008 and 2012. Not tearing them down, just call it as I see it and go with whatever I think best.

Why would anybody who paid attention to your posting history believe any of that?

 

[fskimospy]

I don’t think we should. Find where I said we should build it. Why would I articulate that?

So are you for open borders?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why would anybody who paid attention to your posting history believe any of that?

Go find my posts from 2008 or 2012?

 

[UglyCasanova]

So are you for open borders?

No of course not.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t think we should. Find where I said we should build it. Why would I articulate that?

Oh, please. You've said Dems should placate the toddler in chief & his mindless minions, which means letting them build their wall. You know, because it's not that much money & because there are just so many of them. Because it's not really that bad of an idea. Because Hillary. Because reasons & shit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Go find my posts from 2008 or 2012?

Why would I believe what you said then when what you say today is so dishonest?

 

[fskimospy]

No of course not.

So if you can oppose the wall and not be for open borders why can’t I?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So if you can oppose the wall and not be for open borders why can’t I?

Because Trump wants to fight ISIS by helping them come back so we need a wall. Why do you support terrorism? That makes as much as sense as a lot of this thread.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Oh, please. You've said Dems should placate the toddler in chief & his mindless minions, which means letting them build their wall. You know, because it's not that much money & because there are just so many of them. Because it's not really that bad of an idea. Because Hillary. Because reasons & shit.

No I’m questioning why this issue is where you dig your heels in and say no. I honk the wall is a stupid idea by why is that the thing to shut the government over. To me it doesn’t seem worth it

 

[UglyCasanova]

So if you can oppose the wall and not be for open borders why can’t I?

Didn’t say you couldn’t. So just so I understand it, you think it’s worth shutting down the government because you think it’s a bad idea, waste of money, and looks bad for PR? That’s the reason?

 

[Victorian Gray]

A little less than half the population is not a large segment? Really?

In actual votes Trump received the votes of approximately 25 % of the eligible voting population.

 

[Viper1j]

Presidents don’t go to prison. And I think you overestimate what he can actually do if he were even inclined.

EX- presidents can go to prison.. He will meet many of his "base" when he gets there.

 

[zzyzxroad]

No I’m questioning why this issue is where you dig your heels in and say no. I honk the wall is a stupid idea by why is that the thing to shut the government over. To me it doesn’t seem worth it

Why are the Republicans shutting down the government over something more than have the population oppose?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why are the Republicans shutting down the government over something more than have the population oppose?

Because that’s what they want? Trump campaigned on this, was a big promise. The Big Promise really. BS about Mexico paying for it but ultimately he campaigned hard on building a wall for border security. Whether you think it’s a waste of money or not is irrelevant. This is a critical issue for them.

Why is it a critical issue to oppose for the Dems is my big question. Ok you blew money and built a wall, why would Dems care this much. Much of America is asking the same question. So far I’ve got pretty lackluster answers...

 

[UglyCasanova]

EX- presidents can go to prison.. He will meet many of his "base" when he gets there.

No they won’t. You know they won’t. America can’t stomach it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No I’m questioning why this issue is where you dig your heels in and say no. I honk the wall is a stupid idea by why is that the thing to shut the government over. To me it doesn’t seem worth it

The dems didn't shut the gov't down, trump did.

 

[Engineer]

Because that’s what they want? Trump campaigned on this, was a big promise. The Big Promise really. BS about Mexico paying for it but ultimately he campaigned hard on building a wall for border security. Whether you think it’s a waste of money or not is irrelevant. This is a critical issue for them.

Why is it a critical issue to oppose for the Dems is my big question. Ok you blew money and built a wall, why would Dems care this much. Much of America is asking the same question. So far I’ve got pretty lackluster answers...

Maybe they have grown a pair and are just opposed to anything that cheeto wants. Worked pretty well for Mitch against Obama so why not.

As far as I'm concerned, fuck cheeto and the gop. This is on him and the house for caving to his tantrum.

Oh, and your trying to spin this on the dems rings 100% hollow.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The dems didn't shut the gov't down, trump did.

I mean that’s a political spin if it makes you feel better. Yes attump shut it down because he and his base and according to that survey somebody linked earlier 43% of voters want the damned wall whether it works or not. Dems say no, we won’t go along with it for various reasons (that’s not open borders!) and thus the gov gets shut down. Spin it how you want. Dems dug their heels in and said no, why?

 

[Viper1j]

No they won’t. You know they won’t. America can’t stomach it.

Real Americans believe that NO ONE is above the law.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Maybe they have grown a pair and are just opposed to anything that cheeto wants.

I think that may be the real reason. A wall would be symbolic of a win for the right. Can’t have that.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Real Americans believe that NO ONE is above the law.

Until push comes to shove. Nixon was pardoned because America couldn’t stomach it. Once you reach a certain point you’re untouchable. Not saying it’s right. Just saying it’s reality. Anyone who thinks Trump will ever see a jail cell are naive.

 

[Viper1j]

I mean that’s a political spin if it makes you feel better. Yes attump shut it down because he and his base and according to that survey somebody linked earlier 43% of voters want the damned wall whether it works or not. Dems say no, we won’t go along with it for various reasons (that’s not open borders!) and thus the gov gets shut down. Spin it how you want. Dems dug their heels in and said no, why?

Unlike Trump, video never lies.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Does his base want a wall?

 

[esquared]

Until push comes to shove. Nixon was pardoned because America couldn’t stomach it. Once you reach a certain point you’re untouchable. Not saying it’s right. Just saying it’s reality. Anyone who thinks Trump will ever see a jail cell are naive.

Regarding nixon..
Ha ha ha ha. No.
The public wanted nixon punished.
Ford went against popular opinion.
When Ford pardoned nixon, his popularity dropped from 71% to 50% following the pardon.
The people wanted nixons head

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Didn’t say you couldn’t. So just so I understand it, you think it’s worth shutting down the government because you think it’s a bad idea, waste of money, and looks bad for PR? That’s the reason?

Can you also add “does nothing meaningful to address illegal immigration as it exists today to this list too please?. Neither the methods or motivations for it.