Religion of Peace

[JEDIYoda]

I already pointed that there s not a single human who doesnt use religion as a variable geometry item, in the early 2000s i was playing in a jazz/funk/oriental group where we were 5 muslims, or supposed to be so, when eating generaly in restaurants before playing one did drink orange juice and the four others fine french wines, and yet 4 out of 5 did state that they were muslims, number 5 was me and i had no religious stance, actualy i never paid attention to this, i remember that my parents, although believers, rarely talked of religion, they even never took the initiative to learn their children how to pray nor tried to tell them to do a shehada, since the age of 15 i stated that i ll never make the Ramadan and i never did a religious ritual, and that s really not a problem with either my parents or any other muslims, my point, wich is well known by my relatives, is that such a ritual should be done by the wealthy people, poor people have nothing to gain from such a practice, they already know what poorness is, worse, this practice could even lead them to think that there are less favourised people and keep them from progressing in life since they could well be satisfied with their current status thinking that it s not the worse one....

Anyway it s incredible to see all stereotypes that are running in this forum, it s like mediocre people are willfully misrepresenting muslims as a mean to boost their own ego and live in the illusion that they are not that mediocre after all.

As said when i was a child i was the first in my class to master reading and writing french correctly after a mere 3 months of elementary school, at age 6, and despite being in France only since i was 4.5 years, and i was the only one that wasnt native of this country, this remind me a french musician friend of italian/polish descent, he told me that he went to the US in an student exchange when he was 15; to his surprise and despite not being a native english speaker he find himself being the best pupil in the US classes, i just cant imagine that a US student would be more brillant than french students when studying with their own language, if anything this point to the US people being quite mediocre despite living in a first world country, hence this forum extremely low level.

sounds like a bunch of made up nonsense in a vain attempt to make a false point .

 

[Abwx]

Out of your entire post, you used a total of 3 periods. I don't count the incorrect use of ellipsis. The whole first part is a single sentence. I don't know what your first language is, but I assume it uses periods.

Also, I love how you point out the use of stereotypes of Muslims, and then proceed to stereotype Americans. Kudos to you sir, as that could not have been easy to be that ironic.

I have two languages that i would consider native, arabic and french, at school we learned three foreign european languages, with mixed successes though...

As for stereotyping US people this is what i got from people who get there, i know a few US people who live here in France but they are surely not representative of the average US joe, i also know a few US citizen that live in their country but i dont think that lawyers or engineers are common people, of course i have a picture thanks to this forum and in all honnesty there are some brillant people from wich i like to read posts.

There s quite a diversity in opinions but generaly the leftists are more intelligent and have a better perception of all things, that said i wont put my european country that above the US, certainly that people in France are more educated on average but that s only an average and you ll see also a dicrepancy between right wingers that are quite raw and leftists who are generaly, but not always, much more intellectualy challenging.

That said i ll point the usual european stereotypes when it comes to the US people wich are perceived, wrong or right, as adult children, often, if not always, incapable of deep insight when it comes to understand political systems and ideologies, of course educated people know that under the guise of an ultra capitalist system the US is quite socialized, even if it s mainly for the corporates benefits.

What is difficult to understand here is that the US has a strong ideological bias that make it unable of adopting cost effective solutions in healthcare, and of course US gun legislation is something that is extremely foreign to Europe, the right and possibility to battle an eventual illegal power is just a children illusion wich fuel the afformentioned european stereotype, do the US people really think that if their government was to start anti constitutional behaviour they could, and would, oppose it with poor guns and rifles.?.

What about the Patriot act.?.

The very fact that it was voted with no opposition is the prove that the US people would be passive anyway if deprived of many other rights, all is needed is to slowly but surely heat the water where the unsuspecting frog is swiming thinking that the slowly increasing warmth will get her more comfort on the long term...

 

[Abwx]

sounds like a bunch of made up nonsense in a vain attempt to make a false point .

Ok, so if every man that believe in a religion is not using it for personal convenience then you can only aknowledge that all thoses intolerant people are what the jewish religion is teaching, and that they are scrupulously following their religion tenets :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXdgCdC6siw

And dont tell me that it s only one guy, it s a whole (wall?!) street..

Or perhaps that you re the same kind of guy once you set foot on Palestine.??.

 

[Sulaco]

I already pointed that there s not a single human who doesnt use religion as a variable geometry item, in the early 2000s i was playing in a jazz/funk/oriental group where we were 5 muslims, or supposed to be so, when eating generaly in restaurants before playing one did drink orange juice and the four others fine french wines, and yet 4 out of 5 did state that they were muslims, number 5 was me and i had no religious stance, actualy i never paid attention to this, i remember that my parents, although believers, rarely talked of religion, they even never took the initiative to learn their children how to pray nor tried to tell them to do a shehada, since the age of 15 i stated that i ll never make the Ramadan and i never did a religious ritual, and that s really not a problem with either my parents or any other muslims, my point, wich is well known by my relatives, is that such a ritual should be done by the wealthy people, poor people have nothing to gain from such a practice, they already know what poorness is, worse, this practice could even lead them to think that there are less favourised people and keep them from progressing in life since they could well be satisfied with their current status thinking that it s not the worse one....

Anyway it s incredible to see all stereotypes that are running in this forum, it s like mediocre people are willfully misrepresenting muslims as a mean to boost their own ego and live in the illusion that they are not that mediocre after all.

As said when i was a child i was the first in my class to master reading and writing french correctly after a mere 3 months of elementary school, at age 6, and despite being in France only since i was 4.5 years, and i was the only one that wasnt native of this country, this remind me a french musician friend of italian/polish descent, he told me that he went to the US in an student exchange when he was 15; to his surprise and despite not being a native english speaker he find himself being the best pupil in the US classes, i just cant imagine that a US student would be more brillant than french students when studying with their own language, if anything this point to the US people being quite mediocre despite living in a first world country, hence this forum extremely low level.

Wait, aren't you the same intellectual derelict who didn't believe the moon landings were real because, in your estimation, the lunar lander looked like a piece of junk that couldn't fly through space?

Yes, yes you are. Should I link to that thread?

When it was pointed out to you that it was in fact carried within another launch vehicle, you doubled down on your idiocy and insisted it still didn't look good enough to you to operate on the moon.
When multiple more educated and intelligent people than yourself linked to you the various accredited documentation on exactly how the lunar lander worked and the multiple aspects and technologies involved that you simply didn't understand, you disappeared from the thread.

Honestly, you have no room to criticize anyone or any group's intelligence or education. You've constantly and consistently made a fool of yourself on here, and been a laughingstock with every horribly articulated and punctuated post you make.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If anyone is looking to display ignorance here:Victorian Gray wins!
willful ignorance, even.
All whilst pointing finger and calling people "bigot" and such. :/

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc.../02/17/stabbing-religion-southfield/23548375/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31502863

There's a lot of "peace" and fellowship going on the last few days in the name of Islam. Bazinga

When was it that Luther was burned at the stake again? Was that before or after Jefferson founded the US Marines to fight against Islam?

 

[Abwx]

Wait, aren't you the same intellectual derelict who didn't believe the moon landings were real because, in your estimation, the lunar lander looked like a piece of junk that couldn't fly through space?

Yes, i said so.

Yes, yes you are. Should I link to that thread?

Please do, and if possible bring it back to life, even if it was some thread derailing in some way, it would be welcomed recyclage, also if Eskimopsy is by there i d like to discuss with him of a link he provided to counter my argument about the absence of crater under the LM.

When it was pointed out to you that it was in fact carried within another launch vehicle, you doubled down on your idiocy and insisted it still didn't look good enough to you to operate on the moon.
When multiple more educated and intelligent people than yourself linked to you the various accredited documentation on exactly how the lunar lander worked and the multiple aspects and technologies involved that you simply didn't understand, you disappeared from the thread.

Honestly, you have no room to criticize anyone or any group's intelligence or education. You've constantly and consistently made a fool of yourself on here, and been a laughingstock with every horribly articulated and punctuated post you make.

This is typical of someone that use a subject to discuss about a completely different one, i m assuming that i m right on this lunar issue but even if i wasnt it s total stupidity to use this discussion as an argument when talking of political or sociological issues.

That said i post a few pictures but i wont insist, it will be the only irrelevant post from me in this thread, by your will of course :

Surely a traffic accident....

They took the time to clean the thing, not a single microgramme of dust..

 

[schmuckley]

When was it that Luther was burned at the stake again? Was that before or after Jefferson founded the US Marines to fight against Islam?

The year 1521. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther figuratively..anyways..
He really died in 1546
I know..I know..Wikipedia..I'm lazy tonight.

and that was several centuries before Thomas Jefferson deployed the Marine Corps against Barbary coast Muslims:
http://www.thehistoryreader.com/military-history/marine-corps-special-operations-brief-history/

The Marine Corps was founded by Samuel Nicholas.

http://www.defense.gov/afd/marinecorps.aspx

The difference between you and me is that I can admit when I'm wrong and learn;an ability you seem to lack.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The year 1415. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
I know..I know..Wikipedia..I'm lazy tonight.

Lazy is not the word I'd use. Now, if you'd bothered to actually read what you linked you would have found this:

"The negotiations were successfully concluded on 17 February 1546. After 8:00 pm, he experienced chest pains. When he went to his bed, he prayed, "Into your hand I commit my spirit; you have redeemed me, O Lord, faithful God" (Ps. 31:5), the common prayer of the dying. At 1:00 am he awoke with more chest pain and was warmed with hot towels. He thanked God for revealing his Son to him in whom he had believed. His companions, Justus Jonas and Michael Coelius, shouted loudly, "Reverend father, are you ready to die trusting in your Lord Jesus Christ and to confess the doctrine which you have taught in his name?" A distinct "Yes" was Luther's reply."

An apoplectic stroke deprived him of his speech, and he died shortly afterwards at 2:45 a.m. on 18 February 1546, aged 62, in Eisleben, the city of his birth."

See anything in there about being burned at the stake?

EDIT: Oh yeah, and, uh, the date 1415. <snicker>.

and that was several centuries before Thomas Jefferson deployed the Marine Corps against Barbary coast Muslims:
http://www.thehistoryreader.com/military-history/marine-corps-special-operations-brief-history/

The Marine Corps was founded by Samuel Nicholas.

http://www.defense.gov/afd/marinecorps.aspx

Which is *not* what you originally claimed. And then you refused to acknowledge that you were wrong when presented with proof that was the case.

The difference between you and me is that I can admit when I'm wrong and learn;an ability you seem to lack.

ROFLMAO!

 

[thraashman]

The year 1415. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
I know..I know..Wikipedia..I'm lazy tonight.

Are ... are you on drugs? You link the wiki of Martin Luther to say he was burned at the stake in 1415, when A) he was not burned at the stake, and B) 1415 was 68 years before he was even born. Since you've soundly proven you're wrong with every single post you've ever made on this forum, I suggest you leave and go study then return when you've hopefully learned something and perhaps you can have a discussion where the rest of us don't feel like we're talking to a severely developmentally disabled infant child.

 

[schmuckley]

I see Victorian and his cubicle mate berating me..
Go toast some hot-pockets in the breakroom and be happy.
Actually it was who Martin Luther patterned his life after that got burned at the stake..
John Huss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrSn4bz0TCo

Look,just because I make a comment from long-past memory off the top of the head does not mean I am not educated about current events.
Quote me one relevant post you have made in this thread, thraashman.
For that matter,ever..LOL

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yes, i said so.






Please do, and if possible bring it back to life, even if it was some thread derailing in some way, it would be welcomed recyclage, also if Eskimopsy is by there i d like to discuss with him of a link he provided to counter my argument about the absence of crater under the LM.





This is typical of someone that use a subject to discuss about a completely different one, i m assuming that i m right on this lunar issue but even if i wasnt it s total stupidity to use this discussion as an argument when talking of political or sociological issues.

That said i post a few pictures but i wont insist, it will be the only irrelevant post from me in this thread, by your will of course :

Surely a traffic accident....

They took the time to clean the thing, not a single microgramme of dust..

That is just sheer ignorance for you to believe the landing on the moon never happened! But coming from you with the track record that you have I find it very believable that you would think such a thing!!

 

[Abwx]

That is just sheer ignorance for you to believe the landing on the moon never happened! But coming from you with the track record that you have I find it very believable that you would think such a thing!!

I see that you re using the pics as a mean to deflect the subject despite my sayings that i wont adress no more this issue in this thread, i guess that you re annoyed to answer to this post, isnt it, because it show your true faces, i already debunked your lies when you said that you went to Morocco and that your description of this country obviously was pure inventions.

Ok, so if every man that believe in a religion is not using it for personal convenience then you can only aknowledge that all thoses intolerant people are what the jewish religion is teaching, and that they are scrupulously following their religion tenets :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXdgCdC6siw

And dont tell me that it s only one guy, it s a whole (wall?!) street..

Or perhaps that you re the same kind of guy once you set foot on Palestine.??.

So we can assume that these jews are representative of all jews since you refused to adress this post that was directed to you.

 

[Blue_Max]

So we can assume that these jews are representative of all jews since you refused to adress this post that was directed to you.

Imagine that, a muslim who can't stop criticizing jews!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I see that you re using the pics as a mean to deflect the subject despite my sayings that i wont adress no more this issue in this thread, i guess that you re annoyed to answer to this post, isnt it, because it show your true faces, i already debunked your lies when you said that you went to Morocco and that your description of this country obviously was pure inventions.

Ah so that's what you were trying to do...umm okay!! I get it now!!

 

[Orignal Earl]

Imagine that, a muslim who can't stop criticizing jews!

Did you notice this topic was started by a fellow with a very Jewish name?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Imagine that, a muslim who can't stop criticizing jews!

Imagine this, a whole buncha Muslims being friends with Jews.

"More than 1,000 people formed a "ring of peace" outside the Norwegian capital's synagogue. The event was organized by young Muslims after a series of attacks against Jews in Europe."

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...s-form-circle-of-peace-at-oslo-synagogue.html

 

[JEDIYoda]

Imagine this, a whole buncha Muslims being friends with Jews.

"More than 1,000 people formed a "ring of peace" outside the Norwegian capital's synagogue. The event was organized by young Muslims after a series of attacks against Jews in Europe."

Umm you just don`t get it do you??
I see no friends there!! What I see is Muslims circling the Synagogue because they know full well that if could very well be their Mosque that is next on the list!

Please do not make this out to be more than it is!

It is not a touchy feely lovy dovie moment!! Kodak would not approve of your blindness!!

This was about Muslims wanting to change the up to now accurate perception others have of them!


One of the eight independent organizers of Saturday&#8217;s event in Oslo, Hajrah Arshad said the gathering shows &#8220;that Islam is about love and unity.&#8221;


&#8220;We want to demonstrate that Jews and Muslims do not hate each other,&#8221; co-organizer Zeeshan Abdullah told the crowd, standing in a half-circle before the white synagogue. &#8220;We do not want individuals to define what Islam is for the rest of us.&#8221;

 

[Victorian Gray]

Umm you just don`t get it do you??
I see no friends there!! What I see is Muslims circling the Synagogue because they know full well that if could very well be their Mosque that is next on the list!

Please do not make this out to be more than it is!

It is not a touchy feely lovy dovie moment!! Kodak would not approve of your blindness!!

This was about Muslims wanting to change the up to now accurate perception others have of them!


One of the eight independent organizers of Saturday’s event in Oslo, Hajrah Arshad said the gathering shows “that Islam is about love and unity.”


“We want to demonstrate that Jews and Muslims do not hate each other,” co-organizer Zeeshan Abdullah told the crowd, standing in a half-circle before the white synagogue. “We do not want individuals to define what Islam is for the rest of us.”

Haters gonna hate.

 

[justoh]

Haters gonna hate.

You seem more testy than usual?

 

[werepossum]

Umm you just don`t get it do you??
I see no friends there!! What I see is Muslims circling the Synagogue because they know full well that if could very well be their Mosque that is next on the list!

Please do not make this out to be more than it is!

It is not a touchy feely lovy dovie moment!! Kodak would not approve of your blindness!!

This was about Muslims wanting to change the up to now accurate perception others have of them!


One of the eight independent organizers of Saturday’s event in Oslo, Hajrah Arshad said the gathering shows “that Islam is about love and unity.”


“We want to demonstrate that Jews and Muslims do not hate each other,” co-organizer Zeeshan Abdullah told the crowd, standing in a half-circle before the white synagogue. “We do not want individuals to define what Islam is for the rest of us.”

I don't see how you make this a bad thing. These Muslims could easily have taken the all-too-common path of saying the attack was wrong, then immediately launching into all the reasons it was justified. They did not. Instead they symbolically joined with the Jews and said this behavior is not Islam as we practice it, and it is not acceptable to us. This is a GOOD thing. This is what we're always saying good Muslims should do. Short of hunting down radical Muslims and killing them (itself a crime) I don't see what more they could do.

I can be very intolerant of Islam when I think it's warranted. It's a religion that for far too many practitioners is still rooted in seventh century mores. Yet even in the seventh century, Muslims and Jews and Christians sometimes coexisted peacefully as neighbors, even sometimes intermarrying. I see these people as symbolic of that tolerance, and I welcome it.

All evil needs to prevail is for good men to do nothing. These good people are doing something. We should all take heed.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You seem more testy than usual?

Nope. Feeling pretty good actually. Thanks for asking.

 

[boomerang]

The 1000 person ring of peace thing was a hoax fabricated by the media. There were about 20 of them. Too few to even form a ring so they formed a short line. Local news reported that there were about 1300 people in attendance and the media used that number to fabricate the story. At this point I'm starting to question whether the 20 were even Muslims.

Here's where I first read about it. Links are within.

http://iotwreport.com/?p=275634

 

[Orignal Earl]

American Jews posting hate speech against Muslims right here in P&N
American military officers making death threats against posters and their families right here in P&N
American posters constantly posting Islam is evil threads.

Ya..I dunno, but it seems anti-American American posters are the biggest threat here

 

[Abwx]

The 1000 person ring of peace thing was a hoax fabricated by the media. There were about 20 of them. Too few to even form a ring so they formed a short line. Local news reported that there were about 1300 people in attendance and the media used that number to fabricate the story. At this point I'm starting to question whether the 20 were even Muslims.

Here's where I first read about it. Links are within.

http://iotwreport.com/?p=275634

I clicked on your link and i did read this on the article :

in fact, pictures from multiple angles show that there wasn’t enough people to form a ring

Yet this site doesnt display a single pic of thoses "multiple angles", i guess that they are talking of a racist angle, so much for the hoax, for the time it s you that is spreading an hoax..

This just show that you are ready to take at face value whatever is muslim bashing, and you dont even have the honnesty to try to check if thoses pics exists, prove that you are yourself an hoaxer and junk spreader.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The 1000 person ring of peace thing was a hoax fabricated by the media. There were about 20 of them. Too few to even form a ring so they formed a short line. Local news reported that there were about 1300 people in attendance and the media used that number to fabricate the story. At this point I'm starting to question whether the 20 were even Muslims.

Here's where I first read about it. Links are within.

http://iotwreport.com/?p=275634

btw. at least 1000 people attended the event organized by Muslims.
They included Christians, Jews, atheists and Muslims

The spin is happening on your sites