Religion of Peace

[Abwx]

btw. at least 1000 people attended the event organized by Muslims.
They included Christians, Jews, atheists and Muslims

The spin is happening on your sites

His hoax claim backfired like a boomerang...

 

[Victorian Gray]

The 1000 person ring of peace thing was a hoax fabricated by the media. There were about 20 of them. Too few to even form a ring so they formed a short line. Local news reported that there were about 1300 people in attendance and the media used that number to fabricate the story. At this point I'm starting to question whether the 20 were even Muslims.

Here's where I first read about it. Links are within.

http://iotwreport.com/?p=275634

Well, there was this Jewish fellow who was there:

http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-shabbat-inside-oslos-circle-peace-exceeded-expectations/

The Times of Israel believes it:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/1000-join-muslim-ring-of-peace-outside-oslo-synagogue/

And the Israel National News believes it:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191635

 

[Remobz]

There was a time when I use to care about the Palestinians and their treatment at the hands of the Israeli army and government.

Now, I could care less for those bastards. Islam has become evil, blood thirsty and perverted. I don't give a damn anymore. Screw it!

 

[Orignal Earl]

There was a time when I use to care about the Palestinians and their treatment at the hands of the Israeli army and government.

Now, I could care less for those bastards. Islam has become evil, blood thirsty and perverted. I don't give a damn anymore. Screw it!

Another win for Daesh.

 

[Omar F1]

There was a time when I use to care about the Palestinians and their treatment at the hands of the Israeli army and government.

Now, I could care less for those bastards. Islam has become evil, blood thirsty and perverted. I don't give a damn anymore. Screw it!

And there was time when the whole Islamic nations was united for once, that Israel must stop and US aid to them must be ended as well. Not before some alleged group went to declare war on US, and picture has changed completely since then, as the victim became a terrorist and now their countries keep dropping one after another.


But honestly, I don't blame you and completely understand your point, as humans we are supposed to believe in what we see or hear only.

 

[blastingcap]

And there was time when the whole Islamic nations was united for once, that Israel must stop and US aid to them must be ended as well. Not before some alleged group went to declare war on US, and picture has changed completely since then, as the victim became a terrorist and now their countries keep dropping one after another.


But honestly, I don't blame you and completely understand your point, as humans we are supposed to believe in what we see or hear only.

Jews were living in present day Israel anyway so carving out a piece for them isn't completely unreasonable. If you are referring to how Israel has behaved since then, I would agree that some of its behavior has been bad, especially lately (Gaza). But its Arab neighbors ganging up on it since practically its birth, isn't very neighborly behavior either.

And prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire it's not like the Middle East was a peaceful paradise, either. The Ottomans conquered the area, and partitioned it into various pieces for regional governance. Is that not somewhat arbitrary too, like the Allies slicing off a somewhat arbitrary piece of land for Israel?

You're never going to have a perfect solution but I for one would be in favor of a 2-state solution and Israeli withdrawal from the non-UN-recognized territories.

 

[Omar F1]

" It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”"

"the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war."

“What’s striking about them is not just the literalism, but also the seriousness with which they read these texts,” Haykel said. “There is an assiduous, obsessive seriousness that Muslims don’t normally have.”

RIF
Victorian Gray fail

Q:What is Dabiq?

If you don't understand Islam what what people believe, then why should anyone listen to what you have to say?

Just for the record, I've absolutely no idea what Dabiq is till I heard about it from you guys, though I heard about the mentioned upcoming battle.

But I think you shouldn't discredit us altogether for lacking such bit of information.


Btw, that atlantic article in which you said he did consult an expert, is it he that guy in the picture with a lot of Arabic clean untouched-looking books?
Because such huge books if they weren't abused a bit, that would make me skeptical if he did read them all

 

[blastingcap]

Just for the record, I've absolutely no idea what Dabiq is till I heard about it from you guys, though I heard about the mentioned upcoming battle.

But I think you shouldn't discredit us altogether for lacking such bit of information.

I'm not saying Muslims should know about Dabiq. It's kind of a weird trivia. I was just saying that it is generally accepted that if you understand an enemy, you have a better chance of defeating it. Victorian basically said he didn't know or care to know about Dabiq. I was saying that since he doesn't even care to even TRY to understand Daesh's perspective, that hurts Victorian's credibility.

Imho, anyone who has closely followed Daesh should know about Dabiq, for crying out loud it's the name of their "magazine"! I've known about Dabiq since last summer, as well as their detailed recordkeeping, etc. but I follow this news much more closely than probably most on this forum. I'm not even sure why, considering that I am not religious or really impacted that much personally.

But my coworker's husband is Syrian and most of his family is still there. And I was stuck at home for a large part of last year including Mosul's fall which surprised me enough that I started reading everything I could about what had happened and why. Since then, I've returned to work but still kept close track of Kobane/Ayn-al-Arab and Syrian news.

Out of curiosity where are you living, Omar? From your name and "location" I am guessing Pakistan, Dagestan, or Afghanistan? Almost certainly not Iran.

And yes that's the expert with books.

 

[Omar F1]

Jews were living in present day Israel anyway so carving out a piece for them isn't completely unreasonable. If you are referring to how Israel has behaved since then, I would agree that some of its behavior has been bad, especially lately (Gaza). But its Arab neighbors ganging up on it since practically its birth, isn't very neighborly behavior either.

And prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire it's not like the Middle East was a peaceful paradise, either. The Ottomans conquered the area, and partitioned it into various pieces for regional governance. Is that not somewhat arbitrary too, like the Allies slicing off a somewhat arbitrary piece of land for Israel?

You're never going to have a perfect solution but I for one would be in favor of a 2-state solution and Israeli withdrawal from the non-UN-recognized territories.

Talking about Israel would be a very long debate with predetermined minds from both sides, I think we shouldn't get on , and don't mix Israel with overall Jews as we are aware that they were part of the land way before European citizens has started to migrate there and claim their right.


As you're already aware, Arab had played a role in ending the Ottomans empire, and personally I'm not a fan of their past foreign and internal policies.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm not saying Muslims should know about Dabiq. It's kind of a weird trivia. I was just saying that it is generally accepted that if you understand an enemy, you have a better chance of defeating it. Victorian basically said he didn't know or care to know about Dabiq. I was saying that since he doesn't even care to even TRY to understand Daesh's perspective, that hurts Victorian's credibility.

WTF?!

And I quote your original statement: "If you don't understand Islam what what [sic] people believe, then why should anyone listen to what you have to say?"

And I asked, What does either an Islamic myth or an on-line magazine by Daesh tell us about Islam? Don't remember ever getting an answer to that.

Good grief, talk about credibility, at least get your story straight.

 

[blastingcap]

WTF?!

And I quote your original statement: "If you don't understand Islam what what [sic] people believe, then why should anyone listen to what you have to say?"

And I asked, What does either an Islamic myth or an on-line magazine by Daesh tell us about Islam? Don't remember ever getting an answer to that.

Interesting you harp on my typo and claim that you "don't remember" my reply... even though I replied to you in the very next post on this thread:

You have openly declared yourself ignorant of the mindset and beliefs of the people who are causing problems in there.

Since you don't understand these people and don't seem to care that you don't understand these people, I don't think you are qualified to recommend any policies regarding them.

In contrast, here's an actual expert on the Middle East: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcDTP-7nleA

as cited in http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

You then got super defensive, saying "am I supposed to care" and instead of addressing your lack of perspective, attempted to criticize me. I responded to THAT post later on in the thread. Everyone on this thread knows that you are no expert on Islam. There is no need to be angry about it and deflect.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Everyone on this thread knows that you are no expert on Islam. There is no need to be angry about it and deflect.

I see one Muslim in this thread and pretty sure he says he is no expert, but he defiantly knows a lot more then anyone else.
If we were discussing Christianity we would have no experts on this board but we would have a lot that think they are, and then they would all argue about about which sect is right

 

[OutHouse]

When was it that Luther was burned at the stake again? Was that before or after Jefferson founded the US Marines to fight against Islam?

you are the dumbest Canadian who post on here.

 

[Orignal Earl]

you are the dumbest Canadian who post on here.

I've seen him burn you a few times.
That's probably why you see it that way

 

[OutHouse]

That said i post a few pictures but i wont insist, it will be the only irrelevant post from me in this thread, by your will of course :

you know there were 6 moon landings right? or do facts not concern you.

 

[blastingcap]

I see one Muslim in this thread and pretty sure he says he is no expert, but he defiantly knows a lot more then anyone else.
If we were discussing Christianity we would have no experts on this board but we would have a lot that think they are, and then they would all argue about about which sect is right

I have cited to an expert and furthermore the point about disproportionate representation is apparent. Crimes are underreported in some countries so citing to city crime stats is less than ideal. For instance many Arab women don't want to admit to being raped so it is not reported.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting you harp on my typo and claim that you "don't remember" my reply... even though I replied to you in the very next post on this thread:



You then got super defensive, saying "am I supposed to care" and instead of addressing your lack of perspective, attempted to criticize me. I responded to THAT post later on in the thread. Everyone on this thread knows that you are no expert on Islam. There is no need to be angry about it and deflect.

A "typo" that completely changes the meaning of the sentence in question.

Your reply was not an answer to my question. Here it is again. Care to try for an honest answer or will you continue to dissemble?

"What does either an Islamic myth or an on-line magazine by Daesh tell us about Islam?"

And you seem to be the only one who keeps harping on expertise. I've certainly never claimed to be an expert on Islam in any way, shape, or form. Are you claiming to be an expert on Islam?

And, I'm not angry, I simply despise dishonesty and you were being dishonest.

 

[Victorian Gray]

you are the dumbest Canadian who post on here.

Do you know what that was in reference to? I suspect not.

 

[blastingcap]

A "typo" that completely changes the meaning of the sentence in question.

Your reply was not an answer to my question. Here it is again. Care to try for an honest answer or will you continue to dissemble?

"What does either an Islamic myth or an on-line magazine by Daesh tell us about Islam?"

And you seem to be the only one who keeps harping on expertise. I've certainly never claimed to be an expert on Islam in any way, shape, or form. Are you claiming to be an expert on Islam?

And, I'm not angry, I simply despise dishonesty and you were being dishonest.

Please stop lying and quoting out of context. Yes it was just a typo, and if you had such difficulty understanding it then my posts immediately following it should have made it very clear. I didn't say you needed to know all about Dabiq to have a deep understanding of Islam. What I did say was that in the context of understanding Daesh you need to understand what they are thinking, Dabiq and all. Is that concept too difficult to grasp? I'm sorry if you didn't like my answer.

You have made various claims about Islam on this thread, being among the most active posters on this thread, yet you do not know much about Islam nor do you cite to experts to justify your flimsy knowledge of Islam.

I asked a fair question that you refused to answer: why should anyone listen to you about what Islam really means?

The answer is blindingly obvious of course: nobody should listen to you. You're just some guy who does not have any deep knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence, on an internet forum that isn't even dedicated to politics, military strategy, Syria, Iraq, Islam, or counter-terrorism.

Instead of admitting to that like a man, you got defensive and questioned my credentials instead. Here's the problem for you though: I am perfectly fine with saying nobody should listen to either of us and instead should read the Atlantic article that cites to an actual expert. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ If people read that article with an open mind, then I am content with whatever they conclude.

The Obama-school-of-thought responses to the Atlantic article have been weak, with people claiming it's all about jobs/poverty, but that's not really backed up by facts. See: http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/opinion/bergen-terrorism-root-causes/ as well as the simple observation that Islam is disproportionately represented among terrorists.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I have cited to an expert and furthermore the point about disproportionate representation is apparent. Crimes are underreported in some countries so citing to city crime stats is less than ideal. For instance many Arab women don't want to admit to being raped so it is not reported.

Every couple of minutes a woman is sexually assaulted in the US, at least a million rapes have gone unreported over the last couple of decades

 

[Victorian Gray]

Please stop lying and quoting out of context. Yes it was just a typo, and if you had such difficulty understanding it then my posts immediately following it should have made it very clear. I didn't say you needed to know all about Dabiq to have a deep understanding of Islam. What I did say was that in the context of understanding Daesh you need to understand what they are thinking, Dabiq and all. Is that concept too difficult to grasp? I'm sorry if you didn't like my answer.

You have made various claims about Islam on this thread, being among the most active posters on this thread, yet you do not know much about Islam nor do you cite to experts to justify your flimsy knowledge of Islam.

I asked a fair question that you refused to answer: why should anyone listen to you about what Islam really means?

The answer is blindingly obvious of course: nobody should listen to you. You're just some guy who does not have any deep knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence, on an internet forum that isn't even dedicated to politics, military strategy, Syria, Iraq, Islam, or counter-terrorism.

Instead of admitting to that like a man, you got defensive and questioned my credentials instead. Here's the problem for you though: I am perfectly fine with saying nobody should listen to either of us and instead should read the Atlantic article that cites to an actual expert. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ If people read that article with an open mind, then I am content with whatever they conclude.

The Obama-school-of-thought responses to the Atlantic article have been weak, with people claiming it's all about jobs/poverty, but that's not really backed up by facts. See: http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/opinion/bergen-terrorism-root-causes/ as well as the simple observation that Islam is disproportionately represented among terrorists.

Ok. Have a nice day.

 

[Zorkorist]

Victorian Gay is one of the finest attackers on the forum.

Original Erl, is a great follower.

Hi BlastingCap.

Seems you got some unwanted attention.

-John

 

[Abwx]

Just for the record, I've absolutely no idea what Dabiq is till I heard about it from you guys, though I heard about the mentioned upcoming battle.

But I think you shouldn't discredit us altogether for lacking such bit of information.


Btw, that atlantic article in which you said he did consult an expert, is it he that guy in the picture with a lot of Arabic clean untouched-looking books?
Because such huge books if they weren't abused a bit, that would make me skeptical if he did read them all

Dont pay attention to this fool, if you were to follow his logic you would pick the unworthy US citizens, like KKK members, and pretend that they are the most christianised people of the US with the rest agreeing even if not participating or supporting this sect...

You can see how he s acting with you, your word has no value since he pretend that some random criminals in Iraq or anywhere else are representative of what you are since you are muslims and that thoses criminals are born from muslim parents.

To talk the truth the 80% US citizen that supported an illegal war and the subsequent hundreds thousands innocent victims are actualy what he s talking about, that is violent people that do not bother killing innocents for supremacism purposes, it s just that they have an army of mercenaries to perform the crimes.

 

[blastingcap]

Dont pay attention to this fool, if you were to follow his logic you would pick the unworthy US citizens, like KKK members, and pretend that they are the most christianised people of the US with the rest agreeing even if not participating or supporting this sect...

You can see how he s acting with you, your word has no value since he pretend that some random criminals in Iraq or anywhere else are representative of what you are since you are muslims and that thoses criminals are born from muslim parents.

To talk the truth the 80% US citizen that supported an illegal war and the subsequent hundreds thousands innocent victims are actualy what he s talking about, that is violent people that do not bother killing innocents for supremacism purposes, it s just that they have an army of mercenaries to perform the crimes.

The poster quoted above continually, habitually puts words into other people's mouths. He writes inscrutable posts that don't make sense to anyone but himself. Trying to untangle his twisted thoughts is an exercise in futility. You have been warned.

 

[Abwx]

The poster quoted above continually, habitually puts words into other people's mouths. He writes inscrutable posts that don't make sense to anyone but himself. Trying to untangle his twisted thoughts is an exercise in futility. You have been warned.

My point, and it is clear, is that ones who ignore History can do whatever point he wants and you re exactly in this case, one can be voluntarly ignorant as a mean to be right.

Now let s look at recent history to check if christians were capable of mass murder by pure racism and rights denial.

Do you know Madagascar history..? No...

The French government's first official estimate of the number of Malagasy killed in the conflict was 89,000. In 1949 the High Commissioner of Madagascar added to this figure the estimated number who fled into the forest and were believed dead, declaring the true number of dead at over 100,000.

Notice that they are killed in their own land...


Do you know History of Algeria..?. No more than the former, it started earlier than 1947 of course but we ll get back to this date or so later.

Let s start with the "reason" for the invasion :

The conquest of Algeria was initiated in the last days of the Bourbon Restoration by Charles X as an attempt to increase his popularity amongst the French people, particularly in Paris, where many veterans of the Napoleonic Wars lived. He believed he would bolster patriotic sentiment and turn eyes away from his domestic policies.

And then :

Following the conquest of the Regency of Algiers, the Pacification of Algeria consists of a series of military operations which aimed to put an end to various tribal rebellions, razzias and massacres of French settlers, which were sporadically held in the Algerian countryside. The pacification of Algeria is an early example of unconventional warfare.

Enough to say that at least one million were killed over several decades, but that wasnt enough, after the Algerians had been incorporated in the french army to fight the german twice here how they were treated when they asked for equal rights in 1945 :

The initial outbreak occurred on the morning of May 8, 1945, the same day that Nazi Germany surrendered in World War II. A parade by about 5,000 of the Muslim Algerian population of Sétif to celebrate the victory ended in clashes between the marchers and the local French gendarmerie, when the latter tried to seize banners attacking colonial rule

Several dozen thousands massacred because they asked rights that were reserved to christians, yet the Algerians had to make military and war in the french army..

You will notice that the US invaded Iraq for the same reason than France invaded Algeria...


So much for muslims being violent, actualy History says that theses are the western (christians?) nations wich are living out of violence, only thoses nations eradicated other nations to take their lands and goods, check History poor fool, Haiti s whole 100 000 inhabitants where massacred and replaced by slaves imported by french and Spaniards.