Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

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fskimospy

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Have you seen the memo and actually know this? Or are you just speculating and knee-jerking here?

1) Literally everyone who isn't a partisan Republican who has seen it has said it is highly misleading, including the head of the FBI himself.

2) If the findings of this memo are robust then they should stand up to scrutiny from other informed individuals. The fact that Republicans are desperately attempting to prevent this scrutiny from being made public should indicate to any rational person that they believe it would not stand up.

3) This memo was made at the behest of an individual who has already been removed from some of his duties for attempting to mislead the public about surveillance activities related to the Russia investigation.

4) In short, this is a memo that's been described as inaccurate by everyone but partisan Republicans that they won't allow informed scrutiny of, written by someone who has already been busted for lying about this very same topic.

So I'll ask you again, I hope you vehemently oppose the release of this memo either entirely or at least without other documents that appropriately scrutinize it for factual errors or misleading/cherry picked information. Do you still put country over party enough to do this?
 

fskimospy

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Here's a former CIA director under George W. Bush describing what Republicans are trying to pull here:

https://twitter.com/jmclaughlinSAIS/status/958212056892755969

FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet it’s a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that.

So we've got Democrats, the FBI, former CIA directors, etc, all calling this out as transparent bullshit. Frankly even if conservatives end up agreeing and not releasing it it's scary that they even considered it to be a good idea for a moment to begin with. It speaks strongly to how diseased the Republican Party has become.
 

yllus

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A rare FBI statement on the going-ons:

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Moonbeam

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How does 'we create what we fear' work. You fear the government so greatly that you become it so you can destroy it in the name of saving it. This is where we get concepts like 1984 and war is peace or slavery is freedom etc. It's paranoid insanity. It's just like racism, the belief that black people, say, the color doesn't matter, are not equal because there is a prior inculcated belief they are inferior which makes it look like their inequality is obvious. You just have to look to see what you already believe.
 

fskimospy

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National Security Council is currently leading an interagency review of the memo...we'll get to the root of this soon I would think.

How will we get to the root of it if informed viewpoints disputing the memo's conclusions are suppressed by the government?
 

Jhhnn

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It seems unlikely that the memo will live up to its pre-release billing as a revelation about the FBI's secret society deep state conspiracy. Trumpsters, of course, already believe that it has.

Purge the unbelievers, the heretics, the usurpers & anybody who can't be bought or bullied. Hail Trump! Hail trickle down! Hail the mighty job creators because that is where our salvation lies!