Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[Moonbeam]

I seriously doubt that anything will be released. Nunes will agree to review by appropriate agencies, I suspect, then claim they redacted it for national security purposes to the point that there's nothing to release. Derp State strikes again.

I hope you are right but I don't think you are. The way I read Trump is that his feelings of worthlessness are in such conflict with practiced capacity to bully and roll over people, avoid prosecutions and dodge lawsuits by manipulation of the system that he will be driven to test whether he can push through a self created constitutional crisis. I think he is emotionally driven to need that kind of stress out of terror of failure that creates his only real pleasure, proving to himself he can beat it. He may have only 30 + % of the people with him, but he has a morally bankrupt majority in the House and Senate to support him. He may well win by overcoming all of the checks and balances we have to prevent dictatorship. I don't think we have ever faced such a danger. I also don't think any of this would be happening if he were not guilty of something he does not want Americans to find out about.

 

[fskimospy]

The memo will absolutely be released. The only question now is what Democrats and the federal bureaucracy do in order to fight back at this attempt to corrupt it.

It’s important to remember that this is a memo designed to undermine federal law enforcement because they are too vigorously investigating potential criminal behavior by the president and his associates. This is banana republic dictatorship style governance.

And no, the memo is not designed to detail law enforcement abuses. If it were they would welcome rebuttal so the public could have all the facts.

 

[Moonbeam]

The memo will absolutely be released. The only question now is what Democrats and the federal bureaucracy do in order to fight back at this attempt to corrupt it.

It’s important to remember that this is a memo designed to undermine federal law enforcement because they are too vigorously investigating potential criminal behavior by the president and his associates. This is banana republic dictatorship style governance.

And no, the memo is not designed to detail law enforcement abuses. If it were they would welcome rebuttal so the public could have all the facts.

I didn't see one Democrat or member of the fake news figure out why Trump mentioned that Gitmo is being kept open, saying only that it seemed off the wall. The deep state needs to be rooted out. The country is infected with evil and that evil isn't Trump at least according to Trump.

 

[brandonbull]

Folks should review some of HItler's tactics in the days he was seizing power and consolidating it to himself.

Yes they should.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't see one Democrat or member of the fake news figure out why Trump mentioned that Gitmo is being kept open, saying only that it seemed off the wall. The deep state needs to be rooted out. The country is infected with evil and that evil isn't Trump at least according to Trump.

I would not be surprised if Trump does not know why Gitmo is being kept open other than he thinks it sounds cool and tough.

 

[Moonbeam]

I would not be surprised if Trump does not know why Gitmo is being kept open other than he thinks it sounds cool and tough.

So you don't think it's a warning to the dark state that's where their going? You are no fun.

 

[pauldun170]

Fox News: People are saying.

FoxNews Headlines: People are saying that bear = 42?
FoxNews Editorial: "Democrats are obviously silent on this whole bear = 42 thing and it begs the question...Where is the Clinon Foundation in all this? What role does the Clinton foundation play in bear = 42 and is the FBI complicit in hiding evidence of bear =42 in the Hillary Clinton email investigation"
Follow up Trump Tweet: Loser Hillary conspires with FBI to hide bear = 42? Sad. We will not stand for treason!!"

 

[UNCjigga]

Paul Ryan wants to "cleanse" the FBI. If we continue down this path, at some point Trump could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and nothing would be done about it.

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html

"The FBI offered no comment to Fox News regarding bureau officials’ review of the document. Senior DOJ officials told Fox News after this story first posted, however, that they “dispute the characterization” that no inaccuracies could be cited.

Senior DOJ officials also had the opportunity to review the memo at DOJ headquarters on Monday."​

Do we have any names for these "senior DOJ officials"?

 

[HomerJS]

Do we have any names for these "senior DOJ officials"?

I hope a reporter asks for these names at the next presser. Need some accountability

 

[UNCjigga]

Gonna go out on a limb here, but could it be possible that Mueller's probe into Trump campaign finances might also uncover any malfeasance at the RNC that impacts Republican lawmakers? We already saw one rumor about the NRA leak...could it be that they've funneled cash from other foreign entities (cough arms dealers) in the past? I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why else would Republicans look to provide any cover for Trump to get rid of Mueller? I would argue that most have no loyalty to Trump and would be looking out for themselves going into 2018 mid-terms. Something just doesn't add up.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do we have any names for these "senior DOJ officials"?

The memo is currently being vetted by the DOJ, FBI, NSA and DNI. I have no idea specifically who will be conducting the reviews for each agency. But I am curious as to why this is important to you.

 

[Chromagnus]

Gonna go out on a limb here, but could it be possible that Mueller's probe into Trump campaign finances might also uncover any malfeasance at the RNC that impacts Republican lawmakers? We already saw one rumor about the NRA leak...could it be that they've funneled cash from other foreign entities (cough arms dealers) in the past? I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why else would Republicans look to provide any cover for Trump to get rid of Mueller? I would argue that most have no loyalty to Trump and would be looking out for themselves going into 2018 mid-terms. Something just doesn't add up.

High level corruption is always possible but I would warn you not to go too off the deep end on speculations and conspiracies. We have seen what can happen when a political group goes too far down that rabbit hole.

 

[Moonbeam]

Gonna go out on a limb here, but could it be possible that Mueller's probe into Trump campaign finances might also uncover any malfeasance at the RNC that impacts Republican lawmakers? We already saw one rumor about the NRA leak...could it be that they've funneled cash from other foreign entities (cough arms dealers) in the past? I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why else would Republicans look to provide any cover for Trump to get rid of Mueller? I would argue that most have no loyalty to Trump and would be looking out for themselves going into 2018 mid-terms. Something just doesn't add up.

The Russians also hacked the RNC but no information has been released. The Russians may have info to blackmail the Republicans or have given it to Trump so he can. This is one reason why Vladimir Trump needs to be impeached. It's just too weird for America that the Party of McCarthy is backing a Russian plant. Just that WTF whiplash could kill you.

 

[VRAMdemon]

FBI director Wray told the House he opposes release of the Nunes memo because it's full of partisan bullshit...

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/...sked-to-release-gop-memo?__twitter_impression

And apparently his website is still hosting Russian SEO spam from last years hack...

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-hosts-russian-seo-spam-from-last-years-hack/

 

[zinfamous]

The memo is currently being vetted by the DOJ, FBI, NSA and DNI. I have no idea specifically who will be conducting the reviews for each agency. But I am curious as to why this is important to you.

because we have been told that unnamed sources = fake news. I wonder why it doesn't matter now....in the things that you have heard. It's weird that you would willingly repeat fake news.

 

[zinfamous]

Gonna go out on a limb here, but could it be possible that Mueller's probe into Trump campaign finances might also uncover any malfeasance at the RNC that impacts Republican lawmakers? We already saw one rumor about the NRA leak...could it be that they've funneled cash from other foreign entities (cough arms dealers) in the past? I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but why else would Republicans look to provide any cover for Trump to get rid of Mueller? I would argue that most have no loyalty to Trump and would be looking out for themselves going into 2018 mid-terms. Something just doesn't add up.

It is strange because if anything, every single one of them would vastly prefer Pence to Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only reason GOP leaders ever opposed Trump is because they thought he was over the top with the dog whistling & base pandering. Too obvious. It's what they've been doing for decades, anyway, just with greater subtlety. Now that they know it sells they're all for him, of course, because he's with them at the level of policy, leading the charge in top down class warfare. Everybody but the Rich will be poorer when they get done with us including the govt.

Pence wouldn't have anywhere the appeal of Trump to lead them into the midterms & beyond so they'll just try to make Trump's problems go away by discrediting anybody who might reveal the truth. If Trump can purge the FBI of integrity they'll be able to exploit that themselves even after he's gone.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

because we have been told that unnamed sources = fake news. I wonder why it doesn't matter now....in the things that you have heard. It's weird that you would willingly repeat fake news.

In this particular case the unnamed sources were indeed correct. BTW, when was Tillerson supposed to resign again?

 

[UNCjigga]

It is strange because if anything, every single one of them would vastly prefer Pence to Trump.

It could be something else entirely I admit. I guess we'll now when we see the memo. There was word yesterday of a second dossier compiled by longtime Clinton ally Shearer, whom Steele met with to corroborate his own dossier. Could just be that Nunes' memo claims that Shearer, a Clinton ally, was original source for the Intel in the Steele Dossier. Combined with the Clinton campaign/DNC paying Fusion GPS, that would be ample fodder for Nunes to paint the whole dossier as a Clinton hit piece, and the entire FBI investigation and Mueller investigation as politically motivated. If that's the case, then it may just be that Republican lawmakers want to use that narrative going into 2018 mid-terms.

 

[interchange]

It is strange because if anything, every single one of them would vastly prefer Pence to Trump.

While that's probably true, it is not as simple as saying "we don't want Trump anymore, bring Pence in." An impeachment process significantly derails Congress from working on their political agenda, and the Republicans hold a thin majority going into midterm elections. Turning against Trump certainly risks a bad result there, and I'm sure they want to get everything on their agenda pushed across that they can before those elections. Larger than that is the risk of alienating Trump's base from the party as a whole. If they were to lose those voters, the whole party would no longer be solvent.

I don't think things would go quite that way. Republicans are already way behind going into the midterm elections compared to the start of Trump's presidency. I don't think anyone would remain loyal to Trump once he's history. And I think Congress despite their majorities within both houses and a Republican president cannot get along well enough to push their agenda anywhere near as much as they'd hope anyway.

Despite any of that, it is absolutely morally atrocious that they aren't acting against Trump already. But I don't find it strange that they are trying to keep the presidency going as long as they can.

 

[fskimospy]

In this particular case the unnamed sources were indeed correct. BTW, when was Tillerson supposed to resign again?

Sometime early this year, but why is that relevant?

I am going to hope that you still have enough loyalty to your country over your party and are vehemently against the release of this memo, at least without counter-arguments being released as well. Elected republicans seem incapable of understanding the long term consequences of their actions but I hope that’s not true for all Republicans.

 

[zinfamous]

In this particular case the unnamed sources were indeed correct. BTW, when was Tillerson supposed to resign again?

were they, though? Based on your article that cited the unnamed sources?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sometime early this year, but why is that relevant?

I am going to hope that you still have enough loyalty to your country over your party and are vehemently against the release of this memo, at least without counter-arguments being released as well. Elected republicans seem incapable of understanding the long term consequences of their actions but I hope that’s not true for all Republicans.

Have you seen the memo and actually know this? Or are you just speculating and knee-jerking here?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

were they, though? Based on your article that cited the unnamed sources?

Do you ever get outside your bubble and actually read the news?