Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[Doc Savage Fan]

I am already sure that what I’m looking at is Trump and the republicans leading us down the path to totalitarianism. I think what I see some may cone to see but some may never see because of unconscious bias. But I see no way to demonstrate I’m not the one with that bias. I have tried to look for the presence of a secret elite in the FBI but it looks to me to be an invented smoke screen to protect Trump.

The coming IG report will no doubt be part of that Trump smoke screen as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's his way of not having to come out and condemn something his political sports team has done. Can you imagine if Obama had been working with Democratic congressmen to release classified information over the objections of the FBI in order to undermine a criminal investigation into his administration? DSF would have been incandescent with rage.

Conservatives fail at introspection. Everybody knows this.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

With all the preemptive rationalization going on...this memo must be really, really bad for Democrats. I smell fear.

 

[fskimospy]

If you're going to make up horseshit...let's say "tears of rage" instead. I'll prefer to play the drama queen in your little make-believe world.

Funny how you keep ignoring substantive criticisms of the memo and your position on it, falsely claiming that people are inventing conspiracy theories, and then throwing out insults... all while complaining how rational discussion is hard here.

Be the change you want to see in the world, friend DSF. Be the change!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Funny how you keep ignoring substantive criticisms of the memo and your position on it, falsely claiming that people are inventing conspiracy theories, and then throwing out insults... all while complaining how rational discussion is hard here.

Be the change you want to see in the world, friend DSF. Be the change!

You did indeed invent a conspiracy theory...and did so regarding imagined events before they even happened! Dishonest denial is dishonest denial.

 

[UberNeuman]

With all the preemptive rationalization going on...this memo must be really, really bad for Democrats. I smell fear.

That smell is Trump’s fecal matter on your nose.

 

[Jhhnn]

With all the preemptive rationalization going on...this memo must be really, really bad for Democrats. I smell fear.

Oh, please. Don't just talk in circles around it. Bring it!

 

[fskimospy]

With all the preemptive rationalization going on...this memo must be really, really bad for Democrats. I smell fear.

This is the problem right here, you're so incredibly partisan that you're viewing this as a political party issue. If anyone's rationalizing here it's the guy trying to figure out a way that political partisans selectively declassifying information in order to undercut a criminal investigation into the executive branch is actually a good thing to do. This memo has nothing to do with the Democrats, it's about the FBI.

It's basically every current and former national security professional that has commented on the issue vs. the Republicans and you chose the Republicans. Thank you for so concisely embodying the rot at the center of the Republican Party and American conservatism in general. I hope some day you're able to get better because this sort of thinking is deeply sick.

 

[fskimospy]

You did indeed invent a conspiracy theory...and did so regarding imagined events before they even happened! Dishonest denial is dishonest denial.

Except of course my 'conspiracy theory' is simply factual information backed up by NPR. What I wonder about you sometimes is if you are aware that you're a liar or if you're so emotionally wrapped up in things that you can't see it and have somehow rationalized things to yourself. I guess this is what happens when people become so partisan that reality no longer matters. It's all about the political sports team.

Like I said, this is a deep, deep sickness in conservatism that you guys are going to have to confront one day. You've invented your own reality and it seems you can't escape from it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is the problem right here, you're so incredibly partisan that you're viewing this as a political party issue. If anyone's rationalizing here it's the guy trying to figure out a way that political partisans selectively declassifying information in order to undercut a criminal investigation into the executive branch is actually a good thing to do. This memo has nothing to do with the Democrats, it's about the FBI.

It's basically every current and former national security professional that has commented on the issue vs. the Republicans and you chose the Republicans. Thank you for so concisely embodying the rot at the center of the Republican Party and American conservatism in general. I hope some day you're able to get better because this sort of thinking is deeply sick.

So sue me...I like transparency. If there's horseshit going on with the FBI, I want to know about it.

 

[HomerJS]

I would like to make up my own mind after seeing both the Republican and Democrat memos as well as the various areas of disagreement. That said, I see that you've already seen more than enough to confirm your bias without actually seeing anything that might require some semblance of independent and objective thought. Nice job!

Bias my ass. This document has not gone through the redaction process, yet you want it released with classified information.

Your bias seems to be against protecting the national security of this country.

How about this, send both documents through the proper redaction process and then release them both together. How's that for non-bias??

 

[Jhhnn]

So sue me...I like transparency. If there's horseshit going on with the FBI, I want to know about it.

It's unlikely that you'll get that from Nunes. Quite the contrary given past performance.

 

[zinfamous]

With all the preemptive rationalization going on...this memo must be really, really bad for Democrats. I smell fear.

you're really bad at understanding the issue here. historically bad, even.

 

[zinfamous]

This is the problem right here, you're so incredibly partisan that you're viewing this as a political party issue. If anyone's rationalizing here it's the guy trying to figure out a way that political partisans selectively declassifying information in order to undercut a criminal investigation into the executive branch is actually a good thing to do. This memo has nothing to do with the Democrats, it's about the FBI.

It's basically every current and former national security professional that has commented on the issue vs. the Republicans and you chose the Republicans. Thank you for so concisely embodying the rot at the center of the Republican Party and American conservatism in general. I hope some day you're able to get better because this sort of thinking is deeply sick.

let's remember that those security and LE professionals are mostly republicans and/or worked under republican administrations. So...I mean, can they be biased here, or not? Apparently DSF thinks this is bad for democrats if all of the republican experts are calling out all of the republican amateurs for attempting to circumvent precedent and undermine a republican-lead investigation.

It is really confusing, to be honest. I'm astonished that DSF has managed so many layers of bubbles within this single issue.

 

[fskimospy]

Bias my ass. This document has not gone through the redaction process, yet you want it released with classified information.

Your bias seems to be against protecting the national security of this country.

How about this, send both documents through the proper redaction process and then release them both together. How's that for non-bias??

If anything is to be released at all that would certainly be the correct, non-biased, and good governance way to do it. In fact, I originally suggested this as an alternative to not releasing anything.

Shockingly enough, Republicans have shown no interest in this approach. This is because they are not actually interested in unbiased transparency, they value party over country.

 

[dank69]

let's remember that those security and LE professionals are mostly republicans and/or worked under republican administrations. So...I mean, can they be biased here, or not? Apparently DSF thinks this is bad for democrats if all of the republican experts are calling out all of the republican amateurs for attempting to circumvent precedent and undermine a republican-lead investigation.

It is really confusing, to be honest. I'm astonished that DSF has managed so many layers of bubbles within this single issue.

They can't be Republicans because Republicans would never investigate other Republicans. Therefore there must be leftist bias that must be rooted out.

 

[fskimospy]

They can't be Republicans because Republicans would never investigate other Republicans. Therefore there must be leftist bias that must be rooted out.

It is pretty comical that the federal agency that contributed more to Trump's election than any other is now somehow a nest of anti-Trump subversives. The people who are supposed to be secretly plotting to depose Trump are the same ones who presided over writing a letter to Congress that they knew would be leaked a week before the election telling them about reopening a criminal investigation over evidence that turned out to be nothing!

It's taken almost exactly one year for conservatives to convince themselves that THEY are the real victims of the FBI's machinations, not the person who had their presidential campaign torpedoed at the last minute. The crazy is... incredible.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Bias my ass. This document has not gone through the redaction process, yet you want it released with classified information.

Your bias seems to be against protecting the national security of this country.

How about this, send both documents through the proper redaction process and then release them both together. How's that for non-bias??

I want it released with classified information? You're a liar.

 

[HomerJS]

It's unlikely that you'll get that from Nunes. Quite the contrary given past performance.

He's already served up 2-3 helpings of bullshit that have been proven bogus yet people are still willing to believe this stooge

 

[HomerJS]

I want it released with classified information? You're a liar.

If they release what the WH has now it will contain classified information.

What's wrong with what I proposed??

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Funny how you keep ignoring substantive criticisms of the memo and your position on it, falsely claiming that people are inventing conspiracy theories, and then throwing out insults... all while complaining how rational discussion is hard here.

Be the change you want to see in the world, friend DSF. Be the change!

Interagency reviews are currently being conducted...and I've seen zero evidence that any of these agency reviews have been completed or that they indeed dispute the memo's conclusions. Nor have I seen any evidence that these allegedly disputed conclusions (that happened happened yet) are somehow being suppressed by the government. You're just making up shit now.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

If they release what the WH has now it will contain classified information.

What's wrong with what I proposed??

If the President wants to declassify it...that's his prerogative. I never advocated that classified information be released....you're a bald-face liar.

 

[IronWing]

Spoiler

Na na na, it's a secret secret

Spoiler

FBI___ ___ ______ _ __Clinton__ ____ ______ _ ___ Benghazi__ _ ____ NO COLLUSION

 

[brandonbull]

Spoiler

Na na na, it's a secret secret

Spoiler

FBI___ ___ ______ _ __Clinton__ ____ ______ _ ___ Benghazi__ _ ____ NO COLLUSION

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[fskimospy]

Interagency reviews are currently being conducted...and I've seen zero evidence that any of these agency reviews have been completed or that they indeed dispute the memo's conclusions.

Except of course the review by the FBI that says it has material omissions that distort the picture. I mean they put out a very public statement to that effect. If you believe the FBI is attempting to mislead the country can you explain why the two people responsible for the FBI's statement are Trump appointees? Did he mistakenly nominate two Deep State plants?

You've also ignored the fact that the author of the memo has been previously busted lying about this very same sort of thing.

Nor have I seen any evidence these allegedly disputed conclusions are being suppressed by the government. You're just making up shit now.

The House Intelligence Committee declined to pass on the rebuttal memo to the same process for eventual release, meaning the public can't see it. That is literally the definition of being suppressed by the government. You're just making shit up now.

I imagine your rebuttal will be that they said they might pass it on at some point in the future. That is 1) far from certain considering the levels of dishonesty and bad faith displayed by Republicans so far and 2) in many ways besides the point as their original, non-rebutted memo will shape the national conversation for days or weeks before the rebuttal memo comes out. As we all know from personal experience it is difficult or impossible to dislodge false ideas with the facts once they have set in.

There is only one plausible reason why the HCI would prep one for immediate release without the other and you know it. It's because they aren't interested in transparency, they are interested in undermining the FBI because it had the temerity to investigate Trump.