Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[IronWing]

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You cheering a hockey game?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Except of course the review by the FBI that says it has material omissions that distort the picture. I mean they put out a very public statement to that effect. If you believe the FBI is attempting to mislead the country can you explain why the two people responsible for the FBI's statement are Trump appointees? Did he mistakenly nominate two Deep State plants?

You've also ignored the fact that the author of the memo has been previously busted lying about this very same sort of thing.



The House Intelligence Committee declined to pass on the rebuttal memo to the same process for eventual release, meaning the public can't see it. That is literally the definition of being suppressed by the government. You're just making shit up now.

I imagine your rebuttal will be that they said they might pass it on at some point in the future. That is 1) far from certain considering the levels of dishonesty and bad faith displayed by Republicans so far and 2) in many ways besides the point as their original, non-rebutted memo will shape the national conversation for days or weeks before the rebuttal memo comes out. As we all know from personal experience it is difficult or impossible to dislodge false ideas with the facts once they have set in.

There is only one plausible reason why the HCI would prep one for immediate release without the other and you know it. It's because they aren't interested in transparency, they are interested in undermining the FBI because it had the temerity to investigate Trump.

Republicans joined with Democrats to unanimously support Schiff's release of his memo to the House (the exact same process used for the Nunes memo which all committee Democrats voted against). Now Schiff suddenly doesn't want to release his memo to the House after all. That said, your attempt to frame this as 'government suppression' is dishonest as hell. Perhaps Dianne Feinstein will release Schiff's memo for him (the next time she gets a cold).

 

[soundforbjt]

You cheering a hockey game?

The Winter Olympics ?

 

[HomerJS]

If the President wants to declassify it...that's his prerogative. I never advocated that classified information be released....you're a bald-face liar.

If you are in favor of immediate release then you by default are ok with it containing classified info.

You still haven't answered the question. What's wrong with taking time for the redaction process?

 

[HomerJS]

You cheering a hockey game?

He's still pissed the United States beat the Russians and the other USSR members in 1980

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans joined with Democrats to unanimously support Schiff's release of his memo to the House (the exact same process used for the Nunes memo which all committee Democrats voted against). Now Schiff suddenly doesn't want to release his memo to the House after all. That said, your attempt to frame this as 'government suppression' is dishonest as hell. Perhaps Dianne Feinstein will release Schiff's memo for him (the next time she gets a cold).

So in other words you yet again deliberately ignored the substantive arguments as to why that's not at all the same in my post, then attacked a straw man, then called me a liar. Stop dishonestly omitting people's statements because you can't answer them. You're an exceptionally dishonest person and you should be ashamed of yourself. Swallow your pride and your tribalism for once and admit this is an extremely dangerous attack on the fundamentals of republican governance.

The Republicans explicitly voted down an attempt to send Schiff's memo over to the White House at the same time as Nunes' so they could be released together. I already explained, and I'm sure you already know exactly why that is. I have also seen no indication whatsoever that Schiff has any problems releasing his memo. The only thing stopping him is congressional Republicans, ie: the government is suppressing dissenting information. Now there's nothing we can do about the unethical things congressional Republicans are currently doing but you can stop covering for them any time. They count on useful idiots like you to enable their corruption.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So in other words you yet again deliberately ignored the substantive arguments as to why that's not at all the same in my post, then attacked a straw man, then called me a liar. Stop dishonestly omitting people's statements because you can't answer them. You're an exceptionally dishonest person and you should be ashamed of yourself. Swallow your pride and your tribalism for once and admit this is an extremely dangerous attack on the fundamentals of republican governance.

The Republicans explicitly voted down an attempt to send Schiff's memo over to the White House at the same time as Nunes' so they could be released together. I already explained, and I'm sure you already know exactly why that is. I have also seen no indication whatsoever that Schiff has any problems releasing his memo. The only thing stopping him is congressional Republicans. Now there's nothing we can do about the unethical things congressional Republicans are currently doing but you can stop covering for them any time. They count on useful idiots like you to enable their corruption.

Schiff elected not to go through the exact same process that the Nunes memo was subjected to. That was his choice...it wasn't "government suppression" ffs...and it's dishonest as hell for you to frame it as such.

 

[Chromagnus]

Schiff elected not to go through the exact same process that the Nunes memo was subjected to. That was his choice...it wasn't "government suppression" ffs...and it's dishonest as hell for you to frame it as such.

Source? I haven't seen anything that said Schiff isn't allowing his memo to go through the process.

 

[fskimospy]

Schiff elected not to go through the exact same process that the Nunes memo was subjected to. That was his choice...it wasn't "government suppression" ffs...and it's dishonest as hell for you to frame it as such.

Citation please.

 

[Jhhnn]

Republicans joined with Democrats to unanimously support Schiff's release of his memo to the House (the exact same process used for the Nunes memo which all committee Democrats voted against). Now Schiff suddenly doesn't want to release his memo to the House after all. That said, your attempt to frame this as 'government suppression' is dishonest as hell. Perhaps Dianne Feinstein will release Schiff's memo for him (the next time she gets a cold).

Schiff want simultaneous release of both memos. The GOP wants their bullshit to gain footing before anybody counters it & refuse actual FBI testimony.

It's a real stinky steamer but you lost your sense of smell long ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/house-intelligence-committee-devin-nunes-memo/index.html

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Source? I haven't seen anything that said Schiff isn't allowing his memo to go through the process.

The committee voted unanimously to allow Schiff's memo to proceed with House review...the first step of the process. Schiff is the one who is actually suppressing his own memo by not following through with the same process the Nunes memo went through...even through he has full bipartisan approval to proceed from the committee.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/house-intelligence-committee-devin-nunes-memo/index.html
"The committee did vote to allow Schiff's memo to be viewed by all House members, the same step that was taken with the Nunes memo earlier this month."

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Schiff want simultaneous release of both memos. The GOP wants their bullshit to gain footing before anybody counters it & refuse actual FBI testimony.

It's a real stinky steamer but you lost your sense of smell long ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/house-intelligence-committee-devin-nunes-memo/index.html

Well too fn bad he didn't get his way. Now he pouts and takes no action to make it ever happen despite having full committee approval to begin the process. Wah!

 

[Chromagnus]

The committee voted unanimously to allow Schiff's memo to proceed with House review...the first step of the process. Schiff is the one who is actually suppressing his own memo by not following through with the same process the Nunes memo went through...even through he has full bipartisan approval to proceed from the committee.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/house-intelligence-committee-devin-nunes-memo/index.html
"The committee did vote to allow Schiff's memo to be viewed by all House members, the same step that was taken with the Nunes memo earlier this month."

Where does this say that Schiff is suppressing his memo and not following through? This says that the process is going to take some time to release his memo but it never states anything about Schiff not proceeding with that process.

 

[fskimospy]

The committee voted unanimously to allow Schiff's memo to proceed with House review...the first step of the process. Schiff is the one who is actually suppressing his own memo by not following through with the same process the Nunes memo went through...even through he has full bipartisan approval of the committee.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/house-intelligence-committee-devin-nunes-memo/index.html
"The committee did vote to allow Schiff's memo to be viewed by all House members, the same step that was taken with the Nunes memo earlier this month."

'The first step of the process'. lol. There is no 'first step of the process'.

Just want to make sure we all understand exactly what you're trying to argue here. You're saying Schiff is 'suppressing his own memo' by not following the same process that the Republicans did with their memo, despite that not actually being a requirement for releasing it to the White House? You're justifying Republicans suppressing the release of Schiff's memo by complaining that he didn't follow a 'process' they just made up out of thin air.

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Where does this say that Schiff is suppressing his memo and not following through? This says that the process is going to take some time to release his memo but it never states anything about Schiff not proceeding with that process.

He has approval to share his memo with the House and has taken zero action so far to do so.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

'The first step of the process'. lol. There is no 'first step of the process'.

Just want to make sure we all understand exactly what you're trying to argue here. You're saying Schiff is 'suppressing his own memo' by not following the same process that the Republicans did with their memo, despite that not actually being a requirement for releasing it to the White House? You're justifying Republicans suppressing the release of Schiff's memo by complaining that he didn't follow a 'process' they just made up out of thin air.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yeah...asking him to follow the same process used with the Nune's memo is incredibly unreasonable! Those bastards!

 

[Chromagnus]

He has approval to share his memo with the House and has taken zero action so far to do so.

The article you posted was from yesterday so unless you have something saying he isn't going to follow through on this, it might be a little early to say he is "suppressing" his own memo.

 

[Jhhnn]

He has approval to share his memo with the House and has taken zero action so far to do so.

Thaat's not the point. You already knew that, of course.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well too fn bad he didn't get his way. Now he pouts and takes no action to make it ever happen despite having full committee approval to begin the process. Wah!

So it's not about transparency at all but rather about tearing down the FBI for partisan purposes.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah...asking him to follow the same process used with the Nune's memo is incredibly unreasonable! Those bastards!

How was that the 'process' Nunes used to send it to the White House for public release? The two things had literally zero to do with one another. There is no 'process' for this and there is no requirement that it be released to the full house at all, and certainly not for some random number of days. These are all things Republicans invented and they could have sent Schiff's memo over on Monday had they wanted to. They explicitly chose to block it on an entirely partisan basis.

So again, please try and explain to us why Republicans inventing requirements for Schiff's memo is somehow Schiff suppressing his own work. It's a transparent lie and you know it. The fact that you're trying to run cover for such an embarrassingly obvious lie shows you also have no interest in good or responsible governance. You're just emotionally cheering on your political sports team without thinking of the long term damage you're doing to the country.

Again you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[fskimospy]

Schiff had a statement on this and I would love one conservative minded person to take a look at the series of votes that were taken and tell me this is anything other than a reckless, dishonest, unethical attempt to undermine federal law enforcement in order to protect the president from being investigated for criminal activity:

I made a couple motions this afternoon, or this evening. First, we scheduled a hearing today, or the business meeting, so that the minority memoranda could be made available to the members of the House that have been misled by the majority's memoranda. We expected that vote to be noncontroversial, and it was. The House members will have access to the minority memoranda.

I made a secondary motion that prior to the public release of either memoranda, that the FBI and the Department of Justice have the opportunity to come and brief the entire house in a classified session, on both memoranda, on the underlying facts and the underlying materials so that the committee could make a responsible judgment as to whether the memoranda should be made public. That motion was voted down by the majority. The majority expressed a concern that something in the minority memoranda or otherwise could compromise sources and methods. And for exactly that reason we asked that both memoranda be vetted by the FBI and the Department of Justice, but that was voted down.

I spoke with the director of the FBI earlier this afternoon. He expressed his strong interest in being able to brief our committee prior to any release of these materials, about concerns that the bureau and the department have. I relayed that interest by the director of the FBI, an appointee of President Trump, to this committee, but that was unavailing; they were not willing to meet with the director of the FBI to hear the bureau's concerns or department's concerns. Instead, they voted against allowing their own members, as well as the members of the broader House of Representatives be briefed by the Department of Justice and the FBI on these memoranda.

Finally, I moved that if the majority were going to release their memoranda publicly, that they release the minority views as well, that they be released jointly. And the majority on a party-line basis voted against both memoranda being released to the public.

They then took up their own memoranda and voted it out to make public. We had a separate vote on the minority memoranda, and the majority voted against allowing the public to see the minority memoranda. The "released the memo crowd" apparently doesn't want to release the memo now. The most they would do is say that at some indeterminate point, a week or so from now, they would consider whether to release the minority memo.

We raised, of course, the transparently political objective behind this, which is to allow the majority to set a certain narrative for a week or so before they release a full statement of the facts from the minority.

https://democrats-intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=342

Anyone who is trying to run cover for the Republicans on this is either dangerously stupid or cravenly dishonest. This is a bad thing and we all know it. Some people like DSF may lack the principles and ethical backbone to stand up for what's right but I would hope at least a few of the conservative members here would be better people.

 

[Chromagnus]

Schiff had a statement on this...

That's blatant suppression if I've ever seen it.

 

[fskimospy]

Hey guys don't worry about it though, I'm sure this memo isn't filled with half truths, purposeful omissions, cherry picked facts, or misrepresentations of what happened. We all know that congressional Republicans would never do that.

After all, remember when those text messages showed that Peter Strzok was an anti-Trump partisan who was trying to overturn Trump's victory by any means necessary? It turns out he was the co-author of the report that torpedoed Clinton's candidacy.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/strzok-fbi-comey-clinton-letter/index.html

I remember DSF ranting about how totally unethical that guy was and how he was so biased that he couldn't be trusted. Oops.

 

[Moonbeam]

The coming IG report will no doubt be part of that Trump smoke screen as well.

My worry is that you will soon discover the deep state got to them too.

 

[Amused]

Outside of the right-wing cult echo chamber this is now universally known as "The Nunes memo."

And that alone says everything anyone needs to know. May as well call it "The Alex Jones memo."

This shit was over before it began. Nice show, but too bad it will play only to the base. It will carry absolutely no true evidentiary value nor will it sway the midterms. If anything, the backlash from this will show in the midterms. It is nothing more than a vain attempt at propaganda masquerading as "scandal."