Recent poll confirms that the vast majority of anti-vaxxers are now right-wing/Trump supporters.

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trenchfoot

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It seems for many Repub loyalists, partisan politics override common sense and consideration for others to the point of their being more than willing to infect others with this disease and even die "for the cause" should it come down to it.

It seems their logic being that if they get vaccinated they are being disloyal to Trump and simultaneously not wanting to make Biden look good by increasing the number of vaccinations that he is urging everyone to take.

Yet like Trump, methinks many of them talk of their freedoms being violated yet are being vaccinated without admitting it to you know, sing in harmony with the party faithful.

What a complete farce it is defying common sense and the deaths and sorrow it brings by being that way just so those Trump loyalists can say they did their part toward "Making America Great Again" without further saying that they are only concerned with making America great for themselves and to hell with every other American that will not submit to the Trump mind meld they went through to be that way.

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Muse

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Pool?

But considering we are talking about the cess pool of trump supporters, perhaps that is the correct term.
Polish?

Russian?

I would have predicted this. People who can put 2 and 2 together, who can and do avail themselves of unbiased information and make sense out of it, who can separate the wheat from the chaff, do so in general, not just in one sphere of their lives.
 

TheVrolok

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My curiosity doesn't run that deep.
lol, I had initially written something about my recollection that you had very little intellectual curiosity but I deleted it because I thought it too snarky. Apparently, I gave you too much credit. Won't make that mistake again. Typical low information wanker, blissful in your ignorance.
 

cytg111

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all the vaccines are still only approved for emegancy use. i know multiple people who are waiting for the vaccines to get final approval and not just emergency use. their reasoning is that as time goes on, side effects of the vaccines are becoming known. they weigh the side effects vs death rate from the virus. i wouldnt call them anti-vaxers, i would classify them as anti-unapproved for regular use vaxers, of vaccines that we are still finding out side-effects of.

am i vaccinated? thats a personal medical question. do you have an STD? do you have hepatitis C? Do you do anal? many countries require it for travel, i like to travel and do travel internationally. I believe in HIPA. I will never ask anyone if they are vaccinated against anything (except if they step on a nail i will ask them when their last tetnus was).
You hear that siren? This is not a drill. Next wave may be delta2. But by all means, take the elevator, stay in your seats, fuck this drill, go to the shitter and wait for everyone to come back.

"...death rate for covid-19 is .1% maybe, some of those anti-vaxxers are making descisions on to get it or not to get it based on side effects, like blood clots, like neurological problems as opposed to the .1% chance at death. "

First off, death rate is highly depended on your age socioeconomic state etc. If you are the kind of person that buys into the conspiracies i'd bet that your odds are way worse than that.
Secondly, have you seen the side effects of covid-19 EVEN if you just shrug it off like it was nothing? That was when my thinking went from "I am taking this vaccine for them other people" to "hell I am taking this vaccine FOR ME".
You seen about the limb dick side effect, right?
 
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cytg111

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My curiosity doesn't run that deep.
You know, I think thats fair. When presented with the facts I’ve seen you turn around plenty of times. Diving through article after article after article is not for everyone.
 

Muse

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Polls reveal that the Trump base are the equivalent of cockroaches.
I was recommended to call a plumber by my recently retired plumber friend. He did tell me that the guy watches Fox News, also that he was going to be cheaper than ______. I said "how smart can he be if he watches Fox News?" He agreed. I did NOT call that guy. I rid my house of cockroaches many years ago, don't need any, don't want any.

It was a tricky plumbing problem. The guy who fixed it was good, the problem's fixed. Who knows what would have happened if I called that guy? Sometimes you have to take the safe route.
 
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Polls reveal that the Trump base are the equivalent of cockroaches.
Like doesn't it upset the loyal orange monkey base that we hold them in such low regard? And the projection they use in their arguments, like how blind are you?
 

Greenman

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lol, I had initially written something about my recollection that you had very little intellectual curiosity but I deleted it because I thought it too snarky. Apparently, I gave you too much credit. Won't make that mistake again. Typical low information wanker, blissful in your ignorance.
And this critical information is helping you how? What's it going to do for you specifically?
The point of it, much like a great deal of P&N, is to help ineffectual people feel better about themselves. To make themselves feel like they're part of the winning team. Positive affirmation handed out like awards at a kindergarten track meet.
I'm not part of the "please like me" crowd, nor do I need to demean others to feel empowered. Concepts that clearly escape you.
 
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I was recommended to call a plumber by my recently retired plumber friend. He did tell me that the guy watches Fox News, also that he was going to be cheaper than ______. I said "how smart can he be if he watches Fox News?" He agreed. I did NOT call that guy. I rid my house of cockroaches many years ago, don't need any, don't want any.

It was a tricky plumbing problem. The guy who fixed it was good, the problem's fixed. Who knows what would have happened if I called that guy? Sometimes you have to take the safe route.
As I recall the story, you also paid through the nose because the fellow, in your words, "had you over a barrel".
Political purity is a poor standard to use when hiring a tradesmen.
 

pmv

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fact: there are more deaths attributed to smoking than all of covid-19. how many children, who dont have a choice, have gotten asthma because their parents smoke around them? death rate for covid-19 is .1% maybe, some of those anti-vaxxers are making descisions on to get it or not to get it based on side effects, like blood clots, like neurological problems as opposed to the .1% chance at death.

Over what time period does this 'fact' apply? (Also, what is it with conservatives and going on and on about smoking? Apparently we can't do anything about either gun deaths or COVID until smoking is eradicated, it seems to be your all-purpose excuse for not doing anything about anything...and yet conservatives are the first to complain about all measures to reduce smoking...it's almost as if it's a bad faith argument).

What's your source for making such a definitive statement about the CFR for COVID19?

0.1% is a suspiciously low estimate, from what I've seen the Case Fatality Rate rate for COVID19 seems to be closer to 2%, but it's too early for anyone to say for sure.
(This paper came up with a figure of 2-3%)



everyone complaining about people not getting vaccinated against covid, do you know how many other vaccines are out there that you can get? there is a rabies vaccine, even if you live in a city, where rats and other animals can get rabies, a person can get vaccinated against it. smallpox, plaque (yes there is still a vaccine for it, its a three series vaccine, it is still out there in parts of the world, and as seen with how fast a virus can spread like covid has, its possible), of course there is anthrax too. I highly doubt everyone complaining about people not getting the covid vaccine hasnt gotten any of these vaccines mentioned. wait let me give you an excuse "they arent that deadly, they arent that wide spread, i choose not to get them, risk isnt that high" same excuses we all hear from the covid anti-vaxxers. i know, i know, its TOTALLY different right?

Rabies is not present in my country - one of the benefits of being an island. Smallpox was declared eradicated by the WHO 40 years ago, apart from a few samples kept in labs (let's hope they have better security than that Wuhan one, eh?).
 

Stokely

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I don't know many anti-vaxxers, though my circle of knowledge of people has shrunk a LOT since quitting friendface.

Of these, most are indeed right-wingers, a coworker being full-on Q-Anon lunacy complete with Bill Gates wanting to kill us. How he functions as a data engineer is beyond me, I guess when you pick and choose your facts it all makes sense internally.

A couple others though are non-political, they've had medical issues previously (cancer) and are now scared for no solid reason that the vaccines might be "trouble down the road". Not much you can say to such people, there's no evidence to suggest this might happen but there's also nothing anyone can guarantee. They could get cancer a couple years from now and then "a-ha! I knew it was the vaccine!" and nobody can say otherwise with a lot of cancers (I myself had a form that has no known cause, it's just a cell mutation.)

It's sad to watch social media and other forms of fake news help people to form their own realities, where science and facts are "flexible". Too much cable news watching has conditioned people with this "on the left...on the right" crap to think there are two sides to everything. No, there often is not. There is however context and history, and fact-finding beyond watching some polished vid on youtube that has one goal: to make money from people watching it.
 

TheVrolok

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And this critical information is helping you how? What's it going to do for you specifically?
The point of it, much like a great deal of P&N, is to help ineffectual people feel better about themselves. To make themselves feel like they're part of the winning team. Positive affirmation handed out like awards at a kindergarten track meet.
I'm not part of the "please like me" crowd, nor do I need to demean others to feel empowered. Concepts that clearly escape you.

lol, your post suggests quite the opposite. You're on a discussion forum and continue to make "points" followed by open admissions that you don't actually know anything about the subject matter, worse yet, you posses no intellectual curiosity. Your posts are the literal definition of ineffectual. What's it going to do for me? Remind me that you don't post in any sense of good faith, and, after this post, responding to yours will be a simple waste of time given the aforementioned.
 
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As another thread points out, Anti-Vax is now an official part of the Republican Platform:



It was only a matter of time until Donald Trump converted the debate over covid-19 vaccines into an occasion for his supporters to show their loyalty to him — and even worse, to the “big lie” that his 2020 loss was illegitimate.

“People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration,” the former president said in a statement Sunday, referring to President Biden. “They don’t trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News.”

There you have it: Trump is telling his supporters that they are correct not to trust the federal government on vaccines, because this sentiment should flow naturally from their suspicion that the election was stolen from him. Expressing the former has been magically transformed into a way to show fealty to the latter.


This suggests the anti-vaccine mania on the right may only get worse, at exactly the moment that we need it to get better. This vile new Trump claim hints at how this is likely to happen, with the complicity of even relatively responsible Republicans.

We’re seeing a new surge in coronavirus cases due to the delta variant and the lag in vaccinations, with new cases overwhelmingly concentrated among the unvaccinated. Both trends — surging cases and lagging vaccinations — are unfolding primarily in red states.

It’s bad enough that Trump has now recast the question of whether to trust the federal government on vaccines as a proxy for whether the election was stolen from him. What makes this worse is that other Republicans are playing a version of this game.

Consider Sen. Bill Cassidy’s appearance on “Fox News Sunday.” Asked about his state’s woeful vaccination rate, the Louisiana Republican declared that Americans “don’t trust government” on vaccines because of the “partisan comments coming out of the White House regarding the next Jim Crow laws.”

“He’s depicting himself as an uber partisan,” Cassidy continued of Biden, as if this is supposed to explain red-state distrust of the administration on vaccines.

This has attracted plenty of ridicule, but the truly pernicious nature of it has gone under-appreciated. Cassidy, to be clear, is urging people to get vaccinated, which is good. But he is not telling red-state Americans that they should trust the federal government when it comes to vaccines, i.e., that they have eminently reasonable grounds to trust it.

Instead, Cassidy recasts this distrust of the feds on the vaccine as a way to register anger at Democrats for calling out GOP efforts to restrict voting that are targeted at African Americans. That’s a version of Trump’s game, minus the explicit endorsement of the “big lie.”

There is also a vaguely extortive quality to this: If you want us to help you vaccinate our own populations, you’d better stop calling out our voter suppression efforts for what they are.

Republican and right-wing efforts to encourage vaccine “skepticism” among GOP voters are unfolding on a spectrum. At the extreme end, GOP members of Congress rail at “needle Nazis” and suggest federal vaccine outreach is a slippery slope to confiscation of guns and Bibles.

Meanwhile, as Eric Boehlert notes, Fox News is spreading so much vaccine disinformation that it’s hard to see this as anything but deliberate sabotage of our covid response. And Matt Gertz details a whole constellation of other right-wing media outlets doing the same.

Yet top Republicans are doing little to discourage all this. As the New York Times puts it, these efforts have “elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations” with “very little resistance from party leaders.”

As my Post colleague James Downie puts it, this passivity from GOP leaders leads inevitably to the conclusion that at best, “they see this toll as acceptable.”

It’s in this context that we should understand the ugly new line from Trump and Cassidy. Cassidy is saying, in effect: Trusting the feds on vaccines is tantamount to endorsing Democrats’ claims that GOP voting restrictions are racist.

Trump is making this worse: Trusting the feds on vaccines is tantamount to endorsing the idea that I legitimately lost the election. How long until aspiring GOP primary candidates start running with their own versions of this nonsense?

This linkage is telling in another sense. Again and again, Republicans could have taken what Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg calls “off ramps” from ongoing GOP radicalization.
Republicans fed Trump’s lie about the outcome for many weeks after the election. They responded to their 2020 losses with an unprecedented wave of voter suppression and anti-majoritarian tactics. They’ve drifted away from condemning Trump’s role in the insurrection and are now actively downplaying the violence itself and even rewriting its history. They’ve refused to support a serious Jan. 6 accounting.

Now they’re either largely tolerating or actively encouraging deepening vaccine derangement among their own voters. Given that Trump has now entangled this with the GOP’s turn away from democracy, how many Republicans do you think will step up to condemn it?
 
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Yeah, those damn Republica--- oh wait....

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You might not remember if you were deep into your nightly keg of 13% ABV beer, but you already posted this and got wrecked when it was clear you’d been taken by misleading quoting.

Anyway if Republicans want to kill around 1% of their voters, who am I to complain? My state is 80+% vaccinated and I feel very safe going anywhere local without a mask. I also have a lot of trust in the medical community to quickly come up with updated vaccines that will work against new variants that will undoubtedly develop within the low information population.
 

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Yeah, those damn Republica--- oh wait....

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Do you ever get tired of making yourself look so pathetically stupid with out of context headlines?

I mean, seriously. At this point it is so obviously masochism.

We'll add this one to your greatest hits of mind numbingly stupid self ownage:

 
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