Rand Paul wins KY Senate primary

[her209]

Stopping Obama is all we care about right now. We can stop his damage and willful destruction of this great nation. I've never seen people so excited to vote. All over the office people were making sure to ask everybody if they voted, making sure family and friends got out and voted and all the enthusiasm of "We're going to stop Obama, we have to stop him, NOW!".

People are no longer going to sit on the sidelines. And recent elections have shown that. The sleeping giant is wide fucking awake.

But you'll just continue to ignore all the elections where we've rejected what Obama is doing.

It can't be that bad.

http://kentuckyatwork.ky.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Kentucky At Work is the Commonwealth’s implementation of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), signed into law by President Barack Obama and estimated to bring $3 billion in stimulus funding from the federal government to be invested in Kentucky over the next 28 months. ARRA will provide a much-needed, one-time infusion of dollars that will allow us to maintain our jobs and quality of life through investments in education, health care and public safety; and to make strategic investments now to position Kentucky for the future.

 

[BoberFett]

Where the fuck were you when the "REAL fiscal conservatives" tried to stop the Bush/Cheney agenda?

I'm going go with "Mocking Rand Paul's crazy old dad."

 

[bamacre]

It's hard to think of the teabaggers as anything other than a very angry anti-obama movement.

I think you need to consider that "tea partiers" are a diverse group of people, with some very significant differences of opinion on a number of issues. Sure there are some in that movement that are there to just bash Democrats and Obama. But others are showing their dissent for "the establishment," which would include both Republicans and Democrats. Bottom line is you can't paint this group with a broad brush.

 

[BoberFett]

Where a virgin is a 12 year old girl who can outrun her brother.

:wub:

 

[shadow9d9]

The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”

And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html?ref=politics

I think you need to consider that "tea partiers" are a diverse group of people, with some very significant differences of opinion on a number of issues. Sure there are some in that movement that are there to just bash Democrats and Obama. But others are showing their dissent for "the establishment," which would include both Republicans and Democrats. Bottom line is you can't paint this group with a broad brush.

Except, reality shows the opposite.

The fact that there are a ton of racist signs...

http://evilslutopia.com/2009/04/tea-party-protest-signs-bad-worse-ugly.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html(first picture)

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/04/racist_signs_at_tea_parties.php

http://www.philly2philly.com/politi...21/43497/tea_party_has_become_movement_racism

http://www.examiner.com/x-5890-Obam...white-supremacy-groups-and-tea-party-movement

The fact that Dale Robertson, President and Founder of the Tea Party – TeaParty.org is racist.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/anal...-racist-tea-party-sign-forged-we-believe-not/

The fact that a huge portion of the teabaggers think Obama is Kenyan...

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/04/the-rotting-racist-underbelly-of-the-tea-party-protests/


White Supremacists supporting the teabaggers and being accepted:

http://www.groundreport.com/Business/Tea-Party-Racism/2921697
there are several extremist groups that have hooked up and joined forces with the Tea Party Movement. As I have pointed out in the past, these groups include nativists, white supremacists, and Patriot militias. Throughout the last year, many of the these groups have tabled at T.P. rallies and have been openly embraced. While it is also true that there have also been a few T.P. groups have rejected some of the most extreme white supremacists groups. (Especially the overt neo-Nazi and skinheads.) However, one such example of a white supremacists group that has been accepted by many T.P. members -and rejected by a few - is the Council of Conservative Citizens. According to the Anti-Defamation League; The CofCC, "Advances its ideology by inflaming fears and resentments, among Southern whites particularly, with regard to black-on-white crime, non-white immigration,... Although the group claims not to be racist, its leaders traffic with other white supremacist groups and its publications, Web sites and meetings all promote the purportedly innate superiority of whites."

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/CCC...ubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=3&item=ccc

White supremacists get easy recruitment- http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm

"Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona." [emphasis in original]

A May blog post revealed that White Revolution members will attend local Tea Party protests and distribute leaflets and flyers. Their goal will be to "educate, activate, and recruit." The blog post encouraged readers to "plan to attend one to do your part for our race and nation!" "


More White supremacist links, including leaders-
http://www.examiner.com/x-5890-Obam...white-supremacy-groups-and-tea-party-movement




And you could add this to the derangement-

"A majority of Republicans and Southerners either believe President Obama wasn't born in the United States, or aren't sure..."

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/175133.asp

According to the Harris poll, conducted of 2,320 adults between March 1 and March 8, a majority of Republicans believe Obama is a socialist (67 percent), wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (61 percent), is Muslim (57 percent), wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government (51 percent), and that he has done many things that are unconstitutional (51 percent). Large minorities also believe Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore ineligible for the presidency (45 percent), is a racist (42 percent), and is doing many things Adolf Hitler did (38 percent).
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003250048

 

[Turin39789]

the numbers of votes in total on the dem side was a bunch higher than the total of all rep votes... methinks that jr may have a tough battle on his hands...

Want to bet?

uhh. Sure? How bout a $50?


http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/KY/15261/25616/en/summary.html

REP - 351,927
DEM - 520,412

 

[MotF Bane]

All/most conservatives didn't like Bush's spending. But you can't even compare Bush deficits to Obama's. Not anywhere close.

That's not an answer. That's an evasion.

 

[bamacre]

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Stop looking at pictures and look at data...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35988.html

On one hand, you have a social conservative, pro-war hawk, and on the other an anti-war social liberal.

Like I said, there's some general agreement among this group, but if you want to look at a few protest signs and paint this group with a broad brush and ignore their diversity, that's your own problem. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ayabe]

That's not an answer. That's an evasion.

That's all he's got, he won't even sack-up and acknowledge that if Obama never existed, spending would still be where it is out of necessity. It's the same time shit over and over again.

He and the others on this forum have permanently closed their minds and now only seek to return to a time and place that never existed.

 

[ayabe]

Stop looking at pictures and look at data...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35988.html

On one hand, you have a social conservative, pro-war hawk, and on the other an anti-war social liberal.

Like I said, there's some general agreement among this group, but if you want to look at a few protest signs and paint this group with a broad brush and ignore their diversity, that's your own problem. Ignorance is bliss.

What isn't in dispute is their lack of ideas, no solutions, only useless shrieking at phantoms.

 

[umbrella39]

Good luck getting an answer.

LMAO no shit, this has been asked of him and those spouting the same bullshit he spouts and you NEVER get an answer. Just crickets. Agendas evidently can't lie that well.

 

[umbrella39]

All/most conservatives didn't like Bush's spending. But you can't even compare Bush deficits to Obama's. Not anywhere close.

Indeed, there are not 1000(00)s of deaths associated with Obama's spending.

 

[Lemon law]

To a certain extent, if anyone is looking for the T paper, wait I mean the tea party crowd to get over their identity crisis and elect Ron Paul, I very much suspect there are not enough people in the Tea Party in KY to get the job done.

The dems will still campaign as dems, but Rand Paul better campaign as pie in the sky all things to all people or he may be doomed.

 

[nick1985]

uhh. Sure? How bout a $50?


http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/KY/15261/25616/en/summary.html

REP - 351,927
DEM - 520,412

$50 that Rand Paul wins the senate race. You are on. Paypal good for you?

 

[spidey07]

$50 that Rand Paul wins the senate race. You are on.

Turin getting teabagged! I love it. Teabag him some more! I can cancel out his vote so gimme a cut.

 

[Turin39789]

$50 that Rand Paul wins the senate race. You are on. Paypal good for you?

Done.

But you were still talking looney/dishonest when you tried to imply that the dems didn't outnumber the reps in the primary.

 

[theeedude]

I almost want these small government idiots to take over congress. Shrinking government in time of recession will lead to deflation, just when I want to buy a house, so could save me some good money

 

[woolfe9999]

I think you need to consider that "tea partiers" are a diverse group of people, with some very significant differences of opinion on a number of issues. Sure there are some in that movement that are there to just bash Democrats and Obama. But others are showing their dissent for "the establishment," which would include both Republicans and Democrats. Bottom line is you can't paint this group with a broad brush.

You can't paint any political group with a broad brush. The dems in particular are a diverse party consisting of some liberals, some union supporters who are otherwise not liberal, and some minorities who are socially conservative. Their base consists of union members, low income minorities, and highly paid urban professionals.

The tea party is a diverse group, but on the whole, polling shows that it is basically a very conservative group. I can see the tea party as being perhaps more diverse thant he republicaion party, but not more so, and probably less, than the democrats as a party.

Saying a group is diverse doesn't really mean a lot, because every group is diverse. The real question is HOW diverse.

- wolf

 

[nick1985]

Done.

But you were still talking looney/dishonest when you tried to imply that the dems didn't outnumber the reps in the primary.

I never said that. I cant wait to get your $50 though

 

[blackangst1]

That's all he's got, he won't even sack-up and acknowledge that if Obama never existed, spending would still be where it is out of necessity. It's the same time shit over and over again.

He and the others on this forum have permanently closed their minds and now only seek to return to a time and place that never existed.

But, Obama DOES exist, so your point is moot. You know, the same can be said of liberals: where are you NOW that Obama is continuing, and strengthening, many policies you (not you personally, you as in liberals) were raging about when Bush was in office? Why havent the Harvey types changed their macros?

 

[Turin39789]

I never said that. I cant wait to get your $50 though

gotcha, just reread the other post and see the ambiguety. I assumed you were challenging the first half of the post. My bad.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

All/most conservatives didn't like Bush's spending. But you can't even compare Bush deficits to Obama's. Not anywhere close.

Ah, it's OK to run a huge deficit (AKA Bush), but not OK to run a really huge deficit (Obama).

That makes a lot of sense

 

[nick1985]

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[Turin39789]

Turin getting teabagged! I love it. Teabag him some more! I can cancel out his vote so gimme a cut.

I'm a coffee drinking American. Keep trying to sabotage the country with your short-sighted rhetoric.

 

[woolfe9999]

That's all he's got, he won't even sack-up and acknowledge that if Obama never existed, spending would still be where it is out of necessity. It's the same time shit over and over again.

Most of the increase in spending has been mandatory (non-discretionary) spending which increased automatically as a result of the recession. The primary deficit increasing policy that is attributable to Obama is the stimulus bill, and the republicans wanted to do the same thing, just with all tax cuts instead of a mixed package of spending and cuts. So yeah, with a republican in office, any republican, there is zero reason to believe that the deficit situation would be any different.

- wolf