Raids target Christian militia in Midwest

[sandorski]

Considering that these people have not yet been convicted, perhaps you could extend to them the same presumption of innocence that the left insists be accorded to those terrorists captured on the battleground?

One thing's for sure, whomever defends these folks, win or lose, won't be working for the White House. "Unpopular clients" /= clients unpopular with progressives.

1) Yes, I'm sure they'll get a Lawful proceeding. Rather than being shipped away somewhere with no Charges and/or day in Court

2) Did I miss something?

 

[werepossum]

1) Yes, I'm sure they'll get a Lawful proceeding. Rather than being shipped away somewhere with no Charges and/or day in Court

2) Did I miss something?

Nope - although Obama might be tempted to declare these folks as combatants who are not typically given trials - unless they are trying to kill Americans and the left gains power. (Or they are accused of war crimes.)

 

[kage69]

Considering that these people have not yet been convicted, perhaps you could extend to them the same presumption of innocence that the left insists be accorded to those terrorists captured on the battleground?

Convicted of any crime, true, but I didn't proclaim them to be guilty. There doesn't seem to be much argument over what their aims and means were though, which is why I used the word "wanting."

Wouldn't know about the left and the battlefield detainees myself, I've been concerned over the trials maintaining a sense of legitimacy that supports our rhetoric. Truth be told I'm skeptical of the intentions of heavily armed religious nutbags, regardless of what continent they live on.

 

[kage69]

Nope - although Obama might be tempted to declare these folks as combatants who are not typically given trials - unless they are trying to kill Americans and the left gains power. (Or they are accused of war crimes.)

1. Detroit is within America's borders.
2. The suspects are American citizens.

Certain executive wartime rulings aside, the above makes this a little different than some AK toting Pashtun captured in Tora Bora.

 

[Lanyap]

Weee.. I never said terrorism isn't apart of the muslim religion. Nice strawman though. I was just nitpicking JEDI saying that "Christians" have never done the very same thing in the name of their religion.

I wasn't even about to go into other things done in the many names of religions.

Strawman back at you. Where did JEDI say that "Christians" have never done the very same thing in the name of their religion? Maybe I overlooked it.

If the number of terrorists using the islam religion as their cause were the same as the christian religion we would never be having this conversation.

 

[Lanyap]

This was interesting. WMDs?

It includes charges of seditious conspiracy, possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, teaching the use of explosives, and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction — homemade bombs.

 

[HumblePie]

Strawman back at you. Where did JEDI say that "Christians" have never done the very same thing in the name of their religion? Maybe I overlooked it.

If the number of terrorists using the islam religion as their cause were the same as the christian religion we would never be having this conversation.

Did you even READ the passage of JEDIyoda I quoted? Are you really asking this stupid a question without looking up the answer first? Seriously, do us all a favor and click the back button on your browser once.

 

[woolfe9999]

This was interesting. WMDs?

There federal definition of "WMD" is not the definition of common parlance. It is much broader.

- wolf

 

[heyheybooboo]

There federal definition of "WMD" is not the definition of common parlance. It is much broader.

- wolf

This.

It's more of a 'legal' definition that covers everything from pipe bombs to Molotov cocktails to even shotguns.

I can defend my property with my Mossberg pump (with pistol grip, factory short barrel and plug removed) but if I take it off my land (without restoring the plug) it is considered a WMD.





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[alien42]

it is amazing that there are so many people who instead of condemning these sick radical extremists, actually attack others in their name.

disgusting.

 

[Lanyap]

Did you even READ the passage of JEDIyoda I quoted? Are you really asking this stupid a question without looking up the answer first? Seriously, do us all a favor and click the back button on your browser once.

Please enlighten me. He talked about Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up. I looked at your wiki link and did not find anything about children except for this entry and it's an accusation about a wack group of thugs that say they are christian among other things..

"The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
The group adheres to a syncretistic[4] blend of Christianity, Mysticism,[5] traditional religion,[6] and witchcraft,[7] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition

 

[HumblePie]

Please enlighten me. He talked about Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up. I looked at your wiki link and did not find anything about children except for this entry and it's an accusation about a wack group of thugs that say they are christian among other things..

"The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
The group adheres to a syncretistic[4] blend of Christianity, Mysticism,[5] traditional religion,[6] and witchcraft,[7] and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition

I was pointing out that Christians in Ireland used children to plant bombs. They also used children to fight in the crusade. They have used children for terrorism before. He/she said they didn't, and I was pointing out something as recent as the problems ireland had.

Nothing I did was a strawman. JEDI made a direct claim about christians not used children for bombs, and indirectly for terrorism or wars. I posted a link showing facts to the contrary. Your contribution to that little back and forth was meaningless. That about sums it up.

 

[Lanyap]

it is amazing that there are so many people who instead of condemning these sick radical extremists, actually attack others in their name.

disgusting.

Well, it is a christian bashing thread and charges have been brought but they have not been convicted. If they are convicted then there is no doubt that everyone in this thread would condemn them. They seem to be sick fcks that are proclaiming themselves as christian.

 

[Lanyap]

I was pointing out that Christians in Ireland used children to plant bombs. They also used children to fight in the crusade. They have used children for terrorism before. He/she said they didn't, and I was pointing out something as recent as the problems ireland had.

Nothing I did was a strawman. JEDI made a direct claim about christians not used children for bombs, and indirectly for terrorism or wars. I posted a link showing facts to the contrary. Your contribution to that little back and forth was meaningless. That about sums it up.

Oh, I didn't see that in your wiki link about Ireland or the crusades and the children, did I miss it? Can you point it out.

To be accurate, he said if we had "Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up". Do you have a reliable source for christians blowing up their children like that (not the mall part). If so, then we're done and you win.


BTW, I'm not too good at debating so this is good practice for me.

 

[HumblePie]

Oh, I didn't see that in your wiki link about Ireland or the crusades and the children, did I miss it? Can you point it out.

To be accurate, he said if we had "Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up". Do you have a reliable source for christians blowing up their children like that (not the mall part). If so, then we're done and you win.


BTW, I'm not too good at debating so this is good practice for me.

You are going to make me going digging out specific news articles from another country that is over 30 years old? Crap man, I don't have that kind of time. I used the link as a general point because I know from previously watching the news 30 years ago that this was one of the things that was done at the time. Gah, give me a few.

 

[Throckmorton]

And yet the previous three muslim attacks in America president and press would refuse to say it was a muslim.

Agenda much?

Who told you the press refused to say they were Muslims? Faux News? Rush Limbaugh?

 

[dmcowen674]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fallout man


I'm disappointed that the Christian community has been so silent in response to these religious extremists and their extremist threats. When will the Christian community act to strongly condemn the actions of the religious extremists within their ranks?

:whiste::whiste::whiste:

See my reply to jstorm. There are rumors and allegations at this point so there is nothing to "condemn" yet you twit.

Hmmm, wonder how many in here belong to Republican Religious Radical groups?

Anyone not posting anymore after the raids?

 

[DealMonkey]

Reminds me of some of the assholes around here.

 

[werepossum]

1. Detroit is within America's borders.
2. The suspects are American citizens.

Certain executive wartime rulings aside, the above makes this a little different than some AK toting Pashtun captured in Tora Bora.

Agreed - but I bet he IS tempted. After all, these are the people his administration is willing to call terrorists - something they are loathe to call al Qaeda.

 

[umbrella39]

How do you numbnuts even know this is a true Christian group?

It could be like that South Park episode with Saddam Hussein building weapons of mass destruction up in heaven under the disguise of a chocolate chip factory.

The sad thing in all of this is that I'm not surprised at all by all the hate coming from "the left" of this board.

Domestic terrorist apologist.

Anyhow, here is a link to pics of the people hell bent on killing fellow Americans: http://detnews.com/

I wonder what could have happened in the past year or so that could have pushed their buttons enough to make them finally snap and want to murder police officers...???

 

[fallout man]

Agreed - but I bet he IS tempted. After all, these are the people his administration is willing to call terrorists - something they are loathe to call al Qaeda.

Are you sure about that?

I made a post with as a delicious parallel in tune with the knee-jerk frothing posted daily around here, and so many of you found a napkin and put on your serious face!

:awe:

Dance, monkeys, dance!

 

[monovillage]

There federal definition of "WMD" is not the definition of common parlance. It is much broader.

- wolf

I never knew that. So when the U.S. went into Iraq looking for WMDs, according to the laws of the U.S. they found them? If, of course that's what the law is.

 

[fallout man]

I never knew that. So when the U.S. went into Iraq looking for WMDs, according to the laws of the U.S. they found them? If, of course that's what the law is.

Refer to the Patty-wagon Act. Despite the "experts" in the run-up to the Iraq was saying, over and over, that WMD is technically restricted to nuclear weapons (chemical and biological weapons are not guaranteed mass destruction, and they also have a little problem of turning on the one who released them in the first place), WMD WMD WMD WMD WMD was the bogey-man shoved down everyone's throat.

The Patriot Act can technically claim you in possession of WMD's if have a small stock of shotgun shells, a piece of pipe, and some screws in your garage.

 

[Gardener]

If they are convicted then there is no doubt that everyone in this thread would condemn them.

There ain't no fxcking Santa, either, yap.

 

[Lanyap]

You are going to make me going digging out specific news articles from another country that is over 30 years old? Crap man, I don't have that kind of time. I used the link as a general point because I know from previously watching the news 30 years ago that this was one of the things that was done at the time. Gah, give me a few.

LOL, don't worry about it.