Raids target Christian militia in Midwest

[fallout man]

There ain't no fxcking Santa, either, yap.

YEP.

I hope they rounded-up their wives and kids too. Given the right... encouragement, they would be potential gold-mines for... intelligence gathering.

Who knows, we could have a ticking-bomb scenario on our hands here. Anyone else besides me feel really unsafe at this moment?

 

[piasabird]

This sounds so looney that it is unbeliveable. Kind of makes you want to know what kind of cool-aide they were drinking. So are all anti-government types automatically republicans? I think it only makes them mentally ill.

On the other hand, what makes a person want to kill police?

Maybe all militia groups are just homocide breeding grounds.

Hmm. . . I use to like going to target practice. It relaxes you. cold metalic guns and the smell of gunpowder. . . Uh never mind.

Are these guys similar to the Post Men?

 

[Ozoned]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/28/militia.arrests/?hpt=Sbin

So when they are in jail, I wonder if they think it was god's will that they go to jail. These people are seriously mind warped...

I'm kinda wondering how many faith based groups are on the verge of becoming 'bad' for society.

Will be interesting to see what the motive was and where we draw the line against these freaks. I feel sorry for law enforcement that will have to deal with these types that are on a mission from god after lubing up the AR-16 that can be easily and readily purchased from anywhere on line. I believe religion in this country is like a ticking time bomb.

Well,,,, 76% of the population considers itself to be Christians, and there are reported to be around 38,000 different Christian denominations. SO, statistically speaking, the chances are rather high.

My question would be a bit different than yours, though. That is only because I understand how the dissemination of information works in the US, and why it is aimed (down) at folks that think like you do.

 

[fallout man]

This sounds so looney that it is unbeliveable. Kind of makes you want to know what kind of cool-aide they were drinking. So are all anti-government types automatically republicans? I think it only makes them mentally ill.

On the other hand, what makes a person want to kill police?

Maybe all militia groups are just homocide breeding grounds.

Hmm. . . I use to like going to target practice. It relaxes you. cold metalic guns and the smell of gunpowder. . . Uh never mind.

Are these guys similar to the Post Men?

This situation is no different than an extremist Madrasah: find vulnerable, impressionable minds, twist daily events/news to match an angle that makes you view yourself as part of an oppressed minority caught in a life-or-death social/religious struggle against a perceived "other," and then profit. Humans like to be in closely-identified groups, and the weakest of us fall into the trap of extremist asshole indoctrination far too easily. When you couple that with the base identification with a religion, often from childhood, the crazy leaders' job is that much easier.

They don't have to be lefty, or a righty, and innie or outie. They don't have to be secular, Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim. They don't have to be black, or white, or brown, or yellow. Every one of these crazies' leader is really good at putting the best spin on things they view as fact that further their message/cause. The diversity of crazy will amaze you.

Of course, the "other" ends up being us--the sane law-abiding folks who have no connection to the extremists' wonderland--and we are the ones that suffer either through bodily harm or the continued dismantling of our rights.

This is no time for us, the sane law-abiding folks to not harshly rebuke, and instead take sides (even in small part) with these whackjobs because "we" may identify with them in part based on color or religion. THAT is how the trap is constructed.

 

[werepossum]

Are you sure about that?

I made a post with as a delicious parallel in tune with the knee-jerk frothing posted daily around here, and so many of you found a napkin and put on your serious face!

:awe:

Dance, monkeys, dance!

LOL I'm sure about the report that got leaked a few months ago, urging the government forces to be aware of potential terrorists such as veterans, fundamentalist Christians, single-issue groups such as pro-Second Amendment or anti-abortion groups (but not gun confiscators or pro-abortion groups.) And I'm sure that the Obama administration has an aversion to calling Islamic terrorists Islamic OR terrorists, preferring insurgents and "man-caused disasters". I'm sure of nothing about these groups.

 

[Jhhnn]

This situation is no different than an extremist Madrasah: find vulnerable, impressionable minds, twist daily events/news to match an angle that makes you view yourself as part of an oppressed minority caught in a life-or-death social/religious struggle against a perceived "other," and then profit. Humans like to be in closely-identified groups, and the weakest of us fall into the trap of extremist asshole indoctrination far too easily. When you couple that with the base identification with a religion, often from childhood, the crazy leaders' job is that much easier.

They don't have to be lefty, or a righty, and innie or outie. They don't have to be secular, Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim. They don't have to be black, or white, or brown, or yellow. Every one of these crazies' leader is really good at putting the best spin on things they view as fact that further their message/cause. The diversity of crazy will amaze you.

Of course, the "other" ends up being us--the sane law-abiding folks who have no connection to the extremists' wonderland--and we are the ones that suffer either through bodily harm or the continued dismantling of our rights.

This is no time for us, the sane law-abiding folks to not harshly rebuke, and instead take sides (even in small part) with these whackjobs because "we" may identify with them in part based on color or religion. THAT is how the trap is constructed.

True, near as I can tell. OTOH, I also think we need to recognize that one of our major political parties is fanning the flames of this sort of paranoid fantasy of discontent, pandering to those who hold only slightly less extreme views. Hell, it's displayed openly on this forum and many others- lots of references to Jefferson's "tree of liberty" remarks, threats of insurrection, so forth and so on... combined with what have been some minor instances of violence by those holding such views... the fact that they haven't started shooting isn't so much a matter of sentiment as one of resolve...

Edit- It seems obvious that werepossum, for example, is projecting desire onto the Obama Admin wrt treating these accused as "enemy combatants". It's symptomatic, of course, of what you analyze so well, fallout man...

 

[UberNeuman]

LOL I'm sure about the report that got leaked a few months ago, urging the government forces to be aware of potential terrorists such as veterans, fundamentalist Christians, single-issue groups such as pro-Second Amendment or anti-abortion groups (but not gun confiscators or pro-abortion groups.) And I'm sure that the Obama administration has an aversion to calling Islamic terrorists Islamic OR terrorists, preferring insurgents and "man-caused disasters". I'm sure of nothing about these groups.

Would seem that earlier report was spot on....

 

[Jhhnn]

Spiffy little vid for anybody doubting my previous remarks, with Michelle Bachmann as the closer-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqi-DRbt69o&feature=player_embedded

 

[werepossum]

Would seem that earlier report was spot on....

Obviously much worse than, say, hijacking four airliners full of innocent people, slitting the stewardesses' throats, then flying those airliners into buildings. Yup, the Messiah obviously has his priorities straight about who deserves the title of terrorist.

 

[UberNeuman]

Obviously much worse than, say, hijacking four airliners full of innocent people, slitting the stewardesses' throats, then flying those airliners into buildings. Yup, the Messiah obviously has his priorities straight about who deserves the title of terrorist.

So, if the Michigan 8 had stolen the lives of 3000+ - then you'd be happy?

 

[werepossum]

So, if the Michigan 8 had stolen the lives of 3000+ - then you'd be happy?

Good lord your mind is a twisty place! No, I'd be quite unhappy because we would now have TWO sets of dangerous terrorists, no matter that the progressives choose to call one "belligerents" or "combatants" for touchy-feely-changey reasons.

 

[UberNeuman]

Good lord your mind is a twisty place! No, I'd be quite unhappy because we would now have TWO sets of dangerous terrorists, no matter that the progressives choose to call one "belligerents" or "combatants" for touchy-feely-changey reasons.

Then we are in agreement that the Michigan 8 are terrorists.

 

[fallout man]

the fact that they haven't started shooting isn't so much a matter of sentiment as one of resolve...

The biggest issue I see there is that of conditioning.

I have staunch conservative friends, and we are able to have fiery conversations about volatile topics. More often than not, we agree to disagree--and that to me, is what discourse is all about. I learn from their perspective, and I hope that they learn something from mine. No convincing necessary.

When one is too far beyond the point where they can recognize and comprehend a reasonable argument, they become dangerous. View-points can be agreed or disagreed upon. View-points can be argued against. Blind conviction cannot, and such a mental state is dangerous when those with blind convictions are able to cause harm to those they blindly disagree with. It's the root of terrorism.

The media onslaught (and I'm speaking as someone who views/reads quite a bit of news media here in the States, and abroad) is today so polarizing that the weakest mind has no choice but to choose a side. They are conditioned to make irrational responses without any regard for common sense. I think that one of the earliest posts I've made here was regarding my opinion on just that--polarizing the body-politic against one-another works great for election turn-out, but it's ultimately destructive and dangerous to maintaining a healthy and cohesive democracy.

The fact that "they" haven't started shooting means that they still have something to lose by falling off the rocker. It's unfortunate that the terrorist whack-jobs know exactly where to look for recruits--to those who have nothing to lose and nothing to gain. There are still plenty of those to go around.

 

[werepossum]

Then we are in agreement that the Michigan 8 are terrorists.

Assuming they are guilty as charged, of course they are terrorists. What else would they be?

My point though is that these guys are amateurs, sullen (though potentially dangerous) children compared to Islamic terror organizations. Hunting for these guys whilst giving a pass to the professionals is what I object to.

 

[UberNeuman]

Assuming they are guilty as charged, of course they are terrorists. What else would they be?

My point though is that these guys are amateurs, sullen (though potentially dangerous) children compared to Islamic terror organizations. Hunting for these guys whilst giving a pass to the professionals is what I object to.

Now, what "pass" has been "given" to the "professionals?"

/and you object to the Fed and State stopping criminal actions?

 

[fallout man]

Assuming they are guilty as charged, of course they are terrorists. What else would they be?

My point though is that these guys are amateurs, sullen (though potentially dangerous) children compared to Islamic terror organizations. Hunting for these guys whilst giving a pass to the professionals is what I object to.

werepossum, we're not here talking about terrorism in the middle east, with all of its caveats and complications.

We're talking about a domestic terrorist group, in our comfy little corner of the world. The day we start giving tards like these a pass because we're even slightly sympathetic here in our comfy little corner of the world, is the day we start rolling head-first down the same slippery slope the middle-east rolled down. Over there, they're almost too late to slow down the descent, which should serve as a good lesson for US as Americans to not budge even a slight bit down the hill. I hope you understand what I'm trying to get across.

 

[werepossum]

Now, what "pass" has been "given" to the "professionals?"

/and you object to the Fed and State stopping criminal actions?

Weren't you reading? Mandates to call Islamic terrorists by almost any other name, and their acts "man-caused disasters" and other bunk. I certainly have no objection to law enforcement stopping crime from happening - in fact, I prefer it, and heartily wish the Islamic major had been stopped from his shooting spree as well.

 

[werepossum]

werepossum, we're not here talking about terrorism in the middle east, with all of its caveats and complications.

We're talking about a domestic terrorist group, in our comfy little corner of the world. The day we start giving tards like these a pass because we're even slightly sympathetic here in our comfy little corner of the world, is the day we start rolling head-first down the same slippery slope the middle-east rolled down. Over there, they're almost too late to slow down the descent, which should serve as a good lesson for US as Americans to not budge even a slight bit down the hill. I hope you understand what I'm trying to get across.

Understood and agreed - as long as they at the top don't ignore the big danger to concentrate on the little (though politically more attractive) dangers.

 

[UberNeuman]

Weren't you reading? Mandates to call Islamic terrorists by almost any other name, and their acts "man-caused disasters" and other bunk. I certainly have no objection to law enforcement stopping crime from happening - in fact, I prefer it, and heartily wish the Islamic major had been stopped from his shooting spree as well.

and, can you show the rest of the class these mandates?

/and you've already voiced that you "object" to the Fed and State protecting the citizens...

 

[Corn]

/and you object to the Fed and State stopping criminal actions?

You really are a fucking idiot.

 

[werepossum]

and, can you show the class these mandates?

You're joking, right? Assuming you were in a partisan-caused coma at the time, I'll bite:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-gr...ty-secretary-replaces-terrorism-term-man-caus

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,613330,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509597,00.html

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/04/obamas-word-play.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/obamas_mancaused_disaster_chic.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101744.html

It was kind of a big deal . . . Especially since the same cabinet member had no problem referring to veterans, Second Amendment supporters, abortion opponents, etc. by the same word she refuses to apply to practitioners of the the religion of pieces.

 

[Corn]

What is up with my home state being ground zero for all these whacked out militia groups anyway?

 

[UberNeuman]

You're joking, right? Assuming you were in a partisan-caused coma at the time, I'll bite:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-gr...ty-secretary-replaces-terrorism-term-man-caus

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,613330,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509597,00.html

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/04/obamas-word-play.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/obamas_mancaused_disaster_chic.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101744.html

It was kind of a big deal . . . Especially since the same cabinet member had no problem referring to veterans, Second Amendment supporters, abortion opponents, etc. by the same word she refuses to apply to practitioners of the the religion of pieces.

ah, yes, blogs and OP's... That really makes your case...

\blogs and opinion pieces - the venue of those unable to speak for themselves....

 

[UberNeuman]

You really are a fucking idiot.

and?

Offer to the Class why I'm a "fucking idiot." Take me apart, Calgon..

 

[Corn]

and?

OK, you smell bad too.

http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/testimony/testimony_1232547062602.shtm