Raids target Christian militia in Midwest

[Lanyap]

If they locked reposts, we would have one thread on health care. :\

They can merge the threads now. This is just another christian bashing thread. I'm glad they caught these crazies but do you really think it's fair to equate christian extremist/terrorist incidents with terrorists using muslim religion to justify their actions? No.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Nice try kage69.
These fringe groups are hardly christian. They take on the name as just that a name.
Mainstream Christians are not associated with these groups in any way.

That cannot be said for the Muslim world.
Elfear was exactly correct when he said-- [quotw]Originally Posted by Elfear
If the terrorist acts by fringe Christian groups ever reaches the heights currently observed in the Muslim world, then Christianity will have occasion to speak out. Do you really think most people's perspective of Christians is that they are violent terrorists? If the perspective isn't such, why would Christians need to speak out? It's a given that the vast majority of Christians (i.e. 99&#37 see this groups' acts as completely wrong.[/quote]


Now you take the percentage of violents acts by Muslims verses anything these so called Christian fringe groups do, it is absurd and very ignorant nand grandstanding of you to prey on others who would know no better than to believe you.

Now is we had Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up.......then your opinion might be worth discussing. As it is you are way out in left field on this one!!

 

[sandorski]

Nice try kage69.
These fringe groups are hardly christian. They take on the name as just that a name.
Mainstream Christians are not associated with these groups in any way.

That cannot be said for the Muslim world.
Elfear was exactly correct when he said-- [quotw]Originally Posted by Elfear
If the terrorist acts by fringe Christian groups ever reaches the heights currently observed in the Muslim world, then Christianity will have occasion to speak out. Do you really think most people's perspective of Christians is that they are violent terrorists? If the perspective isn't such, why would Christians need to speak out? It's a given that the vast majority of Christians (i.e. 99&#37 see this groups' acts as completely wrong.


Now you take the percentage of violents acts by Muslims verses anything these so called Christian fringe groups do, it is absurd and very ignorant nand grandstanding of you to prey on others who would know no better than to believe you.

Now is we had Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up.......then your opinion might be worth discussing. As it is you are way out in left field on this one!!

You're making a ridiculous distinction. Groups like Al Queda are indeed the "Fringe". Just because the methods are different is also Moot.

 

[JS80]

You're making a ridiculous distinction. Groups like Al Queda are indeed the "Fringe". Just because the methods are different is also Moot.

Al Qaeda is not fringe, they are merely doing what Mohammed write they should do - kill infidels. A "fringe" extremist Christian group would sell all their possessions and walk Jesus's path.

 

[sandorski]

Al Qaeda is not fringe, they are merely doing what Mohammed write they should do - kill infidels. A "fringe" extremist Christian group would sell all their possessions and walk Jesus's path.

...or in this case Kill Cops with the intent of starting a Revolution. Take your pick, I suspect there are equivalent Muslim groups out promoting Tolerance just like your idea of "Fringe" Christians.

 

[highland145]

but do you really think it's fair to equate christian extremist/terrorist incidents with terrorists using muslim religion to justify their actions? No.

Yes. My guess is that they aren't Christians in the normal sense so the would fall into the same pot.

 

[Lanyap]

You're making a ridiculous distinction. Groups like Al Queda are indeed the "Fringe". Just because the methods are different is also Moot.

You're correct, AQ is a fringe group so we can equate it to this christian fringe group and the christian community should apologize for them. You might need to give them some time since it only happened yesterday.

Do we know if they are Teabaggers? We could then associate them with Republicans and kill two birds with one stone.

I hope our law enforcement agencies will continue to catch crazies like this before they hurt anyone.

 

[sportage]

Oh those silly Christians.
First they think they know what’s best when it comes to taking children out of some 3rd world country like Haiti, now they want to kill cops.
I remember the good ole days when they just wanted to say prayers in church.
I miss that...

I see a fox sitcom comin... I hear it now...
"New this season on fox... THOSE SILLY CHRISTIANS. Ya just never know what they are up to next, but one thing for sure... its not praying in church".

"Followed by THE SARAH PALIN COMEDY HOUR. She's rich. She writes books. She has her own reality TV show. She has a naked almost sin-in-law. She has a wad of dough in the bank. And she will never have to worry about payin for her own healthcare, and wants you to think you won't either. Tune in and see just who she's gunnin fer this week. It just might be YOU."..."Only on fox!"

 

[sandorski]

You're correct, AQ is a fringe group so we can equate it to this christian fringe group and the christian community should apologize for them. You might need to give them some time since it only happened yesterday.

Do we know if they are Teabaggers? We could then aasociate them with Republicans and kill two birds with one stone.

I hope our law enforcement agencies will continue to catch crazies like this before they hurt anyone.

The whole "apology" thing isn't really intended to be required. It is brought up due to a history of certain Posters here insisting(and elsewhere on the Net and by certain Pundits) that Muslims should "Apologize" for Al Queda and those types.

 

[Lanyap]

The whole "apology" thing isn't really intended to be required. It is brought up due to a history of certain Posters here insisting(and elsewhere on the Net and by certain Pundits) that Muslims should "Apologize" for Al Queda and those types.

I know, but if the christians had the same number of extremists/terrorists using their religion to justify their acts then I would expect them to apologize too. I think that's what most of those posters are referring to.

 

[Jaskalas]

Unknown, and immaterial really...

Your hatred for your own countrymen is not immaterial. We police our own and thus rise far above the Turks and others. That you run from this fact shows your agenda.

 

[kage69]

Your hatred for your own countrymen is not immaterial. We police our own and thus rise far above the Turks and others. That you run from this fact shows your agenda.

Thanks for the lawlz...

 

[Throckmorton]

LOL @ the comments saying "they're not true Christians" etc etc. Give me a break. They are Christians just like Bin Laden is a Muslim.

 

[cubby1223]

How do you numbnuts even know this is a true Christian group?

It could be like that South Park episode with Saddam Hussein building weapons of mass destruction up in heaven under the disguise of a chocolate chip factory.



The sad thing in all of this is that I'm not surprised at all by all the hate coming from "the left" of this board.

 

[werepossum]

Al Qaeda is not fringe, they are merely doing what Mohammed write they should do - kill infidels. A "fringe" extremist Christian group would sell all their possessions and walk Jesus's path.

This. Another big difference is that a huge chunk of Muslims support what the radicals are trying to do - topple Christian or secular governments and replace them with Islamic theocracies - and will not turn them in. A Christian sect actually killing people (as opposed to one the government tells you is GOING to kill people if not imprisoned) would enjoy no such support among other Christians.

 

[sandorski]

How do you numbnuts even know this is a true Christian group?

It could be like that South Park episode with Saddam Hussein building weapons of mass destruction up in heaven under the disguise of a chocolate chip factory.

If an atheist were starting up a militia, might as well call it a Christian group to try and stay under the radar

You gotta go with the info available. So far, that's "Christian".

 

[Moonbeam]

Maybe it could be that .0002% of christians in the country go beyond annoying people and are violent. Compare that to the numbers of Muslims who feel that blowing up innocent people is ok. You can do the google search yourself or I can link to the disparity in number of instances through headlines.

I'm not too good at math but I'm guessing you are rather generous in your extimate. I would figure not even one in a million.

 

[spidey07]

You gotta go with the info available. So far, that's "Christian".

And yet the previous three muslim attacks in America president and press would refuse to say it was a muslim.

Agenda much?

 

[sandorski]

And yet the previous three muslim attacks in America president and press would refuse to say it was a muslim.

Agenda much?

I'm gonna go with: You Fail much

For two reasons:

1) the fact that you know they were Muslim undermines your point
2) You posted

 

[HumblePie]

Now is we had Christians sending their children into crowded Malls and blowing themselves up.......then your opinion might be worth discussing. As it is you are way out in left field on this one!!

Umm, just to nitpick but.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


Just to throw a wrench in your corn flakes, but you do remember at least North Ireland and all the fun christian bombings between catholics and protestants? I know it was mostly in the 80's but still...

 

[Lanyap]

Umm, just to nitpick but.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


Just to throw a wrench in your corn flakes, but you do remember at least North Ireland and all the fun christian bombings between catholics and protestants? I know it was mostly in the 80's but still...

I'll raise you one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_terrorism

 

[woolfe9999]

I agree in part with what some people are saying about the actual prevelance of terrorism in each religion, as well as the prevelance of support for terrorism among the rank and file. It isn't an entirely fair comparison, at least not if you are looking at the present time as a snapshot of history (going back into the past is another matter.)

I do, however, find it amusing that whenever a Christian does something bad in the name of Christianity, that Christians are very quick to label that person as "not a true Christian." The hypocrisy is painfully obvious when you realize that Muslims continuously argue amongst themselves about the true meaning and application of Jihad, with many Muslims saying that AQ is a perversion of true Islam. Christian critics of Islam seem to want to insert themselves into that discussion and proclaim that people like OBL are actually correct, i.e. that terroristic violence is commanded by the religion. But when it comes to their own religion, they can conveniently dissociate themselves from any wrongdoing by defining the wrongdoer out of their group. Funny that, as a Jew I can't recall ever claiming that Baruch Goldstein wasn't a "real Jew."

But the connection here with Christianity is less interesting to me than the connection to a whole complex of far right peroccupation with revolution, civil war, and violence in general, whether related to religion or not. It really seems to be all over the place these days, whether it is tea partiers, militia types, or even AT posters. It seems to be getting pretty mainstream, and that is what I find most disturbing. When you make ideas like that mainstream within a political bloc it becomes inevitable that a kooky fringe will act on it at some point or another. Clearly 99.999% of the people who talk about this stuff would never act on it. Indeed, most are too cowardly to back of up their words with deeds. However, the words we choose have consequence. Maybe we should think more carefully about how we choose to express our political opposition because you never know what kind of whackjob may be listening and taking our words just a little too seriously.

- wolf

 

[kage69]

The sad thing in all of this is that I'm not surprised at all by all the hate coming from "the left" of this board.

Really? I think it's sad that your need to bash "the left" somehow trumps the main story of some nuts wanting to kill cops and their family members. Yes, how dare people actually voice disapproval over these criminals and their agenda. Good of you to let us know where your real concerns lay.

Grats - your partisan silliness has officially made you retarded.

 

[HumblePie]

I'll raise you one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_terrorism

Weee.. I never said terrorism isn't apart of the muslim religion. Nice strawman though. I was just nitpicking JEDI saying that "Christians" have never done the very same thing in the name of their religion.

I wasn't even about to go into other things done in the many names of religions.

 

[werepossum]

Really? I think it's sad that your need to bash "the left" somehow trumps the main story of some nuts wanting to kill cops and their family members. Yes, how dare people actually voice disapproval over these criminals and their agenda. Good of you to let us know where your real concerns lay.

Grats - your partisan silliness has officially made you retarded.

Considering that these people have not yet been convicted, perhaps you could extend to them the same presumption of innocence that the left insists be accorded to those terrorists captured on the battleground?

One thing's for sure, whomever defends these folks, win or lose, won't be working for the White House. "Unpopular clients" /= clients unpopular with progressives.