Raids target Christian militia in Midwest

[fallout man]

Understood and agreed - as long as they at the top don't ignore the big danger to concentrate on the little (though politically more attractive) dangers.

It's more politically advantageous for them (both the R and the D clowns) to keep "fighting the good fight" in a "major" (read: theatrics) way simply for the PR. Don't you worry about them being distracted from good PR. Whether you agree or disagree with him, at least BO made an attempt to focus the mission on where it would have counted most--the Taliban in Afghanistan and the beloved patriot border.

The durka-durka element in the ME is not really a threat to our well-being here, and I personally think that the ME should sort it out for themselves. The amount of cash we've spent trying to be a control-rod in that bull-shit reactor could have paid for a huge moat with sharks and laser beams, which would have protected our borders and made us much safer as a nation buck-for-buck.

Regardless of how we think we're doing abroad, the biggest danger is here at home. This shit needs to be nipped in the bud. The second biggest terrorist act on our soil was a carried out by a red-blooded American nut-job. I hope that never happens again.

 

[werepossum]

ah, yes, blogs and OP's... That really makes your case...

\blogs and opinion pieces - the venue of those unable to speak for themselves....

Um, the Der Spiegal link is the actual interview. As for the rest, well, the main stream media only run stories that help Obama. As they haven't been told (by the Obama administration OR the New York Times) to run this, it's a non-story to them. But things the Times chooses to ignore still happen. Spend your own time and you'll find lots of evidence - but probably not from the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.

 

[werepossum]

It's more politically advantageous for them (both the R and the D clowns) to keep "fighting the good fight" in a "major" (read: theatrics) way simply for the PR. Don't you worry about them being distracted from good PR. Whether you agree or disagree with him, at least BO made an attempt to focus the mission on where it would have counted most--the Taliban in Afghanistan and the beloved patriot border.

The durka-durka element in the ME is not really a threat to our well-being here, and I personally think that the ME should sort it out for themselves. The amount of cash we've spent trying to be a control-rod in that bull-shit reactor could have paid for a huge moat with sharks and laser beams, which would have protected our borders and made us much safer as a nation buck-for-buck.

Regardless of how we think we're doing abroad, the biggest danger is here at home. This shit needs to be nipped in the bud. The second biggest terrorist act on our soil was a carried out by a red-blooded American nut-job. I hope that never happens again.

Perhaps you missed the whole Twin Towers thing? Our puppies are fairly harmless next to that sort of funding and training, McVeigh being an obvious and serious exception, which the Muslims carry out all over the world.

Agree that Obama is doing a pretty good job with Afghanistan, although I don't like the forced time-table. But I'll grant it might be judged necessary to make the Afghans move. But he could hardly have not concentrated on Afghanistan theater, as the war is over and the withdrawal already set when he took office.

OK, you smell bad too.

http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/testimony/testimony_1232547062602.shtm

That made me snort Mountain Dew out my nose! (Though I have no position on UberNeuman's odor or lack thereof.)

 

[fallout man]

Perhaps you missed the whole Twin Towers thing? Our puppies are fairly harmless next to that sort of funding and training, McVeigh being an obvious and serious exception, which the Muslims carry out all over the world.

The Twin Towers thing was a multi-tiered failure of domestic security, and I pray something like it never happens again. Even so, the revenge we've returned has cost us dearly in life, limb, and deficit. I personally don't think we've had a good return on the cost. I'm not really into the whole isolationism thing, but when you pretty much live on an island, away from savages, the best thing you can do is to make sure that savages don't come ashore. You certainly don't go and try to calm the savages down on their turf.

We made that mistake, but then again we have all sorts of complicated entanglements in the world, which makes for a partial justification.

Agree that Obama is doing a pretty good job with Afghanistan, although I don't like the forced time-table. But I'll grant it might be judged necessary to make the Afghans move. But he could hardly have not concentrated on Afghanistan theater, as the war is over and the withdrawal already set when he took office.

They finally got rid of Burger Kings and Pizza Huts on bases... something about securing multiple BK and PH shipments to bases detracting from the real mission of supplying combat troops on the front-line with rations and water. I say LOL and BRAVO!

 

[werepossum]

The Twin Towers thing was a multi-tiered failure of domestic security, and I pray something like it never happens again. Even so, the revenge we've returned has cost us dearly in life, limb, and deficit. I personally don't think we've had a good return on the cost. I'm not really into the whole isolationism thing, but when you pretty much live on an island, away from savages, the best thing you can do is to make sure that savages don't come ashore. You certainly don't go and try to calm the savages down on their turf.

We made that mistake, but then again we have all sorts of complicated entanglements in the world, which makes for a partial justification.

Calm them, no. Kill them, yes. But I think in human decency we owed them one attempt at bringing civilization and democracy first, as the vast majority of these people had nothing to do with the Twin Towers and no say in their government. Should it happen again with either country, I'll happily support bombing them back to the seventh century - though I'm not sure the majority would notice the difference.

 

[sandorski]

Obviously a setup, because Everyone knows only Bush can stop teh Terrar.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Umm, just to nitpick but.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism


Just to throw a wrench in your corn flakes, but you do remember at least North Ireland and all the fun christian bombings between catholics and protestants? I know it was mostly in the 80's but still...

Sorry but you are so far out in left field it is not even funny!
What happenned in Northern ireland was akin to a civil war based totally on religion.

There is noway what is happenning in the middle east is a religious war.....even the people of Northern Ireland regardless of whether catholic or protestant they did not strap explosives to themselves and commit suicide.....


Again what happenned in the dark ages happenned there is no denying that it happenned.

But it is in no way for the same reasons Muslim groups are perpetrating terrorism in the world.

What is sad is that nutcases like you cast a broad definition over the word -- Terrorism-- so that you can include anything and everything to try to bolster your losing arguments!!

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not sure I like Napolitano's choice of terms, but she definitely has a point wrt the politics of fear. Using the "OMFG! Terrarists!" terminology basically cedes any argument to Repub fearmongering at this point, and might be considered to be a trademark or copyright infringement... The misleading "WMD's" terminology is much the same...

 

[blackangst1]

And in other news,

Group arrested not Christian or militia, insider says

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/michigan.militia.arrests/?hpt=Sbin

OK continue with your circle jerk.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not sure I like Napolitano's choice of terms, but she definitely has a point wrt the politics of fear. Using the "OMFG! Terrarists!" terminology basically cedes any argument to Repub fearmongering at this point, and might be considered to be a trademark or copyright infringement... The misleading "WMD's" terminology is much the same...

Of course, "Americans live in terror of losing their jobs and their health care" is still perfectly legitimate, not fearmongering at all. Neither is "We're destroying the world unless you all buy carbon indulgences from Algore." (Look, that's his private jet flying over right now!)

Luckily for us simple folk, all proper uses of fear can be found on the DNC website or on Daily Kos.

 

[sandorski]

And in other news,

Group arrested not Christian or militia, insider says

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/michigan.militia.arrests/?hpt=Sbin

OK continue with your circle jerk.

Others in this thread said the same thing, but the Group itself claims Christian roots. So just because some guy in a News Report says they're "not Christian" is completely moot to the discussion.

Some feel Catholics are not Christian, but that doesn't mean it's true.

 

[sandorski]

Of course, "Americans live in terror of losing their jobs and their health care" is still perfectly legitimate, not fearmongering at all. Neither is "We're destroying the world unless you all buy carbon indulgences from Algore." (Look, that's his private jet flying over right now!)

Luckily for us simple folk, all proper uses of fear can be found on the DNC website or on Daily Kos.

Not Fear, Fact. Where have you been the last couple years?

 

[werepossum]

Not Fear, Fact. Where have you been the last couple years?

Gazing on those beautiful Twin Towers at the World Trade Center and contemplating the nature of facts, apparently.

 

[sandorski]

Gazing on those beautiful Twin Towers at the World Trade Center and contemplating the nature of facts, apparently.

wut?

 

[blackangst1]

Others in this thread said the same thing, but the Group itself claims Christian roots. So just because some guy in a News Report says they're "not Christian" is completely moot to the discussion.

Some feel Catholics are not Christian, but that doesn't mean it's true.

And likewise saying you are Christian doesnt make it true ither

 

[umbrella39]

And in other news,

Group arrested not Christian or militia, insider says

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/michigan.militia.arrests/?hpt=Sbin

OK continue with your circle jerk.

... said Michael Lackomar, a member of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia. The group says on its Web site that Hutaree means "Christian warrior." Its home page said it is "Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

- from your link.

Ok then, case closed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Quote: ... said Michael Lackomar, a member of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia. The group says on its Web site that Hutaree means "Christian warrior." Its home page said it is "Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

Regardless of the left using this as a crusade against the right, when Islamic terrorism won't even motivate them, I'm glad we police our own and apprehended these nuts.

Makes me wonder, what are they charged with and how long can we hold them? Are they going to be free in 5 years?

 

[werepossum]

wut?

You lefties are always maintaining that Islamic terrorism is no big deal, just conservatives quaking in our boots from fear of the boogie man, whereas homegrown rightist terrorism, fear of losing one's employer-supplied health care, and global warming are the "real" fears. I'm pointing out that while the vast majority of Americans have NOT lost their jobs nor their health insurance (even with Obama and the Democrats trying their best to eradicate private businesses and replace them with government bureaucracy) Islamic terrorists did strike a huge blow, one that cost 3,000 lives and untold hundreds of billions in our economy.

 

[sandorski]

And likewise saying you are Christian doesnt make it true ither

Moot point. They claim Christian, it gets Reported as "Christian". Sorry, that's how it works.

 

[sandorski]

You lefties are always maintaining that Islamic terrorism is no big deal, just conservatives quaking in our boots from fear of the boogie man, whereas homegrown rightist terrorism, fear of losing one's employer-supplied health care, and global warming are the "real" fears. I'm pointing out that while the vast majority of Americans have NOT lost their jobs nor their health insurance (even with Obama and the Democrats trying their best to eradicate private businesses and replace them with government bureaucracy) Islamic terrorists did strike a huge blow, one that cost 3,000 lives and untold hundreds of billions in our economy.

Total Fail.

 

[werepossum]

Total Fail.

LOL I must be getting the shining, I totally knew you'd say that.

 

[sandorski]

LOL I must be getting the shining, I totally knew you'd say that.

I suspect Guilty Conscience. Anyone can do what you did and type a string of Strawman arguments. Congrats?

 

[werepossum]

I suspect Guilty Conscience. Anyone can do what you did and type a string of Strawman arguments. Congrats?

Fail.

 

[Turin39789]

And likewise saying you are Christian doesnt make it true ither

define: christian

 

[heyheybooboo]

- from your link.

Ok then, case closed.

I thought ""Hutaree"" meant 'Cap a Cop for Christ'




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