Quran burned at ground zero

[TheVrolok]

While burning a Qur'an is absolutely a freedom protected by the constitution, I hardly would call this guy a patriot. I'm curious, do you consider Neo-Nazi demonstrators, KKK demonstrators, etc. to also be patriots? Simply exercising a protected right does NOT make you a patriot. By all means, protest Islam, I honestly don't care .. I think much of the religion (especially Sharia law) is archaic rubbish that needs to be absolutely throw into the void and forgotten. However, insulting the more modern Muslims by displaying religious intolerance isn't exactly wonderful either. I guess what I don't understand about spidey's point is why is extolling freedom of speech while condemning freedom of religion is patriotic?

 

[Craig234]

I like this guy. He expressed his right to free speech without being an ass. Sure, what he did was offensive to billions of people, but burning a bible wouldn't get nearly as much publicity. I'm actually thinking of setting fire to a bible, quran, torah, and other religious texts together to show that they all suck equally.

Too bad you can't use free speech to say what your point is and have to resort to the language of the thug who can't talk but only get a match.

Don't you feel powerful being able to offend that way?

Too bad, because it's an admission you are too weak to make your point. You do nothing to further your point, rather, you show you cannot hold a discussion.

 

[Craig234]

Well said.

All the uproar about the planned building of a Mosque near the 9 /11 site is a case in point IMO.

I'm sure the planners of that Mosque, in response to the criticism being directed towards them, would echo your sentiments ......

" life is full of disappointments and offensive things...get over it. "

​

No, they wouldn't, because as has been said, there is no comparison between their practising the normal activity of building a community center for people's legitimate needs that have nothing to do with hate, and an act with is nothing but the expression of hate, insult, disrespect aimed at innocent people.

They are not comparable. One involves people simply building a normal, harmless community center, the other an act of hate against a religion.

They aren't building something comparable to Quran burning (though some demagogues have tried to lie about their motives to build the hate against them).

What the builders should say is that the blaming of Muslims for 9/11 that opposing the center is based on is misplaced - not that 'it's valid but screw you get over it'.

That's you supporting the wrongful blaming of Muslims and the mob mentality.

 

[Craig234]

Do you understand the difference between private and public property?

Try doing what you just suggested in my yard/garage/driveway and I'll sue you for everything under the sun including but not limited to trespassing, among other things.

And no, one does not have the right to do that(or anything they want) on private property all in the name of "free speech", unless the property owner gives consent.

You couldn't miss the point much more.

Do it in the public parking lot next to the church they all see as they exit their church.

 

[dawp]

the burning of the koran is really no more offencive than throwing elephant shit at a picture of the virgin mary in NYC in '96.

The mayor was appalled, most of all by The Holy Virgin Mary, a 1996 collage by Chris Ofili, an award-winning British artist who uses elephant feces in his work. "The idea of having so-called works of art in which people are throwing elephant dung at a picture of the Virgin Mary is sick," said Giuliani. He announced that the city would cut its funding to the museum--about $7 million this year, or a third of the museum's budget--unless Sensation was canceled.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,992129,00.html

 

[Mike Gayner]

While burning a Qur'an is absolutely a freedom protected by the constitution, I hardly would call this guy a patriot. I'm curious, do you consider Neo-Nazi demonstrators, KKK demonstrators, etc. to also be patriots? Simply exercising a protected right does NOT make you a patriot. By all means, protest Islam, I honestly don't care .. I think much of the religion (especially Sharia law) is archaic rubbish that needs to be absolutely throw into the void and forgotten. However, insulting the more modern Muslims by displaying religious intolerance isn't exactly wonderful either. I guess what I don't understand about spidey's point is why is extolling freedom of speech while condemning freedom of religion is patriotic?

/thread

Seriously, this post pretty much sums the situation up.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

/thread

Seriously, this post pretty much sums the situation up.

The dominant argument I see in favor of this act is that he has the right to do it. That's pushing an irrelevant point. No one says he can't.

Two things are getting lost here. First, rights exist but in a civilized society there is a moral implicit to use them responsibly. People bitch about a backward religion and then praise someone for being ignorant.

That brings about the second. He's being an ass on purpose and there ARE people in the world who will look at this and are sitting on the fence on how to react. When someone is killed as a result of this guy shooting his ego's load all over the media that will be such a wonderful day right? "Oh no, we couldn't see that one coming". Bull

He's not a patriot, he's a traitor to reason, and he doesn't care if someone gets hurt. He expressed his right and it's all about him.

 

[Acanthus]

I don't see what the big deal is, i have a few copies.

 

[WelshBloke]

While burning a Qur'an is absolutely a freedom protected by the constitution, I hardly would call this guy a patriot. I'm curious, do you consider Neo-Nazi demonstrators, KKK demonstrators, etc. to also be patriots? Simply exercising a protected right does NOT make you a patriot. By all means, protest Islam, I honestly don't care .. I think much of the religion (especially Sharia law) is archaic rubbish that needs to be absolutely throw into the void and forgotten. However, insulting the more modern Muslims by displaying religious intolerance isn't exactly wonderful either. I guess what I don't understand about spidey's point is why is extolling freedom of speech while condemning freedom of religion is patriotic?

I wonder what would happen to Spidey if someone made a point of publicly burning the Constitution?

Would he see that person as a great patriot?

 

[Nemesis 1]

But people have the right to say the Quran burner deserves to be beheaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTMGrK2tvTw

 

[Jaskalas]

I wonder what would happen to Spidey if someone made a point of publicly burning the Constitution?

Would he see that person as a great patriot?

Every day our gov operates is a day that burns. Figuratively of course.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I wonder what would happen to Spidey if someone made a point of publicly burning the Constitution?

Would he see that person as a great patriot?

Perversely, since a freedom not exercised is a freedom lost, I await his wholehearted praise for those who wish to build the mosque.

 

[Jaskalas]

He's not a patriot, he's a traitor to reason, and he doesn't care if someone gets hurt. He expressed his right and it's all about him.

Those who feign wisdom or moral superiority in this case forget the double standard.

Why is Islam ALONE the one that must not be offended? Maybe you personally believe otherwise, and will say so now, flying in the face of our history and of countless actions from Democrats. They have codified into our very existence the insult and destruction of religious symbols. There never has been and never will be anything morally hazardous about that.

It is with contempt that I hear otherwise, given the long history of such things in this country. We do not treat religions as sacred, especially not just one of them. It's quite confusing really, to suddenly have this sprung up as an evil thing - to do what Americans have been doing to religion for ages.

 

[mizzou]

Ahhh most excellent, the first step to nobody giving a crap about burning someone elses bible.

Pretty soon, every dumbass will be doing it just to get some youtube hits, and then eventually nobody will care as we will become desensitized to it.

Makes you wonder what the next step will be doesn't it? Ihardly see someone stopping at just burning a bible.

Heck, people burn the american flag all over the place, and since it happens so often we just don't care and it would NEVER make the news

 

[Red Dawn]

We have had our differences but I'm proud to stand arm in arm with you on this.

Hey maybe you'll even let him try on you sheet.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Saturday Night Live had no foreknowledge of O'Connor's plan. NBC had declined to rebroadcast the sequence, instead showing footage from the dress rehearsal where O'Connor holds a photo of an African child before bowing and leaving the stage

As part of SNL's apology to the audience, during his opening monologue the following week, host Joe Pesci held up the photo, explaining that he had taped it back together, which gained applause. Pesci also said that if it had been his show, "I would have gave her such a smack."

"Sinead pulls out of peace concert after death threats".

I'm trying to picture spidey and Sinead standing arm to arm but just end up loling.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Those who feign wisdom or moral superiority in this case forget the double standard.

Why is Islam ALONE the one that must not be offended? Maybe you personally believe otherwise, and will say so now, flying in the face of our history and of countless actions from Democrats. They have codified into our very existence the insult and destruction of religious symbols. There never has been and never will be anything morally hazardous about that.

It is with contempt that I hear otherwise, given the long history of such things in this country. We do not treat religions as sacred, especially not just one of them. It's quite confusing really, to suddenly have this sprung up as an evil thing - to do what Americans have been doing to religion for ages.

Quick, find where I said that. To turn it around why do you believe freedoms ought to be exercised without responsibility but instead with disregard to consequences, or is that true only with islam?

 

[Carmen813]

Perversely, since a freedom not exercised is a freedom lost, I await his wholehearted praise for those who wish to build the mosque.

Better bust out the BBQ, grab a chair, and fetch some beers. We're gonna be waiting awhile. In the meantime, FOOTBALL!

 

[child of wonder]

How about we stop pumping trillions of dollars into the Middle East for their oil? Then we can stop worrying about their feelings if we decide to put down their religion because they won't have the funds to retaliate.

No religion is sacred. We are free to burn religious documents of any religion and we should not concern ourselves with the feelings of people who believe things invented by people living in caves or tents over a thousand years ago.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are times when I feel I'm debating a one-wheeled tricycle.

 

[LegendKiller]

How about we stop pumping trillions of dollars into the Middle East for their oil? Then we can stop worrying about their feelings if we decide to put down their religion because they won't have the funds to retaliate.

No religions is sacred. We are free to burn religious documents of any religion and we should not concern ourselves with the feelings of people who believe things invented by people living in caves or tents over a thousand years ago.

I've made this point on here before.

What I am continually amused by is that these so-called "conservatives" drive around in their SUV's "because they can", only to burn more gas and support the very same people they hate.

What better way to put them out of business than to drive around electric cars powered by American coal or nukes? What better way to put them out of business than to support massive amounts of green energy?

But nah, just because you can drive around in an SUV means you should. After all, we all have the freedom to be morons, just like the guy who burned the Quran.

Being insensitive to people just to be insensitive isn't being a patriot, it's being an asshole.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

"That part of Islam that doesn't want him to burn a copy of the book" is ALL of Islam. 🙄

It is extremely offensive to every single practicing Muslim on the entire globe to burn a copy of their most holy book.

"All this guy is doing" is expressing his HATE towards ALL of Islam by purposely and ignorantly burning their most sacred founding text.

Too damn bad. It is time for Muslims to put on their big-kid pants, escape from their 8th century mentality, and realize that a) No one cares if they are offended b) Threats of violence from their radical elements will no longer work. They have every right to voice their displeasure, but in the end, threats of violence and actual violence goes way too far.

What about Muslims who burn Bibles? What about them offending Christians? I don't recall hearing groups of fundamentalists threatening anyone with violent acts.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So? Fuck em if they can't take a joke.

Pisses me off when I see people burning the American flag but I still defend their right to do it.

Freedom is not always pretty. You must accept the bad with the good, anything else is not freedom. I am not willing to give up my freedom, nor chastise someone for exercising theirs, because ALL of anyfuckingbody gets pissed off at it.

If ALL of Islam has a problem with it they are perfectly free to not pay attention to us. They are also perfectly free to burn the flag or the Bible or whatever they choose in counter protest. If they threaten to blow shit up or kill over it, they should be treated as an enemy of our freedoms, and therefor the United States, and pursued with extreme prejudice.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Infohawk]

I don't see what the big deal is, i have a few copies.

Good idea, let's spread a bigoted religion to get back at those conservative bigots!

 

[umbrella39]

They still won't use images or charactures of Mohamed. What makes anybody think they would actually show this?

Funny thing is if he was burning a cross or the flag it would be all over the news and celebrated as his free speech. This man is a true patriot.

A patriot would have the balls to do it over in the middle east. This person is a pussy just like you.