Proof barry bonds used steroids,

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
All I have to say is this whole steroid thing has really tarnished baseball's image in my mind...I cant stand to watch it anymore between the ridiculously high wages of some players and steroid useage...I really hope Bonds record gets wiped from the books and he's shunned forever

I haven't given a sh*t about baseball since 1989. The sport is a joke and a total crock. The shame is that, even as a kid, I dreamt of taking my son to a ballgame. Baseball has ripped that dream from me.

Sure, we'll catch a football game here and there, but in the old days, dads and sons would just relax at a ballpark on a Sunday afternoon snacking on some hotdogs.

Fsck that now.

that's one of the things i'm pissed about...with the spiraling salaries, I'd have to spend a weeks pay on tickets to see the Sox....my mom used to sit in the first 5 rows right behind home plate for 20 bucks per seat. I know prices go up, but this is ridiculous. Then you find out they're using illegal substances to increase their output, and thus salary.


As for drawing the line, how's this? Using an illegal supplement (using steroids without a valid prescription is illegal). Contact lenses? not illegal. Tommy john surgery? not illegal. Inject horse semen or whatever these idiots do? illegal.

I like the ken griffey jr. quote on this "I don't do steroids because I want to be playing with my kids when I'm 40, not in a wheelchair"

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Some people won't be satisfied until they can personally test the used syringes for Barry's DNA. Of course, when the results come back positive their heads will explode in a global Divide-By-Zero phenomena.

I for one will believe the accusations when video of said shots injected into said bottocks have surfaced.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Some people won't be satisfied until they can personally test the used syringes for Barry's DNA. Of course, when the results come back positive their heads will explode in a global Divide-By-Zero phenomena.

I for one will believe the accusations when video of said shots injected into said bottocks have surfaced.

LMFAO

Hurry Barry! Hide those tapes! You dumb sucker! You never should have made a documentary of your steroid use!!!!!!!

BLAST!!!!


"Okay Anderson... I'm ready. Simmons! PAY ATTENTION! Get that camera over here!"

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

What about creatine?
Glutamine?
Isolate Protein?
Contact lenses?

The point is where is the line drawn?

Was wondering where all the SF fanboys were.

Anabolic steroids increase testosterone production by over 100% a normal man's rate. Hence, any offender could be eating KFC for a week and anabolically create muscle with little to no fat. How's that for drawing the line?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Rudee
The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

What do you call this?

Hint: It shoot bullets, and has smoke coming out the barrel.

What more do you want? Videos?

Yes, but evidence has to be linked to an individual. If this was a case that went to Jury, a Jury would want more evidence then a doping calender or folder with documents. Now, if Bonds supposedly paid $1500 for a supply of drugs on a particular day, and his bank statements showed a matching withdrawl on the same day, you have a link. It's a lot of evidence, but a good defence lawyer could have a large chunk of it deemed non-admissable by a Judge. I would like to see the seized documents in question to really know what kind of info is there and how concise it is.

Did you read the article? What about the taped phone recordings by his mistress? Pretty fcking smart, she's laughing all the way to the bank at Barry's expense.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: kranky
Nothing would please me more than if they wipe all Bonds' records off the books.

 

[shortspanishguy]

If we got rid of all the players that juice you can say goodbye to ALOT of players from the NFL and the MLB. I dont believe steroids have a place in sports but they are here to stay. There is too much $$ in it. It will never end.

and BTW... this writer has no idea about steroids.

3 week cycles do not exist, especially for baseball purposes.

 

[shortspanishguy]

"testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans)"

Interesting... A fast acting steroid (15 day half life), known as Mexican beans.


LOL do your homework buddy. I know bonds did roids but at least get your facts straight.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: NeoV
I think he'll pass Ruth for sure, but not Aaron

How could he not pass Aaron? If he doesn't break the record this year because of injury or some other condition that caused him to have limited playing time he'll just have himself traded to some AL team and fill the DH slot. As a DH he could play for another five years.

He just needs to be thrown out of baseball. Sadly, I don't think this will happen. Anyone want to bet he gets booed when he breaks Hanks record? /Rose

 

[chambersc]

why do you people care if he does steroids or not?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Who cares? Wipe his stats from 1998 to Present and his stats are still ridiculous.

To be honest, I haven't watched anyone as exciting as Barry in my entire life. I wish all of them used the 'roids.

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Was wondering where all the SF fanboys were.

Anabolic steroids increase testosterone production by over 100% a normal man's rate. Hence, any offender could be eating KFC for a week and anabolically create muscle with little to no fat. How's that for drawing the line?

I'm by no means a SF fan, I'm a fan of knowing about something (ie steroids) before commenting. Please show me where you read the above quote. If you can not provide data then please don't portray media hype as fact.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Was wondering where all the SF fanboys were.

Anabolic steroids increase testosterone production by over 100% a normal man's rate. Hence, any offender could be eating KFC for a week and anabolically create muscle with little to no fat. How's that for drawing the line?

I'm by no means a SF fan, I'm a fan of knowing about something (ie steroids) before commenting. Please show me where you read the above quote. If you can not provide data then please don't portray media hype as fact.

If that's the case maybe I should do some steroids and eat KFC for a couple of weeks.

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Was wondering where all the SF fanboys were.

Anabolic steroids increase testosterone production by over 100% a normal man's rate. Hence, any offender could be eating KFC for a week and anabolically create muscle with little to no fat. How's that for drawing the line?

I'm by no means a SF fan, I'm a fan of knowing about something (ie steroids) before commenting. Please show me where you read the above quote. If you can not provide data then please don't portray media hype as fact.

If that's the case maybe I should do some steroids and eat KFC for a couple of weeks.

huh?

 

[Looney]

What do you guys mean there's no proof? There are BALCO records... and he himself has admitted to it... although he claimed he didn't know what those needles, creams, and sublingual liquids were LOL

 

[shortspanishguy]

Originally posted by: Looney
What do you guys mean there's no proof? There are BALCO records... and he himself has admitted to it... although he claimed he didn't know what those needles, creams, and sublingual liquids were LOL

I didnt read the whole thread but I dont see anyone refuting he used AAS.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy

Originally posted by: Looney
What do you guys mean there's no proof? There are BALCO records... and he himself has admitted to it... although he claimed he didn't know what those needles, creams, and sublingual liquids were LOL

I didnt read the whole thread but I dont see anyone refuting he used AAS.

Some in the beginning of the thread did.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rudee
Yes, but evidence has to be linked to an individual. If this was a case that went to Jury, a Jury would want more evidence then a doping calender or folder with documents. Now, if Bonds supposedly paid $1500 for a supply of drugs on a particular day, and his bank statements showed a matching withdrawl on the same day, you have a link. It's a lot of evidence, but a good defence lawyer could have a large chunk of it deemed non-admissable by a Judge. I would like to see the seized documents in question to really know what kind of info is there and how concise it is.

wtf are you talking about? has to be linked to the individual? these records have his name all over them. non-admissable? howso?

someone people won't believe bonds is doping until they see video of him using the stuff with a big 'STEROIDS' label on the bottle

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Was wondering where all the SF fanboys were.

Anabolic steroids increase testosterone production by over 100% a normal man's rate. Hence, any offender could be eating KFC for a week and anabolically create muscle with little to no fat. How's that for drawing the line?

I'm by no means a SF fan, I'm a fan of knowing about something (ie steroids) before commenting. Please show me where you read the above quote. If you can not provide data then please don't portray media hype as fact.

"Although we observed a significant increase in the serum levels of testosterone in our study," said Dr. Doug King, a researcher at Iowa State University, "it is unlikely that this dose of androstenedione would enhance muscle size or strength. Most earlier research suggests that the serum testosterone must be increased by more than 100 percent in order to increase muscle strength."
Text

Actually, trenbalone increases testosterone levels much higher than andro... so it could realistically be much much higher than 100%. God knows what B.Bond's levels were at when he was juicing.

 

[ntdz]

What proof? These are writers for The San Francisco Chronicle. While I believe Bonds did use roids, there is no proof in this book. A postive result on a blood test = proof.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: shortspanishguy
If we got rid of all the players that juice you can say goodbye to ALOT of players from the NFL and the MLB. I dont believe steroids have a place in sports but they are here to stay. There is too much $$ in it. It will never end.

and BTW... this writer has no idea about steroids.

3 week cycles do not exist, especially for baseball purposes.

sure they do....what makes you think they don't?? (I dunno for baseball purposed) but bonds didn't sound exactly worried about effectiveness...he sounded more like a glutton

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Him and all his kind need their stats wiped from the record books. Sosa, Bonds, McGwire, the whole lot.

curious if you are a yankees fan?

Matt Lawton last year hit a game winning HR in September for the yankees and he admited he was on steroids.

should that game have been forfeited by the yankees?

 

[Ricemarine]

Wow............

 

[puffff]

doesnt bonds have immunity from testifying inthe balco case? i cant imagine him being tried in court for anything.

BUT, it's baseball's discretion whether his records get wiped, he's excluded from the HOF, he's banned, etc. they dont need undeniable proof, they just need enough evidence, and the commissioner can make that decision. all you guys screaming about PROOF, NO PROOF are really arguing over nothing.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: ntdz
What proof? These are writers for The San Francisco Chronicle. While I believe Bonds did use roids, there is no proof in this book. A postive result on a blood test = proof.

The world is flat, I tell you.