Proof barry bonds used steroids,

[Accipiter22]

also, you have to realize it's incredibly hard to sue someone for libel or slander, you basically have to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the person knew what they were saying was false, and they maliciously published it. So barry would have to PROVE that he never did steroids.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: BlueFlamme

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Rudee
What exactly makes this proof?

I was wondering the same thing myself. I wouldn't call this proof.

Well, they are going to have to have proof somewhere or SI is going to have their asses sued off of them by Bonds.

Did you bother reading the link?

SI doesn't have to have proof to quote out of a book. For your reference from the article:

The authors compiled the information over a two-year investigation that included, but was not limited to, court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, confidential memoranda of federal agents (including statements made to them by athletes and trainers), grand jury testimony, audiotapes and interviews with more than 200 sources. Some of the information previously was reported by the authors in the Chronicle. Some of the information is new. For instance, in an extensive note on sourcing, the authors said memos detailing statements by BALCO owner Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and Anderson to IRS special agent Jeff Novitzky were sealed when they first consulted them, but have been unsealed since.

EDIT: highlighted for your ease of locating the info.l

SI/The book's authors....same difference. Yes, I did read the link btw. The point of my post was that there had to be an abundance of proof before they came out with this otherwise they would leave themselves open to a slander or libel lawsuit.

 

[TraumaRN]

All I have to say is this whole steroid thing has really tarnished baseball's image in my mind...I cant stand to watch it anymore between the ridiculously high wages of some players and steroid useage...I really hope Bonds record gets wiped from the books and he's shunned forever

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: BlueFlamme

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Rudee
What exactly makes this proof?

I was wondering the same thing myself. I wouldn't call this proof.

Well, they are going to have to have proof somewhere or SI is going to have their asses sued off of them by Bonds.

Did you bother reading the link?

SI doesn't have to have proof to quote out of a book. For your reference from the article:

The authors compiled the information over a two-year investigation that included, but was not limited to, court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, confidential memoranda of federal agents (including statements made to them by athletes and trainers), grand jury testimony, audiotapes and interviews with more than 200 sources. Some of the information previously was reported by the authors in the Chronicle. Some of the information is new. For instance, in an extensive note on sourcing, the authors said memos detailing statements by BALCO owner Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and Anderson to IRS special agent Jeff Novitzky were sealed when they first consulted them, but have been unsealed since.

EDIT: highlighted for your ease of locating the info.l

SI/The book's authors....same difference. Yes, I did read the link btw. The point of my post was that there had to be an abundance of proof before they came out with this otherwise they would leave themselves open to a slander or libel lawsuit.

The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

 

[PoPPeR]

all over every news outlet now.

freakin cover story of cnn.com

RIP barry bonds haha

 

[JDrake]

Hasn't it been obvious??
Is this the current edition of Sports Illustrated? Like could I go to a store and buy it? I need it for a health report..

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Rudee
The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

What do you call this?

Hint: It shoot bullets, and has smoke coming out the barrel.

What more do you want? Videos?

 

[ZOOYUKA]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
All I have to say is this whole steroid thing has really tarnished baseball's image in my mind...I cant stand to watch it anymore between the ridiculously high wages of some players and steroid useage...I really hope Bonds record gets wiped from the books and he's shunned forever

I atleast hope he does not break Hank Aarons homerun record.

 

[slimrhcp]

For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

 

[moshquerade]

cheater

 

[slimrhcp]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

What about creatine?
Glutamine?
Isolate Protein?
Contact lenses?

The point is where is the line drawn?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

Steroids weren't even illegal or tested for until recently.

For the record, it is obvious that Bonds has been doing steroids for a long time, and I think he's a POS.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

What about creatine?
Glutamine?
Isolate Protein?
Contact lenses?

The point is where is the line drawn?

How about illegal substances like steroids? Is that a good line. Comparing steroids to contact lenses and surgery is absurd and pointless. Both pitchers and batters can benefit from modern medicine, or do you think pitching is exactly the same as it was 40 years ago. Steroids are illegal and give a certain player extra advantage, stop trying to come up with excuses for these cheates.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Rudee
The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

What do you call this?

Hint: It shoot bullets, and has smoke coming out the barrel.

What more do you want? Videos?

Yes, but evidence has to be linked to an individual. If this was a case that went to Jury, a Jury would want more evidence then a doping calender or folder with documents. Now, if Bonds supposedly paid $1500 for a supply of drugs on a particular day, and his bank statements showed a matching withdrawl on the same day, you have a link. It's a lot of evidence, but a good defence lawyer could have a large chunk of it deemed non-admissable by a Judge. I would like to see the seized documents in question to really know what kind of info is there and how concise it is.

 

[BCYL]

Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
All I have to say is this whole steroid thing has really tarnished baseball's image in my mind...I cant stand to watch it anymore between the ridiculously high wages of some players and steroid useage...I really hope Bonds record gets wiped from the books and he's shunned forever

I atleast hope he does not break Hank Aarons homerun record.

QFT

I hope Bonds retires now, and never breaks Hank Aarons or Ruth's records...

I also think MLB should at least have a footnote on Bond's records... They should remove the record completely, since there's no way to tell how big a part the steroids played...

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
barry bonds used steroids

O RLY?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: kranky
Nothing would please me more than if they wipe all Bonds' records off the books.

Ditto here. Barry Bonds is a piece of shyt. Case closed.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Rudee
The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

What do you call this?

Hint: It shoot bullets, and has smoke coming out the barrel.

What more do you want? Videos?

Yes, but evidence has to be linked to an individual. If this was a case that went to Jury, a Jury would want more evidence then a doping calender or folder with documents. Now, if Bonds supposedly paid $1500 for a supply of drugs on a particular day, and his bank statements showed a matching withdrawl on the same day, you have a link. It's a lot of evidence, but a good defence lawyer could have a large chunk of it deemed non-admissable by a Judge. I would like to see the seized documents in question to really know what kind of info is there and how concise it is.

Just like a civil suit can find someone guilty of something when a criminal trial did not, baseball doesn't have to meet the legal standard of guilt or innocence. Whether or not there's enough evidence to convict Bonds in court of using steroids, there's more than enough to convince me he did it.

Add it all up. No one doubles their home run percentage at age 34 without the help of chemicals. He's hit the 12 longest HRs of his career AFTER age 37! In his baseball "prime years" of age 27-29, he averaged .313 and 35 HRs a year. At age 37-39, he averaged .345 and 55 HRs a year. And we're supposed to believe he did that with workouts and supplements? C'mon. The human body doesn't work that way.

They should wipe his records. No HOF either.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
All I have to say is this whole steroid thing has really tarnished baseball's image in my mind...I cant stand to watch it anymore between the ridiculously high wages of some players and steroid useage...I really hope Bonds record gets wiped from the books and he's shunned forever

I haven't given a sh*t about baseball since 1989. The sport is a joke and a total crock. The shame is that, even as a kid, I dreamt of taking my son to a ballgame. Baseball has ripped that dream from me.

Sure, we'll catch a football game here and there, but in the old days, dads and sons would just relax at a ballpark on a Sunday afternoon snacking on some hotdogs.

Fsck that now.

 

[Accipiter22]

Originally posted by: joedrake
Hasn't it been obvious??
Is this the current edition of Sports Illustrated? Like could I go to a store and buy it? I need it for a health report..

yup, it's current

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Rudee
The authors have evidence. Evidence is not neccessarily proof. They may have an abundance of evidence, but they still lack the proof. The smoking gun so-to-speak.

BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.

What do you call this?

Hint: It shoot bullets, and has smoke coming out the barrel.

What more do you want? Videos?

Some people won't be satisfied until they can personally test the used syringes for Barry's DNA. Of course, when the results come back positive their heads will explode in a global Divide-By-Zero phenomena.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: slimrhcp

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: slimrhcp
For everyone saying that his records should be erased I have a question:

Should everyone in modern times have their records erased as well considering they had advantages that the likes of Hank Aaron didn't. There wasn't as much knowledge about supplements back then. Careers are also extended now because of non-invasive surgeries. Where is the line drawn?

Last I checked, improved surgical procedures of the years isn't against baseball rules. Steroids on the other hand, are.

If there was ever a case for an asterisk next to someone's stats, it would be warranted here.

What about creatine?
Glutamine?
Isolate Protein?
Contact lenses?

The point is where is the line drawn?

Tough to say, but it's probably drawn way before "20 steroid pills, injections, and topical treatment".

Fsck... he was using cattle pills at one point!

 

[waggy]

if proven they used steriods then any record they have should be erased and they should NEVER be allowed in the HOF.

 

[NeoV]

I think he'll pass Ruth for sure, but not Aaron