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pcgeek11 said:
Just think if anyone else was in office no one would have died from Covid-19.
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The death toll under virtually any other president would have been literal orders of magnitude lower, and the economic impact wouldn't be nearly as bad because of a competent and coordinated response.

In a relative sense, that lower number may as well be zero, because that's how bad Trump's response to covid has been.
 
Very unlikely no deaths, near impossible, almost certain a lot less would have died though. The US is down there with Brazil in how abysmal the infection and death rates are.

No excuse for that in a country that wealthy, with that much health care infrastructure and resources. Trump makes all sorts of excuses, but the facts lay it at his feet. Claimed it would go away, claimed it was a hoax, recommended demon semen afficianado's treatment regimens, lies outright about the abysmal numbers, recommends opening up when it was idiotic to do so, ignores experts in lieu of bleach injections and putting lights up your rectum. The man is a fucking imbecile.

All the other developed nations are made up of diverse states/provinces/regions what have you. Right, left and center politics, obviously likely not as partisan. The only difference is a federal government that is grossly incompetent and a political party that deals in conspiracy theories and propaganda.

It's flat Earther level of insanity to believe the US' handling of Covid has been anything but atrocious. Americans are being treated like pariahs, can't travel anywhere, you would not expect that. Result of pathetically bad leadership. A moron who takes victory laps while he does nothing.
 
Grooveriding said:
Very unlikely no deaths, near impossible, almost certain a lot less would have died though. The US is down there with Brazil in how abysmal the infection and death rates are.

No excuse for that in a country that wealthy, with that much health care infrastructure and resources. Trump makes all sorts of excuses, but the facts lay it at his feet. Claimed it would go away, claimed it was a hoax, recommended demon semen afficianado's treatment regimens, lies outright about the abysmal numbers, recommends opening up when it was idiotic to do so, ignores experts in lieu of bleach injections and putting lights up your rectum. The man is a fucking imbecile.

All the other developed nations are made up of diverse states/provinces/regions what have you. Right, left and center politics, obviously likely not as partisan. The only difference is a federal government that is grossly incompetent and a political party that deals in conspiracy theories and propaganda.

It's flat Earther level of insanity to believe the US' handling of Covid has been anything but atrocious. Americans are being treated like pariahs, can't travel anywhere, you would not expect that. Result of pathetically bad leadership. A moron who takes victory laps while he does nothing.
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Fenixgoon said:
The death toll under virtually any other president would have been literal orders of magnitude lower, and the economic impact wouldn't be nearly as bad because of a competent and coordinated response.

In a relative sense, that lower number may as well be zero, because that's how bad Trump's response to covid has been.
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If a George H.W. Bush had been President, I bet it'd have been the lowest possible death toll, more than any Democrat.

Wanna know why?

Because a reasonably intelligent Republican President wouldn't have been downplaying the disease from the start, and encouraging people to go maskless and consider it nothing more than just a flu And the right-wing authoritarians would have listened and done whatever the President said.

Any Democratic President would have reduced deaths, but not as much as a Republican President, because right-wing authoritarians would never listen to anything a Democratic President would recommend, even if it was meant to keep them safe.

Wanna know why?

fskimospy said:
This is pretty impressive projection and, shocking, it’s once again wrongly focused on liberals.Polls consistently show those rural deplorables hate the coastal blue staters much more than the other way around. There’s a reason why ‘owning the libs’ is a thing and ‘owning the cons’ is not. It’s because conservatives are blinded by hatred and contempt.

So if you actually believe this and are not yet again concern trolling, what is to be done to get conservatives to stop putting hatred first?


Racism is much more the cause than the result of lack of economic opportunity.


The stones are flying because the cops have murdered and brutalized people for decades with impunity. What people are saying now is, in effect, make the cops subject to the same laws as everyone else.
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Exactly. Clear projection by conservatives, believing that because they hate libruuls, libruuls must hate them.

Libruuls want to unionize so all laborers have more rights and make more money. Libruuls want everyone to have universal health care, universal day care, higher wages, etc. Libruuls want oligarchs to have less power over politics and pay more in taxes. Libruuls want a bigger safety net for everyone, not just libruuls.

Rural/Conservatives who literally self-describe as "Real Americans" are the ones who've been screaming about elite east/west coast libruuls for decades, because their thought leaders tell them that east/west coast libruuls hate them. If they weren't right-wing authoritarians simply complying with their rightful authority figures, they'd have already figured out that it's not the libruuls who hate them. It's the rightful authority figures who use them for money and political power, never doing anything intentionally to better their situations. Scared and on-the-edge rural conservatives are just the way Republicans like their base.

Fear is a powerful motivator.
 
Fenixgoon said:
The death toll under virtually any other president would have been literal orders of magnitude lower, and the economic impact wouldn't be nearly as bad because of a competent and coordinated response.

In a relative sense, that lower number may as well be zero, because that's how bad Trump's response to covid has been.
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Even states that have had competent and coordinated responses are still struggling to completely flatten the curve. Not because of inadequate testing or poor policy decisions, but because you have people selfishly holding graduation parties or weddings or beach parties or house parties, and people flat out refusing to wear masks...that is a uniquely American individualism problem.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Even states that have had competent and coordinated responses are still struggling to completely flatten the curve. Not because of inadequate testing or poor policy decisions, but because you have people selfishly holding graduation parties or weddings or beach parties or house parties, and people flat out refusing to wear masks...that is a uniquely American individualism problem.
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More ignorant nonsense, once again acting as an apologist for incompetence because it’s right wing incompetence.

1) Do you seriously not understand that all of America, every state, has woefully inadequate testing because no national, coordinated response has happened? It can take up to TWO WEEKS to get test results back, which makes effective contact tracing and isolation of cases completely impossible.

2) Our incompetent president turned mask wearing into a culture war issue because he got mad at people giving him shit for not wearing one. This isn’t some inherent anti-mask thing for Americans, it’s the entirely foreseeable result of his actions.

It’s just an endless stream of dishonest, needlessly contrarian bullshit from you.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Even states that have had competent and coordinated responses are still struggling to completely flatten the curve. Not because of inadequate testing or poor policy decisions, but because you have people selfishly holding graduation parties or weddings or beach parties or house parties, and people flat out refusing to wear masks...that is a uniquely American individualism problem.
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Yeah but our leadership (a whole political party, not just one man) has been repeatedly pushing stupidly dangerous ideas.
First they said there was no virus. Then they said it couldn't get into America. Then they said just a handful of people would get infected. Then they said there will be some infections but the death count will be minimal and no one needs masks. Then they ass fucked the entire medical system. Then they made masks a fucking political issue. Then they started blaming the other political party for making the virus and masks political. Then they flat out encouraged people to go to large public gatherings and not wear masks. And on and on and on and on.
Its not really a big surprise that millions of Americans never took this problem seriously. Any other president in history would have done a considerably better job not just managing resources but also explaining to people how to be safe and why it matters to the big picture.
This whole situation is Donalds fault and when this is all over he needs to be tried for large scale manslaughter.
 
shortylickens said:
Yeah but our leadership (a whole political party, not just one man) has been repeatedly pushing stupidly dangerous ideas.
First they said there was no virus. Then they said it couldn't get into America. Then they said just a handful of people would get infected. Then they said there will be some infections but the death count will be minimal and no one needs masks. Then they ass fucked the entire medical system. Then they made masks a fucking political issue. Then they started blaming the other political party for making the virus and masks political. Then they flat out encouraged people to go to large public gatherings and not wear masks. And on and on and on and on.
Its not really a big surprise that millions of Americans never took this problem seriously. Any other president in history would have done a considerably better job not just managing resources but also explaining to people how to be safe and why it matters to the big picture.
This whole situation is Donalds fault and when this is all over he needs to be tried for large scale manslaughter.
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Yes, I agree that any other politician would have done an infinitely better job of managing the pandemic. Trump’s response has been a complete failure.

That doesn’t change the fact that even a competent President was going to slam into the selfish individualism and anti-vax nonsense that is uniquely American and very much now part of why the virus continues to spread.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Yes, I agree that any other politician would have done an infinitely better job of managing the pandemic. Trump’s response has been a complete failure.

That doesn’t change the fact that even a competent President was going to slam into the selfish individualism and anti-vax nonsense that is uniquely American and very much now part of why the virus continues to spread.
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OK I see your point.
 
sao123 said:
175,000 dead due to covid19.
800,000-1,000,000 million annual aborted babies due to the disease of liberalism.
You do the math.
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Just for fun, because I like math, I did the math.

So, those embryos you are so worried about are almost completely undifferentiated cells. I mean to get to the extreme numbers you posted we are not really talking about normal abortions, we are talking about something like the morning after pill, so really on average ~20 or so cells? But, I'm going to be really generous here and say that enough of them are weeks along that the average comes out to somewhere in the 20,000 cell range (and that is being very generous). Given your largest number, that means we have killed 2 trillion human cells a year! Wow, that does sound bad.

Oh. Wait. A single adult human has around 30 trillion cells in their body at any given time. So, one human death due to Covid-19 is more than 10 times worse than all the abortions in a year, we have had 172,000 covid deaths this year already. That means covid-19 has killed 5,160,000,000,000 human cells that were even more viable then the ones you are worried about. That means that in 5 months, COVID-19 killed 2580 times more human life than all the abortions does in a year!
See how stupid the embryo argument is?
 
Fenixgoon said:
The death toll under virtually any other president would have been literal orders of magnitude lower, and the economic impact wouldn't be nearly as bad because of a competent and coordinated response.

In a relative sense, that lower number may as well be zero, because that's how bad Trump's response to covid has been.
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Speculation at best.
 
I'm not really worried either way. People who talk the talk will almost never walk the walk. That said, I've got stuff to protect me but I'm more worried about fall out regardless of the results. I'm too nice of a person to write off those who've become disillusioned with Trump and would love him to become a dictator or something such as that. We'll eventually heal. Hopefully.
 
fskimospy said:
What do you think the United States has so many more deaths than other developed countries?

Are they better than us?
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Because Americans don't take well to the precautions they should be doing.

Open your eyes and look around at the parties and beaches and bars etc... I see these dumb@sses everywhere no masks crowded up together on and on. I wear my mask and stay away from the dummies.

I'm not saying that Trump did everything right, but to tag all of this on him is stupid partisanship.

www.npr.org

Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count

These two measures were raised in President Trump's interview this week with journalist Jonathan Swan on Axios on HBO. Here's what these statistics reveal about a country's response to the pandemic.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

 
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