Prepping for post-election fallout?

[zinfamous]

Because Americans don't take well to the precautions they should be doing.

Open your eyes and look around at the parties and beaches and bars etc... I see these dumb@sses everywhere no masks crowded up together on and on. I wear my mask and stay away from the dummies.

I'm not saying that Trump did everything right, but to tag all of this on him is stupid partisanship.

Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count

These two measures were raised in President Trump's interview this week with journalist Jonathan Swan on Axios on HBO. Here's what these statistics reveal about a country's response to the pandemic.

www.npr.org

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/europe-has-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita

yes, stupid American republicans act very stupid in very predictable ways.

You're not helping your case.

 

[cytg111]

Just think if anyone else was in office no one would have died from Covid-19.

Its like slow some2 and greek share the same account... its the same anti bright drivel that spills from them...

 

[nickqt]

Because Americans don't take well to the precautions they should be doing.

Open your eyes and look around at the parties and beaches and bars etc... I see these dumb@sses everywhere no masks crowded up together on and on. I wear my mask and stay away from the dummies.

I'm not saying that Trump did everything right, but to tag all of this on him is stupid partisanship.

Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count

These two measures were raised in President Trump's interview this week with journalist Jonathan Swan on Axios on HBO. Here's what these statistics reveal about a country's response to the pandemic.

www.npr.org

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/europe-has-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita

Inconsequential, random man named Donald Trump actively encourages all of it.

It's of no matter.

Donald Trump? Never heard of him.

 

[pcgeek11]

yes, stupid American republicans act very stupid in very predictable ways.

You're not helping your case.

LOL, Yeah it's only republicans ignoring safe practices.

 

[woolfe9998]

LOL, Yeah it's only republicans ignoring safe practices.

No, not only. But mostly, and by a very wide margin.

Public mask wearing: Always, Very Often, Sometimes, Rarely, Never

Republican	24	22	18	9	27
Independent	41	27	12	2	18
Democrat	61	33	4	1	1

Americans' Face Mask Usage Varies Greatly by Demographics

Although a broad majority of Americans are wearing masks in public at least very often, fewer are doing so all the time as recommended by the CDC and other health officials.

news.gallup.com

In case you are lazy or math challenged, 46% of republicans wear masks in public "always" or "very often." Compared to 94% of democrats. That's a 48 point spread.

It should also go without saying that when one is cautious in a particular way, they are more likely to also be cautious in other ways, particularly in regard to the same risk (COVID in this case). And vice versa.

Yet other data also backs this up. Dems are more than twice as likely to say they intend to vote by mail this year, and more than twice as likely to say they may not vote if voting by mail is not an option.

This is not an American problem. It's a problem with American conservatives. Trump is a huge part of it right now. But it's also grounded in a perversion of libertarian ideology, the original principle being that everyone can do whatever they want so long as they don't harm others (called the non-aggression principle) having morphed into "FY I'll do whatever I want no matter who it harms."

That is the ugly truth about what American conservatism has become.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, not only. But mostly, and by a very wide margin.

Public mask wearing: Always, Very Often, Sometimes, Rarely, Never

Republican	24	22	18	9	27
Independent	41	27	12	2	18
Democrat	61	33	4	1	1

Americans' Face Mask Usage Varies Greatly by Demographics

Although a broad majority of Americans are wearing masks in public at least very often, fewer are doing so all the time as recommended by the CDC and other health officials.

news.gallup.com

In case you are lazy or math challenged, 46% of republicans wear masks in public "always" or "very often." Compared to 94% of democrats. That's a 48 point spread.

It should also go without saying that when one is cautious in a particular way, they are more likely to also be cautious in other ways. And vice versa.

But how accurate is that poll?

As it asked "How often do you wear a mask when outside your home? ". Lots of room for interpretation...

Does that mean when you step out into the yard?

I don't think many people wear a mask in the back yard of their house.

Anyway my comment was to Zins absurd comment above. I also don't place a lot of faith in that poll panel by political party. What does make more sense is the separation by region. Which is probably closer to the truth.

U.S. Region
Northeast	54	23	10	4	8
South	47	26	11	3	13
West	42	33	10	4	10
Midwest	33	29	11	4	23

 

[woolfe9998]

But how accurate is that poll?

As it asked "How often do you wear a mask when outside your home? ". Lots of room for interpretation...

Does that mean when you step out into the yard?

I don't think many people wear a mask in the back yard of their house.

Anyway my comment was to Zins absurd comment above. I also don't place a lot of faith in that poll panel by political party. What does make more sense is the separation by region. Which is probably closer to the truth.

U.S. Region
Northeast	54	23	10	4	8
South	47	26	11	3	13
West	42	33	10	4	10
Midwest	33	29	11	4	23

LOL that is the best you can do? How accurate is that poll?

Ambiguities like whether it applies to one's backyard are irrelevant here because there is a huge delta in responses between dems and reps to this question. If there are some people who misunderstand the question, there is no reason such confusion would affect one group more than the other. In other words, you haven't identified any supposed defect in the question that would bias the result in either direction.

Even if you had identified a question defect which could bias the result, which you have not, it's nigh impossible that it would bias the result by this much. You can't explain away this huge of a difference, a 48 point spread, by quibbling over the wording of the question.

 

[nickqt]

LOL that is the best you can do? How accurate is that poll?

Ambiguities like whether it applies to one's backyard are irrelevant here because there is a huge delta in responses between dems and reps to this question. If there are some people who misunderstand the question, there is no reason such confusion would affect one group more than the other. In other words, you haven't identified any supposed defect in the question that would bias the result in either direction.

Even if you had identified a question defect which could bias the result, which you have not, it's nigh impossible that it would bias the result by this much. You can't explain away this huge of a difference, a 48 point spread, by quibbling over the wording of the question.

Forever JAQing off.

Just asking questions

Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: "🤔🤔🤔"[1]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously...

rationalwiki.org

 

[pcgeek11]

LOL that is the best you can do? How accurate is that poll?

Ambiguities like whether it applies to one's backyard are irrelevant here because there is a huge delta in responses between dems and reps to this question. If there are some people who misunderstand the question, there is no reason such confusion would affect one group more than the other. In other words, you haven't identified any supposed defect in the question that would bias the result in either direction.

Even if you had identified a question defect which could bias the result, which you have not, it's nigh impossible that it would bias the result by this much. You can't explain away this huge of a difference, a 48 point spread, by quibbling over the wording of the question.

Not quibbling. It's just a poll...

 

[woolfe9998]

Not quibbling. It's just a poll...

A poll you decided to dismiss because you didn't like the result, because it blows your whole argument that being incautious in relation to COVID is an American thing, rather than mainly a conservative thing, out of the water.

Had the poll shown a result supporting your argument, I have this feeling you would have liked it a lot more.

 

[pcgeek11]

A poll you decided to dismiss because you didn't like the result, because it blows your whole argument that being incautious in relation to COVID is an American thing, rather than mainly a conservative thing, out of the water.

Had the poll shown a result supporting your argument, I have this feeling you would have liked it a lot more.

Then you would be wrong. These days I put no faith in any poll that uses a party affiliation as everything is so partisan. And as I also stated the poll by region makes more sense.

 

[Pohemi]

LOL, Yeah it's only republicans ignoring safe practices.

But how accurate is that poll?

You are a goddamn moron, truly.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are a goddamn moron, truly.

All about the feels.

 

[brycejones]

Then you would be wrong. These days I put no faith in any poll that uses a party affiliation as everything is so partisan. And as I also stated the poll by region makes more sense.

Funny though that those regions also happen to roughly correlate to being more Republican (south and Midwest) or Democratic leaning (West and northeast). Which regions again have higher rates of mask wearing?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then you would be wrong. These days I put no faith in any poll that uses a party affiliation as everything is so partisan. And as I also stated the poll by region makes more sense.

You discount your own hand waving away in this statement. it's because it's so partisan that party affiliation is an important measurement.

 

[fskimospy]

Because Americans don't take well to the precautions they should be doing.

Open your eyes and look around at the parties and beaches and bars etc... I see these dumb@sses everywhere no masks crowded up together on and on. I wear my mask and stay away from the dummies.

I'm not saying that Trump did everything right, but to tag all of this on him is stupid partisanship.

Charts: How The U.S. Ranks On COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita — And By Case Count

These two measures were raised in President Trump's interview this week with journalist Jonathan Swan on Axios on HBO. Here's what these statistics reveal about a country's response to the pandemic.

www.npr.org

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/europe-has-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita

You linked an article from nearly three months ago. The US has significantly more COVID deaths per capita now.

Trump is a big reason why significant numbers of Americans refuse common sense precautions like wearing masks. Don’t let your partisanship keep you from putting responsibility where it lies.

 

[fskimospy]

Then you would be wrong. These days I put no faith in any poll that uses a party affiliation as everything is so partisan. And as I also stated the poll by region makes more sense.

You’re dismissing it because you don’t like what it says. Lie to us all you want but at least be honest with yourself.

Conservatives are the problem.

 

[Pohemi]

Still not finding large gatherings of Democrats and liberals refusing to wear masks or distance for no better reason than, "to trigger the cons". Interesting.

 

[SMOGZINN]

But how accurate is that poll?

As it asked "How often do you wear a mask when outside your home? ". Lots of room for interpretation...

Does that mean when you step out into the yard?

I don't think many people wear a mask in the back yard of their house.

Unless you have some reason to believe that Republicans would misunderstand the question at significantly higher rates than Democrats it would not matter because we would expect that the misunderstanding would be evenly distributed.

 

[Jhhnn]

You’re dismissing it because you don’t like what it says. Lie to us all you want but at least be honest with yourself.

Conservatives are the problem.

48 point spread... and Geek questions the accuracy of the poll. Sweet mother of God.

 

[MtnMan]

Speculation at best.

Your inability to understand that your 'dear leader' is a fucking moron, and has killed 10's of thousands as a direct result of his utter incompetence and stunning ignorance, a trait you seem to share with him.

The US which is only 4% of the worlds population accounts for 25% of cases.
The US which is only 4% of the worlds population accounts for 14% of deaths.

The man should be tried for dereliction of duty and face a firing squad. Yet fucking idiots still sing his praises and swoon like middle school girls over a teen idol.

 

[MtnMan]

Conservatives are the problem.

Are you operating under the belief that Trump is a conservative? He is many negative things, but being a conservative is not one of them.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you operating under the belief that Trump is a conservative? He is many negative things, but being a conservative is not one of them.

Regardless of whether Trump is conservative or not, those who are commonly understood as conservatives in America overwhelmingly support him.

Trump is a symptom, conservatives are the disease.

 

[Paratus]

Then you would be wrong. These days I put no faith in any poll that uses a party affiliation as everything is so partisan. And as I also stated the poll by region makes more sense.

Everything is so partisan? Like wearing masks?

 

[pcgeek11]

You linked an article from nearly three months ago. The US has significantly more COVID deaths per capita now.

Trump is a big reason why significant numbers of Americans refuse common sense precautions like wearing masks. Don’t let your partisanship keep you from putting responsibility where it lies.

The US News article was a bit dated, but the NPR Article is dated: August 5, 2020 6:15 PM ET.