Pot is safer then booze

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

Check out the current auctions from just the US Marshalls service.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/sales.htm

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: CKent

"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

Sigh just because someone is wary of buying any type of drug off the street doesn't mean one believes in the drug war propaganda crap they spoon feed you. I'm as anti drug war as the next guy I'm just a newb and a pussy when it comes to this kind of thing and I also know that NOT all the stories of spiked drugs are lies. Face it the VAST majority of Joe Everybodys who smoke pot buy it off of a friend of a friend. They don't tend to do down to the corner of skid and row to buy it off the local skin head. My point is I don't know any such friends. Which is saying something considering I live in the most pot friendly city on the face of the planet!

Vancouver... dear god that's like a blind man with no penis getting to marry Jessica Alba. I am jealous

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

I'm assuming that a hell of a lot of that is the street value of the drugs they seized. Are you saying that they are making a profit on these seizures?

 

[AmdEmAll]

Anything that makes you think outside the box must be illegal :disgust:

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: CKent

"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

Sigh just because someone is wary of buying any type of drug off the street doesn't mean one believes in the drug war propaganda crap they spoon feed you. I'm as anti drug war as the next guy I'm just a newb and a pussy when it comes to this kind of thing and I also know that NOT all the stories of spiked drugs are lies. Face it the VAST majority of Joe Everybodys who smoke pot buy it off of a friend of a friend. They don't tend to do down to the corner of skid and row to buy it off the local skin head. My point is I don't know any such friends. Which is saying something considering I live in the most pot friendly city on the face of the planet!

Vancouver... dear god that's like a blind man with no penis getting to marry Jessica Alba. I am jealous

Haha lol I guess. Like I was saying though I'm a virgin when it comes to this kind of thing. At some point I really would like to try pot but I'm in no huge rush right now. So come what come may.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

I'm assuming that a hell of a lot of that is the street value of the drugs they seized. Are you saying that they are making a profit on these seizures?

Likely not, however it is substantial enough that the program may be largely paying for itself.

That figure doesn't even include dept of treasury actions which is where id imagine the vast majority of the money is seized.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll
Anything that makes you think outside the box must be illegal :disgust:

<Red eyed, speech slurred, stoner> Oh SHIT there's a BOX!! No way man... now it all makes sense!!! </Red eyed, speech slurred, stoner>

*reaches to try to take lid off invisible box*

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

I'm assuming that a hell of a lot of that is the street value of the drugs they seized. Are you saying that they are making a profit on these seizures?

Likely not, however it is substantial enough that the program may be largely paying for itself.

That figure doesn't even include dept of treasury actions which is where id imagine the vast majority of the money is seized.

Umm yeah forgive me if I take that with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[BW86]

this is already widely known

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

I'm assuming that a hell of a lot of that is the street value of the drugs they seized. Are you saying that they are making a profit on these seizures?

Likely not, however it is substantial enough that the program may be largely paying for itself.

That figure doesn't even include dept of treasury actions which is where id imagine the vast majority of the money is seized.

Umm yeah forgive me if I take that with a HUGE grain of salt.

I'm just playing devils advocate really, i support legalizing it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Not if you include money spent on incarcerating people for mainly pot related "crimes". Not by a long shot! The money spent on criminalizing pot on all fronts, policing, judicial, incarceration, political, "educational", militarily, it ads up to a RIDICULOUS amount!!

I can't find anything that current, but im sure its much greater than this amount today.

In a single year, fiscal year 1994, the DEA alone made 13,631 seizures with a total value of $646,786,850.00.

Check out the current auctions from just the US Marshalls service.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/sales.htm

Uhh... Clinton signed the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act in 2000, which brought that to a screeching halt. They still occur, but typically only post-conviction now that the burden of evidence is on the state.

The US Marshals Service is part of the Dept of Treasury, and so much of their auctions are from tax seizures.

 

[Muse]

Grist for the mill:

If I were going to meet two people and was told one was a habitual pot smoker and the other a habitual drinker, I'd expect a much more together person, probably more interesting person in the pot smoker.

 

[JohnCU]

mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

Unless its a hair test then just drink a marijuana detox drink before each test.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

Unless its a hair test then just drink a marijuana detox drink before each test.

they're random

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

What do you do?

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

What do you do?

electrical engineer with a little nuclear engineer on the side

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

What do you do?

electrical engineer with a little nuclear engineer on the side

Did I hear you say nuclear engineer? As in OMG WTF did we just do we're all FUCKED Nuclear? Or as in low energy medial / particle physics applicable nuclear?

 

[SonnyDaze]

Bud vs Bud?

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

What do you do?

electrical engineer with a little nuclear engineer on the side

Did I hear you say nuclear engineer? As in OMG WTF did we just do we're all FUCKED Nuclear? Or as in low energy medial / particle physics applicable nuclear?

:evil: boiling water reactor

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: JohnCU
mmmmm marijuana

if i didn't have drug tests i'd smoke instead of drink

What do you do?

electrical engineer with a little nuclear engineer on the side

Did I hear you say nuclear engineer? As in OMG WTF did we just do we're all FUCKED Nuclear? Or as in low energy medial / particle physics applicable nuclear?

:evil: boiling water reactor

Seriously?! How does that pay? How do you like the job?

Do you get to work with any of the "Oh my god we're all fucked" equipment?

I'm not anti nuclear in any way really but the pressurized nature of boiling water reactors would make me edgy to be around them.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Seriously?! How does that pay? How do you like the job?

Do you get to work with any of the "Oh my god we're all fucked" equipment?

I'm not anti nuclear in any way really but the pressurized nature of boiling water reactors would make me edgy to be around them.

pays pretty well, you start off high but then just kind of plateau. i like the job but the paperwork sucks (but it's just the way it has to be). by "all fucked" equipment i assume you mean safety significant systems like diesels, high pressure coolant injection system, etc. i work on the neutron monitoring system. counts all the neutrons :evil:

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Seriously?! How does that pay? How do you like the job?

Do you get to work with any of the "Oh my god we're all fucked" equipment?

I'm not anti nuclear in any way really but the pressurized nature of boiling water reactors would make me edgy to be around them.

pays pretty well, you start off high but then just kind of plateau. i like the job but the paperwork sucks (but it's just the way it has to be). by "all fucked" equipment i assume you mean safety significant systems like diesels, high pressure coolant injection system, etc. i work on the neutron monitoring system. counts all the neutrons :evil:

Huh like this stuff:

http://74.125.155.132/search?q...tem&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Neato. I'd still feel antsy working anywhere near the pressurized reactor vessel. I've always been nervous around pressurized systems of any sort.

 

[JohnCU]

yep, that's it.

it's only 1035~ PSIG

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Assuming the costs on a pack of 20 joints would be similar to the cost of a pack of cigarettes (around $1 raw cost, and that is a high estimate), you could very easily sell a pack for $5 retail with $15 tax added on for a total of $20.

I don't know anyone who would complain about paying $20 for 20 high-quality joints.

There would be enough profit for the manufacturers ($1 -> $5 = 400% markup), and for the government ($5 -> $20 = 300% markup). Nobody would be in jail for pot, so also throw in (-$60,000) * (1.5 million prisoners) = $90B per year. Not to mention you could downsize the police force and the court system.

I dunno, keeping it illegal doesn't make fiscal sense to me. And, for the record, I do not smoke, but I would like the amount I pay in taxes to go down.