Pot is safer then booze

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

I dunno, keeping it illegal doesn't make fiscal sense to me. And, for the record, I do not smoke, but I would like the amount I pay in taxes to go down.

i dont see that happening but at least theres a chance the deficit level wouldnt increase as badly. thats something.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Assuming the costs on a pack of 20 joints would be similar to the cost of a pack of cigarettes (around $1 raw cost, and that is a high estimate), you could very easily sell a pack for $5 retail with $15 tax added on for a total of $20.

I don't know anyone who would complain about paying $20 for 20 high-quality joints.

There would be enough profit for the manufacturers ($1 -> $5 = 400% markup), and for the government ($5 -> $20 = 300% markup). Nobody would be in jail for pot, so also throw in (-$60,000) * (1.5 million prisoners) = $90B per year. Not to mention you could downsize the police force and the court system.

I dunno, keeping it illegal doesn't make fiscal sense to me. And, for the record, I do not smoke, but I would like the amount I pay in taxes to go down.

To be fair I don't think a lot of people end up in jail for simple possession. No doubt a lot of money is spent just booking them and stuff like that, though.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: Regs
America is too good for that Shiznet get over it.

that's cause ur puffin on the regs,

puff on this

guarantee you change ur mind.

That looks absolutely wonderful!!! Been many years since I have seen bud that good. I quite about 10 years ago. Is that good stuff prolific these days?

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

 

[se7en]

Originally posted by: sao123

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Are strippers considered immoral? If they are then I disagree 100%.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Acanthus
The government makes a lot more from property forfeiture and seizing assets than they would from taxing it.

Assuming the costs on a pack of 20 joints would be similar to the cost of a pack of cigarettes (around $1 raw cost, and that is a high estimate), you could very easily sell a pack for $5 retail with $15 tax added on for a total of $20.

I don't know anyone who would complain about paying $20 for 20 high-quality joints.

There would be enough profit for the manufacturers ($1 -> $5 = 400% markup), and for the government ($5 -> $20 = 300% markup). Nobody would be in jail for pot, so also throw in (-$60,000) * (1.5 million prisoners) = $90B per year. Not to mention you could downsize the police force and the court system.

I dunno, keeping it illegal doesn't make fiscal sense to me. And, for the record, I do not smoke, but I would like the amount I pay in taxes to go down.

You get your damned logic out of this thread! Where do you get off coming in here with the balls to use common sense? How dare you!

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: CKent

"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

Sigh just because someone is wary of buying any type of drug off the street doesn't mean one believes in the drug war propaganda crap they spoon feed you. I'm as anti drug war as the next guy I'm just a newb and a pussy when it comes to this kind of thing and I also know that NOT all the stories of spiked drugs are lies. Face it the VAST majority of Joe Everybodys who smoke pot buy it off of a friend of a friend. They don't tend to do down to the corner of skid and row to buy it off the local skin head. My point is I don't know any such friends. Which is saying something considering I live in the most pot friendly city on the face of the planet!

Vancouver... dear god that's like a blind man with no penis getting to marry Jessica Alba. I am jealous

Haha lol I guess. Like I was saying though I'm a virgin when it comes to this kind of thing. At some point I really would like to try pot but I'm in no huge rush right now. So come what come may.

They call it Vansterdam for a reason you know. Unless you happen to hang out with a really odd crowd, you can get some just by asking your friends.

In addition to that, they also have pot delivery at home. A friend of mine went to work in Vancouver for a while and she telling me how you just call a guy, and he shows up at your place with a little suitcase from which you can pick and choose. Very Half Baked-like. I'm sure you'll be able to find their numbers in the same place you find numbers for escorts, like craigslist or in the back of the free indie magazines.

Finally, if all else fails, just go down to the UBC campus and ask the first person you see/smell toking up.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: sao123
there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

You should try it sometime, it's especially good for very uptight people. Our last 3 presidents smoked it.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: sao123
there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

You should try it sometime, it's especially good for very uptight people. Our last 3 presidents smoked it.

I used to be like Sao. There's no breaking his mindless brainwashing until you sucker him into doing it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Are you honestly basing your view on morality on what the government tells you is legal or not? In other words it's "moral" to kill a bunch of people in a faraway country that ends up being an ally a few years after the war, but it's immoral to share a joint with them?

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

Now if you become an alcoholic then that is a disorder.
There is no such thing as a potaholic because it isn't addictive. It may seem like someone is "addicted" if they are doing it every waking moment...but really in most of those cases it is because that person is using pot to mask another problem/disorder in their life. That person could stop cold turkey and would have no withdrawals while an alcoholic would.

That's a gross misconception. Weed can very easily be addictive. Statistically, it's less addictive than alcohol(which works on your brain's opiates), but weed does work on your dopaminergic system, which does create a conditioned craving for weed.
This also explains why many people cannot quit without getting withdrawals that manifests as anxiety attacks.
http://www.google.com/search?h...+anxiety&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do think the addiction is psychological after trying different ways of thinking that resulted in withdrawals and no withdrawals. But psychologically, you could get yourself physically dependant.
When I first got withdrawals, I smoked weed before I did just about anything(eating, sleeping, sex, watching movies, games), with the mindset that, oh this would be so much better with a hit. Soon enough, I had to smoke just to do any of those things normally.
It quickly stopped being fun after reaching that point, and I tried to quit. I had a week of anxiety attacks, no appetite, and insomnia. It felt like I was constantly running but I couldn't stop to rest.
After I quit that mindset, I was able to quit easily after the same amount of smoking I did before without any withdrawals at all.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

Now if you become an alcoholic then that is a disorder.
There is no such thing as a potaholic because it isn't addictive. It may seem like someone is "addicted" if they are doing it every waking moment...but really in most of those cases it is because that person is using pot to mask another problem/disorder in their life. That person could stop cold turkey and would have no withdrawals while an alcoholic would.

That's a gross misconception. Weed can very easily be addictive. Statistically, it's less addictive than alcohol(which works on your brain's opiates), but weed does work on your dopaminergic system, which does create a conditioned craving for weed.
This also explains why many people cannot quit without getting withdrawals that manifests as anxiety attacks.
http://www.google.com/search?h...+anxiety&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do think the addiction is psychological after trying different ways of thinking that resulted in withdrawals and no withdrawals. But psychologically, you could get yourself physically dependant.
When I first got withdrawals, I smoked weed before I did just about anything(eating, sleeping, sex, watching movies, games), with the mindset that, oh this would be so much better with a hit. Soon enough, I had to smoke just to do any of those things normally.
It quickly stopped being fun after reaching that point, and I tried to quit. I had a week of anxiety attacks, no appetite, and insomnia. It felt like I was constantly running but I couldn't stop to rest.
After I quit that mindset, I was able to quit easily after the same amount of smoking I did before without any withdrawals at all.

In other words, no different than being addicted to World of Warcraft, food or television.

And yeah, his comment on morality was hilarious. I guess in the '50s it was immoral for a black person to drink from a whites-only water fountain :laugh:

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Illegal - can be legal with the purchase of a weed card in my state

Unhealthy - If you are smoking it with a vaporizer then it is completely healthy.

Immoral - LOL? I present to you the tool of the month award.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

Now if you become an alcoholic then that is a disorder.
There is no such thing as a potaholic because it isn't addictive. It may seem like someone is "addicted" if they are doing it every waking moment...but really in most of those cases it is because that person is using pot to mask another problem/disorder in their life. That person could stop cold turkey and would have no withdrawals while an alcoholic would.

That's a gross misconception. Weed can very easily be addictive. Statistically, it's less addictive than alcohol(which works on your brain's opiates), but weed does work on your dopaminergic system, which does create a conditioned craving for weed.
This also explains why many people cannot quit without getting withdrawals that manifests as anxiety attacks.
http://www.google.com/search?h...+anxiety&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do think the addiction is psychological after trying different ways of thinking that resulted in withdrawals and no withdrawals. But psychologically, you could get yourself physically dependant.
When I first got withdrawals, I smoked weed before I did just about anything(eating, sleeping, sex, watching movies, games), with the mindset that, oh this would be so much better with a hit. Soon enough, I had to smoke just to do any of those things normally.
It quickly stopped being fun after reaching that point, and I tried to quit. I had a week of anxiety attacks, no appetite, and insomnia. It felt like I was constantly running but I couldn't stop to rest.
After I quit that mindset, I was able to quit easily after the same amount of smoking I did before without any withdrawals at all.

In other words, no different than being addicted to World of Warcraft, food or television.

And yeah, his comment on morality was hilarious. I guess in the '50s it was immoral for a black person to drink from a whites-only water fountain :laugh:

Well said...you can get addicted to pretty much anything. There is even an addiction for sun tanning lol.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

Now if you become an alcoholic then that is a disorder.
There is no such thing as a potaholic because it isn't addictive. It may seem like someone is "addicted" if they are doing it every waking moment...but really in most of those cases it is because that person is using pot to mask another problem/disorder in their life. That person could stop cold turkey and would have no withdrawals while an alcoholic would.

That's a gross misconception. Weed can very easily be addictive. Statistically, it's less addictive than alcohol(which works on your brain's opiates), but weed does work on your dopaminergic system, which does create a conditioned craving for weed.
This also explains why many people cannot quit without getting withdrawals that manifests as anxiety attacks.
http://www.google.com/search?h...+anxiety&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

But I do think the addiction is psychological after trying different ways of thinking that resulted in withdrawals and no withdrawals. But psychologically, you could get yourself physically dependant.
When I first got withdrawals, I smoked weed before I did just about anything(eating, sleeping, sex, watching movies, games), with the mindset that, oh this would be so much better with a hit. Soon enough, I had to smoke just to do any of those things normally.
It quickly stopped being fun after reaching that point, and I tried to quit. I had a week of anxiety attacks, no appetite, and insomnia. It felt like I was constantly running but I couldn't stop to rest.
After I quit that mindset, I was able to quit easily after the same amount of smoking I did before without any withdrawals at all.

In other words, no different than being addicted to World of Warcraft, food or television.

And yeah, his comment on morality was hilarious. I guess in the '50s it was immoral for a black person to drink from a whites-only water fountain :laugh:

But has anyone gotten a week long worth of anxiety attacks and insomnia over WoW, food, or TV? Doubt it.

Worst I've seen was a few minutes worth of convulsions, sodomizing arse with remote, and screaming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc&feature=fvst

 

[Nik]

It's not the "thing" you get addicted to. It's having an addictive personality and just finding something to fit the hole. Remove that one item the person is addicted to and they'll find something else to become addicted to. It's on a per-person basis. That's why some people can smoke pot and leave it while the guy next to him can put the pipe down.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: astroidea
But has anyone gotten a week long worth of anxiety attacks and insomnia over WoW, food, or TV? Doubt it.

Worst I've seen was a few minutes worth of convulsions, sodomizing arse with remote, and screaming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc&feature=fvst

I didn't get anxiety attacks when I quit smoking pot. I also managed to avoid self-sodomization with a remote control. When I quit smoking cigarettes, it was a very different story :laugh: Er... I mean about the anxiety.... really.... *changes the channel by sneezing*

About 10 or 15 years ago a windstorm knocked our satellite dish off our roof. It was night time and about 25-30 degrees fahrenheit out. My mother, the worst tv addict I've ever come across, yelled and screamed at my stepfather until he went up on the roof, in just a t-shirt and shorts (it was still very windy) to fix it.

We've all seen or heard of people who weigh 500-1000 pounds or more. Withdrawl effects for that one include death :laugh: But seriously, I'd have to say it's a bit more dangerous to be hugely overweight than to smoke pot. Just a bit.

Originally posted by: Nik
It's not the "thing" you get addicted to. It's having an addictive personality and just finding something to fit the hole. Remove that one item the person is addicted to and they'll find something else to become addicted to. It's on a per-person basis. That's why some people can smoke pot and leave it while the guy next to him can put the pipe down.

Yes. This is why criminalization doesn't work, it avoids the root cause of the problem.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Are you honestly basing your view on morality on what the government tells you is legal or not? In other words it's "moral" to kill a bunch of people in a faraway country that ends up being an ally a few years after the war, but it's immoral to share a joint with them?

my "morality" is based on what my king james bible tell me.
I dont need drugs, I dont need to be drunk, I dont need a prostitute.
I still have plenty of fun.

get over yourselves.

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Pot is bad because it's illegal, and illegal because it's bad.

Any you are a gangbang baby so what's your point besides the top of your head ?

I would rather ride with a stoned driver over a drunk one any day of the week...:thumbsup:

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Are you honestly basing your view on morality on what the government tells you is legal or not? In other words it's "moral" to kill a bunch of people in a faraway country that ends up being an ally a few years after the war, but it's immoral to share a joint with them?

my "morality" is based on what my king james bible tell me.
I dont need drugs, I dont need to be drunk, I dont need a prostitute.
I still have plenty of fun.

get over yourselves.

Before hiding behind your fallible bible and plugging your ears....have you ever thought that maybe God put marijuana here for us to enjoy? Surely he wasn't just about all work and no play.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Uptight much?

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Are you honestly basing your view on morality on what the government tells you is legal or not? In other words it's "moral" to kill a bunch of people in a faraway country that ends up being an ally a few years after the war, but it's immoral to share a joint with them?

my "morality" is based on what my king james bible tell me.
I dont need drugs, I dont need to be drunk, I dont need a prostitute.
I still have plenty of fun.

get over yourselves.

Before hiding behind your fallible bible and plugging your ears....have you ever thought that maybe God put marijuana here for us to enjoy? Surely he wasn't just about all work and no play.

as im sure he put prostitutes here for you to enjoy... but only those who abstain will inherit his kingdom.

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: Regs
America is too good for that Shiznet get over it.

that's cause ur puffin on the regs,

puff on this

guarantee you change ur mind.

That looks absolutely wonderful!!! Been many years since I have seen bud that good. I quite about 10 years ago. Is that good stuff prolific these days?

haha no way sir, that came from cali medical club all the way to the FL, thats a 9/10 and its a ,very dense but definite one hitter quitter.

that stuff comes around once or twice a year in my area if your lucky, and its expensive.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: IGBT
the desire to intoxicate and play yoyo with brain chemistry is a mental disorder. if you get high, you have a problem you need to deal with.

Mental disorder?

It's called having fun.

there are plenty of other ways of having fun which are substance free.
It is possible to have fun without things which are illegal, unhealthy, and immoral.

Uptight much?

You guys get indignant that he judges your lifestyle and then turn right around and judge his, heh.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: Regs
America is too good for that Shiznet get over it.

that's cause ur puffin on the regs,

puff on this

guarantee you change ur mind.

That looks absolutely wonderful!!! Been many years since I have seen bud that good. I quite about 10 years ago. Is that good stuff prolific these days?

haha no way sir, that came from cali medical club all the way to the FL, thats a 9/10 and its a ,very dense but definite one hitter quitter.

that stuff comes around once or twice a year in my area if your lucky, and its expensive.

Happy to live by said cali medical clubs