Pot is safer then booze

[Heller]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Heller

so can somebody please explain to me why the govern doesn't legalized it, tax it and make a profit of this "illegal" drug?

The main arguement I hear is the social cost of legalizing it would be so high. Yeah we can tax it but how many health related expenses are we going to encounter? Just look at booze as an example how many DUI's are out there and how many people die every year from doing stupid shit while drinking. When used in moderation it might be ok just like beer but we all know there are going to be tons of people that abuse it (and already do).

You cant overdose believe me I've tried.

and i drive stoned and drive while getting stoned, call it irresponsible but if anything pot encourages me not to speed, im just alot more relaxed and calm..

Nobody should ever drive under the influence, period. Enjoy your pot but please please please do not drive while impaired.

its only on long trips (like south florida to fsu, sorry but i cannot sit in a car 9 hours without smoking a bowl.

You CAN, you just don't want to. And just because you want to doesn't make it any safer.

At this point I'm fine if they legalize pot. But EVERYONE who drives under the influence should be penalized to the fullest extent of the law. Nobody has the right to put others at risk like that.

so if john smokes a blunt, you expect to john to wait the 3 hours or however long it is to get back in his car and drive home? no way pot is not like booze in which you cannot function a vehicle, being high vs being drunk is two complete different things



and remember, its illegal to get high, not be high.

 

[Auryg]

I'm sick of idiots that think because something is unlikely to kill them it isn't bad for them. Since when is death the only bad thing that can happen to a person?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Heller
so if john smokes a blunt, you expect to john to wait the 3 hours or however long it is to get back in his car and drive home? no way pot is not like booze in which you cannot function a vehicle, being high vs being drunk is two complete different things

I'm a toker and I won't get in the car or drive with anyone who's under the influence of drugs or alcohol at all. You're driving around a 4,000lb death machine. Anything other than 100% sober and awake means you shouldn't be driving.

and remember, its illegal to get high, not be high.

Link federal law that states this. :laugh:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Heller

and remember, its illegal to get high, not be high.[/b]

Uh...what? You can get arrested for public intoxication and "under the influence of a controlled substance" all day.

lol @ stoner thread.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Heller

so can somebody please explain to me why the govern doesn't legalized it, tax it and make a profit of this "illegal" drug?

The main arguement I hear is the social cost of legalizing it would be so high. Yeah we can tax it but how many health related expenses are we going to encounter? Just look at booze as an example how many DUI's are out there and how many people die every year from doing stupid shit while drinking. When used in moderation it might be ok just like beer but we all know there are going to be tons of people that abuse it (and already do).

You cant overdose believe me I've tried.

and i drive stoned and drive while getting stoned, call it irresponsible but if anything pot encourages me not to speed, im just alot more relaxed and calm..

Nobody should ever drive under the influence, period. Enjoy your pot but please please please do not drive while impaired.

its only on long trips (like south florida to fsu, sorry but i cannot sit in a car 9 hours without smoking a bowl.

You CAN, you just don't want to. And just because you want to doesn't make it any safer.

At this point I'm fine if they legalize pot. But EVERYONE who drives under the influence should be penalized to the fullest extent of the law. Nobody has the right to put others at risk like that.

so if john smokes a blunt, you expect to john to wait the 3 hours or however long it is to get back in his car and drive home? no way pot is not like booze in which you cannot function a vehicle, being high vs being drunk is two complete different things



and remember, its illegal to get high, not be high.

Yes, I expect anyone under the influence to wait until they are not drunk or high to drive. It is one of the conditions of the privilege of having a license. That it is not convenient is not a factor.

You may be less impaired when high than when drunk but that doesn't mean you are NOT impaired. DO NOT DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: OCguy
lol @ stoner thread.

See, this is what I hate. Guys like Heller just perpetuate the stupid stoner stereotype. Not all stoners are retarded. Really, I promise.

 

[Sumguy]

Originally posted by: Heller
and remember, its illegal to get high, not be high.[/b]

lulz

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Heller
so if john smokes a blunt, you expect to john to wait the 3 hours or however long it is to get back in his car and drive home? no way pot is not like booze in which you cannot function a vehicle, being high vs being drunk is two complete different things

Ah, this discussion was brought up around this time last year. What was it? You're hyper-aware, and hence, a better driver when hopped-up?

 

[Heller]

if i have nothing on me, i can walk around high as a kite, red eyes an dilated pupils and all, there is no %100 method out there that can prove you smoke mary jane 15 minutes earlier. if you can't control your high then you have no excuse to be getting high, but if you don't use it as an excuse, then honestly nobody should give a fuck.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: se7en

Originally posted by: Heller

so can somebody please explain to me why the govern doesn't legalized it, tax it and make a profit of this "illegal" drug?

The main arguement I hear is the social cost of legalizing it would be so high. Yeah we can tax it but how many health related expenses are we going to encounter? Just look at booze as an example how many DUI's are out there and how many people die every year from doing stupid shit while drinking. When used in moderation it might be ok just like beer but we all know there are going to be tons of people that abuse it (and already do).

You cant overdose believe me I've tried.

and i drive stoned and drive while getting stoned, call it irresponsible but if anything pot encourages me not to speed, im just alot more relaxed and calm..

Nobody should ever drive under the influence, period. Enjoy your pot but please please please do not drive while impaired.

its only on long trips (like south florida to fsu, sorry but i cannot sit in a car 9 hours without smoking a bowl.

You CAN, you just don't want to. And just because you want to doesn't make it any safer.

At this point I'm fine if they legalize pot. But EVERYONE who drives under the influence should be penalized to the fullest extent of the law. Nobody has the right to put others at risk like that.

exactly this.

im a firm believer in "do what you want in your own home" so long as it doesnt infringe on the rights or safety of others. thats just irresponsible and immature.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Heller
if i have nothing on me, i can walk around high as a kite, red eyes an dilated pupils and all, there is no %100 method out there that can prove you smoke mary jane 15 minutes earlier. if you can't control your high then you have no excuse to be getting high, but if you don't use it as an excuse, then honestly nobody should give a fuck.

Walk around all you want.

Get behind the wheel and I hope somebody notices and makes a phone call.

 

[Eli]

I don't condone being under the influence of anything and driving. It's not a good idea.

That said, it's just not comparable to drinking and driving. Not even in the slightest. Paranoia is part of the marijuana high. This makes you drive slower and more cautious. It also heightens your senses. It feels like you're driving faster than you are. Hence the stereotypical stoner going 25 in a 50.

All of this goes out the window when you're drunk. You feel invincible. It's quite the opposite with marijuana, you feel vulnerable.

In the real world, it's just not a fair comparison.

I would be much more worried about all the drivers hopped up on OTC cold medicine and prescription pain killers. Seriously, think about that for a moment.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't condone being under the influence of anything and driving. It's not a good idea.

That said, it's just not comparable to drinking and driving. Not even in the slightest. Paranoia is part of the marijuana high. This makes you drive slower and more cautious. It also heightens your senses. It feels like you're driving faster than you are. Hence the stereotypical stoner going 25 in a 50.

All of this goes out the window when you're drunk. You feel invincible. It's quite the opposite with marijuana, you feel vulnerable.

In the real world, it's just not a fair comparison.

I would be much more worried about all the drivers hopped up on OTC cold medicine and prescription pain killers. Seriously, think about that for a moment.

Also illegal, also should not be driving, also can be prosecuted. Also can go to hell for risking somebody's life unnecessarily, in my book.

Oh, and alcohol and weed may not be a fair comparison but that doesn't worry me because that's not what I'm comparing. I'm comparing sobriety and weed, and that's not a fair comparison either, hence the reason why you shouldn't smoke up and drive.

 

[GiggleGirl]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't condone being under the influence of anything and driving. It's not a good idea.

That said, it's just not comparable to drinking and driving. Not even in the slightest. Paranoia is part of the marijuana high. This makes you drive slower and more cautious. It also heightens your senses. It feels like you're driving faster than you are. Hence the stereotypical stoner going 25 in a 50.

All of this goes out the window when you're drunk. You feel invincible. It's quite the opposite with marijuana, you feel vulnerable.

In the real world, it's just not a fair comparison.

I would be much more worried about all the drivers hopped up on OTC cold medicine and prescription pain killers. Seriously, think about that for a moment.

Also illegal, also should not be driving, also can be prosecuted. Also can go to hell for risking somebody's life unnecessarily, in my book.

Oh, and alcohol and weed may not be a fair comparison but that doesn't worry me because that's not what I'm comparing. I'm comparing sobriety and weed, and that's not a fair comparison either, hence the reason why you shouldn't smoke up and drive.

i dont want some fucker driving 25 in a 50! thats equally as dangerous as going 75 in a 50. everyone knows that

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Also illegal, also should not be driving, also can be prosecuted. Also can go to hell for risking somebody's life unnecessarily, in my book.

Oh, and alcohol and weed may not be a fair comparison but that doesn't worry me because that's not what I'm comparing. I'm comparing sobriety and weed, and that's not a fair comparison either, hence the reason why you shouldn't smoke up and drive.

Fair enough. And yes I realize that it's illegal and prosecutable, but nobody ever thinks about it or hears about it, and there are no tests for it. It goes on undetected, just like stoners driving.

Originally posted by: GiggleGirl
i dont want some fucker driving 25 in a 50! thats equally as dangerous as going 75 in a 50. everyone knows that

I disagree with your danger assessment, but like I said.. hence the stereotypical slow stoner driver.

10mph under would be a more realistic number.

When my girlfriend and I went on our trip to Colorado a few months ago, I kept it at 55MPH because we wanted to get good fuel economy. That means I was going 55mph in 75mph zones. I furiously disagree that my actions were endangering anybody.

And we averaged over 73MPG over the 1300 mile trip. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't condone being under the influence of anything and driving. It's not a good idea.

That said, it's just not comparable to drinking and driving. Not even in the slightest. Paranoia is part of the marijuana high. This makes you drive slower and more cautious. It also heightens your senses. It feels like you're driving faster than you are. Hence the stereotypical stoner going 25 in a 50.

All of this goes out the window when you're drunk. You feel invincible. It's quite the opposite with marijuana, you feel vulnerable.

In the real world, it's just not a fair comparison.

I would be much more worried about all the drivers hopped up on OTC cold medicine and prescription pain killers. Seriously, think about that for a moment.

glad im not the only one who feels that haha

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Heller

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't condone being under the influence of anything and driving. It's not a good idea.

That said, it's just not comparable to drinking and driving. Not even in the slightest. Paranoia is part of the marijuana high. This makes you drive slower and more cautious. It also heightens your senses. It feels like you're driving faster than you are. Hence the stereotypical stoner going 25 in a 50.

All of this goes out the window when you're drunk. You feel invincible. It's quite the opposite with marijuana, you feel vulnerable.

In the real world, it's just not a fair comparison.

I would be much more worried about all the drivers hopped up on OTC cold medicine and prescription pain killers. Seriously, think about that for a moment.

glad im not the only one who feels that haha

...as in you didn't know others feel the same way? As in you're not completely informed about the affects of the drug on yourself before you go putting other people's lives in danger?

Class, man. Class. :thumbsup:

 

[CKent]

Having used both extensively, alcohol really is the more dangerous of the two. It can screw with your coordination - I've been too drunk to walk. It can poison you - I've had so much I felt like shit for a week. It can lower your inhibitions, it can cause you do to embarassing things - I've ... uh...

Pot has none of these downsides.

"From personal experience, the people who "LOVE" pot and are all about smoking pot are actually the biggest losers" - Same with anything. The bigger a part of your life something is, the more you'll talk about it. The bigger a part of your life a drug is, the bigger the problem. With pot this a bit different - it's mostly due to the absurdity of its illegality, which forms a cameraderie among smokers. When most people refuse to see the obvious, those who do want to group together. This is also why atheists are so vocal.

"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

"The main arguement I hear is the social cost of legalizing it would be so high." - What's the social cost of incarcerating people whose crime only harms themselves, and debatably not even that? Do you know what prisons cost? Estimates are that it takes as much as $60,000 to incarcerate 1 person for 1 year, around twice the average American income. Now have a look at this -- text.

"What about the idiots trying to roll something up WHILE driving? What about the idiot parents who decide getting their 4 year old high is funny?"
What's stopping them now? Pot is everywhere, it's easier to get for people under 21 than alcohol. Regardless, it's safer than getting their 4 year old drunk. Overdosing is easy for very small people, such as children. But the lethal dose of pot is physically impossible to consume. It's something like a pound.

Prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol proved that 80 years ago. How stupid are we to try doing it again? Especially at the behest of William Randolf Hearst (may he rot in hell), who only wanted it illegal so his business would profit more?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: CKent
"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

Late into the first year I started smoking, I was sitting around a campfire with trusted friends. I took one hit, my vision turned white like a white out in a snow storm, and I passed out in a panic. I woke up about 5 minutes later on the ground next to the campfire (vision normal) with my friends going :Q not letting anyone else smoke it. I still don't know WTF it was

It happens.

 

[Heller]

Originally posted by: CKent
Having used both extensively, alcohol really is the more dangerous of the two. It can screw with your coordination - I've been too drunk to walk. It can poison you - I've had so much I felt like shit for a week. It can lower your inhibitions, it can cause you do to embarassing things - I've ... uh...

Pot has none of these downsides.

"From personal experience, the people who "LOVE" pot and are all about smoking pot are actually the biggest losers" - Same with anything. The bigger a part of your life something is, the more you'll talk about it. The bigger a part of your life a drug is, the bigger the problem. With pot this a bit different - it's mostly due to the absurdity of its illegality, which forms a cameraderie among smokers. When most people refuse to see the obvious, those who do want to group together. This is also why atheists are so vocal.

"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

"The main arguement I hear is the social cost of legalizing it would be so high." - What's the social cost of incarcerating people whose crime only harms themselves, and debatably not even that? Do you know what prisons cost? Estimates are that it takes as much as $60,000 to incarcerate 1 person for 1 year, around twice the average American income. Now have a look at this -- text.

"What about the idiots trying to roll something up WHILE driving? What about the idiot parents who decide getting their 4 year old high is funny?"
What's stopping them now? Pot is everywhere, it's easier to get for people under 21 than alcohol. Regardless, it's safer than getting their 4 year old drunk. Overdosing is easy for very small people, such as children. But the lethal dose of pot is physically impossible to consume. It's something like a pound.

Prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol proved that 80 years ago. How stupid are we to try doing it again? Especially at the behest of William Randolf Hearst (may he rot in hell), who only wanted it illegal so his business would profit more?

yeah i was just about to say that

 

[Mo0o]

Everybody should jsut shut the fuck up about it. No politician with any real influencei s going to get behind legislation to legalize pot because there's too much social stigma over it. It'd be career suicide. Smoke up all you want as long as you're not doing it behind the wheel and endangering others.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Everybody should jsut shut the fuck up about it. No politician with any real influencei s going to get behind legislation to legalize pot because there's too much social stigma over it. It'd be career suicide. Smoke up all you want as long as you're not doing it behind the wheel and endangering others.

States legalizing it proves you wrong about political sway. It will be legal eventually. It's just a matter of how long legislature and the general public choose to remain ignorant.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Everybody should jsut shut the fuck up about it. No politician with any real influencei s going to get behind legislation to legalize pot because there's too much social stigma over it. It'd be career suicide. Smoke up all you want as long as you're not doing it behind the wheel and endangering others.

States legalizing it proves you wrong about political sway. It will be legal eventually. It's just a matter of how long legislature and the general public choose to remain ignorant.

This takes awhile to correct. Do you think it'll happen in your lifetime?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: CKent
"You know I've never done pot. Would like to try it someday but don't know anyone I trust enough to take it from." -
Why, because the evil druggies like to lace pot with other drugs and dangerous chemicals? :roll: More drug-war propaganda, it's amazing how people believe everything they're told. In 7th grade my DARE officer told us that pot would make the boys grow breasts and the women grow beards. I knew it was bs, but then, I have a brain...

Late into the first year I started smoking, I was sitting around a campfire with trusted friends. I took one hit, my vision turned white like a white out in a snow storm, and I passed out in a panic. I woke up about 5 minutes later on the ground next to the campfire (vision normal) with my friends going :Q not letting anyone else smoke it. I still don't know WTF it was

It happens.

That's called a rush, and it means that you took a really, really good hit.

I've never actually blacked out like that, but having everything go dark for a few seconds and having to sit down means you know what you're doing.

Just FYI to everyone in this thread - I'm sober. I quit willingly not too long ago. I did it for my girlfriend. Not because she had anything against it - she would smoke with me. But because I think I'm a better person overall. I'm more "alive", energetic. My mood swings are also less dramatic, which was the main reason for quitting. I would get very angry and frustrated until I could smoke a bowl. I didn't like that.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Everybody should jsut shut the fuck up about it. No politician with any real influencei s going to get behind legislation to legalize pot because there's too much social stigma over it. It'd be career suicide. Smoke up all you want as long as you're not doing it behind the wheel and endangering others.

States legalizing it proves you wrong about political sway. It will be legal eventually. It's just a matter of how long legislature and the general public choose to remain ignorant.

This takes awhile to correct. Do you think it'll happen in your lifetime?

I'm not sure. It would certainly be nice