Polls show obamacare wave building against senate democrats

[First]

Different because people are getting a taste of the ACA and don't like it. Most Americans no longer support it.

Laugh out loud

Public is even split to slightly negative on a law that most haven't received perceivable benefits through yet, despite benefits like pre-existing conditions exclusion and up-to-26 coverage already affecting millions positively over the past 3 years.

By March of next year you'll see millions added to the private insurance and Medicaid rolls because of the ACA, and by then Republicans and conservatives will look completely out of touch and callous with talk of repeal, which they will no doubt drop as a political tool. Though it would be delicious and wonderful if they used ACA repeal again as a weapon, would be 2012 election and 2013 shutdown politics all over again.

 

[Texashiker]

Public is even split to slightly negative on a law that most haven't received perceivable benefits through yet (despite benefits like pre-existing conditions exclusion and up-to-26 coverage already affecting millions positively over the past 3 years).

Wait until the public has to start paying fines for not having healthcare.

Then lets see how many people like the aca.

The aca is like income tax. Your grandchild will curse us for allowing this law to pass.

 

[First]

Wait until the public has to start paying fines for not having healthcare.

Then lets see how many people like the aca.

The aca is like income tax. Your grandchild will curse us for allowing this law to pass.

Nah, nothing you said will come to pass and you'll be back here railing against Benghazi or some shit once your game is lost.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If having to pay higher premiums and deductible cause families and individuals to adapt their budgets and change their lifestyles they will blame the party that passed the bill that's causing their problems.

 

[Daverino]

If having to pay higher premiums and deductible cause families and individuals to adapt their budgets and change their lifestyles they will blame the party that passed the bill that's causing their problems.

You already DO pay higher premiums and deductibles because you subsidize every uninsured person in America that walks into a hospital and walks out without paying. You pay higher everything because a larger fraction of the American work force is unhealthy compared to other first world countries.

So take your pick. You can continue to subsidize an uninsured American's $100,000 hospital bill or start subsidizing an insured American's $1,000 premium.

 

[thraashman]

Wait until the public has to start paying fines for not having healthcare.

Then lets see how many people like the aca.

The aca is like income tax. Your grandchild will curse us for allowing this law to pass.

I literally don't know anyone who curses our grandparents' generation (probably YOUR grandparents, most of the rest of ours great grandparents) for letting income tax pass. Most people I know just accept it as something that is necessary. Then again, I don't spend time around those got the short straw when sanity was handed out.

 

[Texashiker]

Most people I know think it is necessary. Then again, I don't spend time around those got the short straw when sanity was handed out.

Are you sure you did not get the short straw on commonsense? Or the short straw on being able to think for yourself?

A rule in life, never vote to allow the government to increase taxes, ever.

 

[Matt1970]

Laugh out loud

Public is even split to slightly negative on a law that most haven't received perceivable benefits through yet, despite benefits like pre-existing conditions exclusion and up-to-26 coverage already affecting millions positively over the past 3 years.

By March of next year you'll see millions added to the private insurance and Medicaid rolls because of the ACA, and by then Republicans and conservatives will look completely out of touch and callous with talk of repeal, which they will no doubt drop as a political tool. Though it would be delicious and wonderful if they used ACA repeal again as a weapon, would be 2012 election and 2013 shutdown politics all over again.

Where do you see an even split?

 

[Genx87]

Laugh out loud

Public is even split to slightly negative on a law that most haven't received perceivable benefits through yet, despite benefits like pre-existing conditions exclusion and up-to-26 coverage already affecting millions positively over the past 3 years.

By March of next year you'll see millions added to the private insurance and Medicaid rolls because of the ACA, and by then Republicans and conservatives will look completely out of touch and callous with talk of repeal, which they will no doubt drop as a political tool. Though it would be delicious and wonderful if they used ACA repeal again as a weapon, would be 2012 election and 2013 shutdown politics all over again.

Check that, millions by March. How many millions oh wise one?

 

[shadow9d9]

liberals own this lock / stock and barrel. Their fingerprints are all over "Obama Care". Now they want to "abort" it like they do their kids. Trouble for them is..this liberal spawn won't flush in their low flow toilet.

1. There is only one "liberal" in congress... and that same person was not even ALLOWED to read his proposal to the senate.

2. Using the Republicans' 20 year old blueprint doesn't puts the fingerprints pretty equal.

 

[shadow9d9]

The ironic thing is you will be supporting him through your taxes until he's gone.

Considering our 2 endless occupations have already cost more than the ACA will cost over a 10 year period, and will continue to bleed us dry... on top of the most insanely bloated military budget in the world of 800 billion+, blaming Obama is outright laughable!

How many millions of americans have been helped by those occupations or having bases all over the world, while paying more than the next 10 countries combined for military budgets? Keep in mind that this includes China, which is surrounded on all sides by enemies, while having multiples of the size of the US...meanwhile, we are alone out here, with no enemies nearby, surrounded by the 2 largest bodies of water in the world...

 

[shadow9d9]

Check that, millions by March. How many millions oh wise one?

Too little signed up or too many? Can we get your answers down pat so we can hold you to them?

 

[Genx87]

Too little signed up or too many? Can we get your answers down pat so we can hold you to them?

No

 

[Daverino]

Where do you see an even split?

45/49 with a fair margin of error is pretty "even split to slightly negative" which is what was originally claimed. It's pretty obvious that there is no 'vast majority' opposed to the law by the poll you posted.

 

[First]

Check that, millions by March. How many millions oh wise one?

7M in private insurance, as originally anticipated, all despite website issues. Medicaid will be millions more though I don't know the precise numbers of eligible Medicaid recipients; it appears 3M is doable based on current pace, so 10M total. Politico just reported 30K signed up for the private ACA insurance in the most recent 2 days of available data, which roughly extrapolates to 2M if that pace is kept. Of course, since that pace will only quicken (if Medicare Part D and Massachusetts are any indication), it's not particularly difficult to see that 7M, with surges this month and in March 2014, those being the final months to sign up for coverage for their respective years.

No

How sad.

 

[Matt1970]

45/49 with a fair margin of error is pretty "even split to slightly negative" which is what was originally claimed. It's pretty obvious that there is no 'vast majority' opposed to the law by the poll you posted.

45/49 in an election is considered by some to be a landslide. Did you also see the question was asked in 4 ways pretty much evenly to the people polled? That gives you an average of 41 for the law and 52 against.

 

[Daverino]

45/49 in an election is considered by some to be a landslide. Did you also see the question was asked in 4 ways pretty much evenly to the people polled? That gives you an average of 41 for the law and 52 against.

Let me show you something about elections.

If recent election correlated with ACA approval polls this country would be as red as Stalin's USSR.

 

[shadow9d9]

Wait until the public has to start paying fines for not having healthcare.

Then lets see how many people like the aca.

The aca is like income tax. Your grandchild will curse us for allowing this law to pass.

Everyone should have insurance so that responsible people will not have to cover their ER bills when their insuranceless asses wind up in the ER.

If that causes anyone to curse, then they could rot in hell.

 

[Texashiker]

Everyone should have insurance so that responsible people will not have to cover their ER bills when their insuranceless asses wind up in the ER.

And the working poor who can neither afford to buy health insurance, nor provided through their job?

And what about the homeless and mentally ill who fall through the cracks?

 

[senseamp]

And the working poor who can neither afford to buy health insurance, nor provided through their job?

And what about the homeless and mentally ill who fall through the cracks?

That's why Obamacare has subsidies and Medicaid expansion. It's not rocket surgery.

 

[Texashiker]

That's why Obamacare has subsidies

Tell me about those subsidies. Do they help pay your bill every month?

 

[hal2kilo]

Tell me about those subsidies. Do they help pay your bill every month?

If he financially qualifies for it.

God you fill this site with your constant ingnorant BLATHER!

 

[Texashiker]

If he financially qualifies for it.

God you fill this site with your constant ingnorant BLATHER!

My wife and I would not qualify for subsidies, so I know nothing about how that part of the health care law is going to work.

So you apply for the subside, and then what? The government pays part of the monthly bill.

And what is the cut off point in ratio to the poverty line?

So you have a single mom with 2 kids, working 30 hours a week at walmart for minimum wage. And the government is going to subside her health care?

 

[senseamp]

Tell me about those subsidies. Do they help pay your bill every month?

Correct.

 

[Daverino]

My wife and I would not qualify for subsidies, so I know nothing about how that part of the health care law is going to work.

So you apply for the subside, and then what? The government pays part of the monthly bill.

And what is the cut off point in ratio to the poverty line?

So you have a single mom with 2 kids, working 30 hours a week at walmart for minimum wage. And the government is going to subside her health care?

You don't know about these subsidies because you live in Texas. The Supreme Court ruled that states could refuse expanding Medicaid to cover the working poor because the law required states to contribute a fraction of the costs. Currently, a Texan who makes over $5,000 a year is ineligible for Medicaid. Rick Perry turned down over $79 BILLION of federal dollars from the federal government to raise that limit. The limit for states accepting the Medicaid expansion can provide Medicaid to any individual at 138% the Federal Poverty Level, which is currently $15,856.

Just so that's perfectly clear, if you live in New York and make less than $15,856 you get Medicaid. If you live in Texas you need to earn less then $5,000.

Medicaid expansion and the insurance exchanges are the two foundations of the ACA. Increase the limit for the poor to put them under the umbrella of Medicaid. Create the exchanges to provide affordable access to the lower middle class and self-insured. Texas refused to expand Medicaid and refused to create an exchange. The result is that Texans can only sign up for exchange controlled insurance through the federal exchange (read: not tailored for Texans) AND their poor cannot get expanded coverage at all.

This is a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Republicans so badly wanted the ACA to fail that they have sacrificed the working poor in their own states.