Polls show obamacare wave building against senate democrats

[feralkid]

And the working poor who can neither afford to buy health insurance, nor provided through their job?

And what about the homeless and mentally ill who fall through the cracks?

It's called Medicaid.

But you live in Texas, so you're probably S.O.L.

 

[Jhhnn]

And the working poor who can neither afford to buy health insurance, nor provided through their job?

And what about the homeless and mentally ill who fall through the cracks?

That's why Obamacare has subsidies and Medicaid expansion. It's not rocket surgery.

Well, yeh, other than Chief Justice Roberts legislating from the bench, allowing some states to opt out of the medicaid expansion. The wounds in those states are entirely self inflicted through shameless pandering to twisted Teatard sentiment. They're fucking the least able of their citizens, and proud of it.

 

[Daverino]

So you have a single mom with 2 kids, working 30 hours a week at walmart for minimum wage. And the government is going to subside her health care?

A working mother with 2 children working 30 hours a week at minimum wage in Texas would make $11,310. A woman with 2 children is eligible for Medicaid if she earns less that 28% of the federal poverty limit for a family of three, which is currently $19,530. That works out to $5,078. So no, a working mother with 2 children in Texas would not be eligible for Medicaid.

If that woman lived in Kentucky, however, she is eligible for Medicaid if she earns less than 138% of the federal poverty limit. Therefore, she'd be eligible if she made less than $26,951. In Kentucky she, along with her two children, would be fully covered.

 

[theeedude]

Well, yeh, other than Chief Justice Roberts legislating from the bench, allowing some states to opt out of the medicaid expansion. The wounds in those states are entirely self inflicted through shameless pandering to twisted Teatard sentiment. They're fucking the least able of their citizens, and proud of it.

More money left for the rest of us with sane governors and legislators.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You don't know about these subsidies because you live in Texas. The Supreme Court ruled that states could refuse expanding Medicaid to cover the working poor because the law required states to contribute a fraction of the costs. Currently, a Texan who makes over $5,000 a year is ineligible for Medicaid. Rick Perry turned down over $79 BILLION of federal dollars from the federal government to raise that limit. The limit for states accepting the Medicaid expansion can provide Medicaid to any individual at 138% the Federal Poverty Level, which is currently $15,856.

Just so that's perfectly clear, if you live in New York and make less than $15,856 you get Medicaid. If you live in Texas you need to earn less then $5,000.

Medicaid expansion and the insurance exchanges are the two foundations of the ACA. Increase the limit for the poor to put them under the umbrella of Medicaid. Create the exchanges to provide affordable access to the lower middle class and self-insured. Texas refused to expand Medicaid and refused to create an exchange. The result is that Texans can only sign up for exchange controlled insurance through the federal exchange (read: not tailored for Texans) AND their poor cannot get expanded coverage at all.

This is a classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Republicans so badly wanted the ACA to fail that they have sacrificed the working poor in their own states.

And who pays for the Medicaid expansion; the taxpayer. It is not free money.

 

[Daverino]

And who pays for the Medicaid expansion; the taxpayer. It is not free money.

We already pay for free healthcare for everyone in the country through inflated insurance rates and taxes. Anyone can walk into a hospital and get care for free. It's mandated by law.

So now that you understand that you are ALREADY paying for poor people to get healthcare, how do you want to do it? Do you want to have your taxes used to expand Medicaid so poor people can get access? Or do you want to keep paying for them to go to the ER when they have bad diarrhea? Do you want poor people to get access to preventive care and personal physicians so they don't let their health problems spiral out of control? Or do you want the first sign that a mother of four has TB when she starts coughing up blood and needs an ambulance called?

So no, it's not free money. But it's money that you're already paying. Do you want to spend your tax dollars smart or stupid?

 

[Svnla]

Just saw an ad on TV from Democrat Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas. In the ad, he was talking about how he believed in the Bible and no party was always right and had all the answers.

I wonder why he did not talk about his record and his vote for Obamacare. Hummmmmm.....

 

[Ronstang]

Everyone should have insurance so that responsible people will not have to cover their ER bills when their insuranceless asses wind up in the ER.

If that causes anyone to curse, then they could rot in hell.

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

 

[theeedude]

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

The world doesn't revolve around YOU.

 

[theeedude]

Just saw an ad on TV from Democrat Senator Mark Pryor of Arkansas. In the ad, he was talking about how he believed in the Bible and no party was always right and had all the answers.

I wonder why he did not talk about his record and his vote for Obamacare. Hummmmmm.....

Because people of Arkansas are too stupid to talk to about complicated issues like health insurance markets.

 

[Ronstang]

The world doesn't revolve around YOU.

I know you are an idiot but that was not the question.

 

[theeedude]

I know you are an idiot but that was not the question.

Hehe, aside from the expected name-calling, you got nothing, as predicted

 

[compuwiz1]

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

Waiting for the liberal crowd to come and attack you for having yours.....when you should be paying for thiers too.

 

[Svnla]

Because people of Arkansas are too stupid to talk to about complicated issues like health insurance markets.

At least Arkansas people are smart enough not to have shitty cities like Detroit, Trenton, East St. Louis, Flint, Stockton, Oakland, Newark, and others.

And they are smart enough to see the "you can keep your healthcare insurance" was just a big lie.


More likely that Democrat politicians are running away from Obamacare as far and as fast as they could. They "hope" the voters won't "change" their votes.

 

[theeedude]

At least Arkansas people are smart enough not to have shitty cities like Detroit, Trenton, East St. Louis, Flint, Stockton, Oakland, Newark, and others.

And they are smart enough to see the "you can keep your healthcare insurance" was just a big lie.


More likely that Democrat politicians are running away from Obamacare as far and as fast as they could. They "hope" the voters won't "change" their votes.

And Arkansas is obviously a thriving, crime free state
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pine-bluff-on-patrol-in-the-most-dangerous-little-town-in-america-8498769.html

 

[Wreckem]

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

The question is why would you self insure unless you have a net worth in the $25mm+ range. But I guess you self insure auto and home too.

Why would you choose to self insure against a catastrophic event, when you could get insurance to cover it and you aren't out of pocket.

My wifes insurance plan paid out 15 $1million+ claims last year. Several hundred $500k claims, and several thousand $250k+ claims.

The majority of americans cannot self insure a quarter million claim, let alone something more catastrophic. Hell the overwhelming majority are unlikely to be able to self insure against a $50k claim.

IMHO if you don't have insurance medical debts should not be allowed to be discharged through bankruptcy. Punitive yes, but it might spur more people who cannot self insure like yourself, but can actually afford insurance to actually get insurance(atleast a catastrophic plan) rather than leech off the system.

 

[compuwiz1]

The question is why would you self insure unless you have a net worth in the $25mm+ range. But I guess you self insure auto and home too.

Why would you choose to self insure against a catastrophic event, when you could get insurance to cover it and you aren't out of pocket.

My wifes insurance plan paid out 15 $1million+ claims last year. Several hundred $500k claims, and several thousand $250k+ claims.

The majority of americans cannot self insure a quarter million claim, let alone something more catastrophic. Hell the overwhelming majority are unlikely to be able to self insure against a $50k claim.

IMHO if you don't have insurance medical debts should not be allowed to be discharged through bankruptcy. Punitive yes, but it might spur more people who cannot self insure like yourself, but can actually afford insurance to actually get insurance(atleast a catastrophic plan) rather than leech off the system.

Probably because he has shielded himself from personal liability under either an S-Corp or LLC. In the event something catostrophic happened, he could seek protection under personal bankruptcy, without taking his company...and future earning potential down. Seems smart to me.

 

[Texashiker]

A working mother with 2 children working 30 hours a week at minimum wage in Texas would make $11,310. A woman with 2 children is eligible for Medicaid if she earns less that 28% of the federal poverty limit for a family of three, which is currently $19,530. That works out to $5,078. So no, a working mother with 2 children in Texas would not be eligible for Medicaid.

And the working poor who make too much money, do not qualify for subsidies and can not afford to buy their own policies?

Such as someone making $10, $12 or even $15 an hour.

How are they supposed to afford to buy a home, buy a car, buy food,,,, and still pay for health care out of their own pocket?

How is a divorced parent who pays 20% in child support supposed to afford to buy insurance?

 

[fskimospy]

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

Then feel free not to! You will pay a fine every year, but apparently you can easily afford that.

You don't make policy based on outliers, but I'm sure you knew that. Nobody cares if you are wealthy.

 

[fskimospy]

And the working poor who make too much money, do not qualify for subsidies and can not afford to buy their own policies?

Such as someone making $10, $12 or even $15 an hour.

How are they supposed to afford to buy a home, buy a car, buy food,,,, and still pay for health care out of their own pocket?

How is a divorced parent who pays 20% in child support supposed to afford to buy insurance?

Medicaid expansion covers people up to 400% of the poverty line. Had Texas chosen to expand Medicaid in line with the terms of the law all of those people would be eligible for Medicaid.

Instead, Texas chose to fuck over its own citizens. Maybe you should try voting in some democrats next time.

 

[Daverino]

Why should I have insurance when I can write a check for anything I would need at a hospital?....and yes...I CAN.

Then you pay the fine/tax for rolling on your own and we all move on.

 

[fskimospy]

At least Arkansas people are smart enough not to have shitty cities like Detroit, Trenton, East St. Louis, Flint, Stockton, Oakland, Newark, and others.

And they are smart enough to see the "you can keep your healthcare insurance" was just a big lie.


More likely that Democrat politicians are running away from Obamacare as far and as fast as they could. They "hope" the voters won't "change" their votes.

You realize that Arkansas is close to the poorest state in the entire US, right? Whatever they are doing down there it isn't working.

 

[Texashiker]

Medicaid expansion covers people up to 400% of the poverty line. Had Texas chosen to expand Medicaid in line with the terms of the law all of those people would be eligible for Medicaid.

Instead, Texas chose to fuck over its own citizens. Maybe you should try voting in some democrats next time.

So the option is to vote for welfare?

Is that what this nation has come to?

In other words we should turn to socialism? There is little difference between government handouts and socialism / communism. When someone takes a handout from the government they have accepted socialism.

Since capitalism is collapsing upon its own greed, socialism does not sound too bad.

 

[feralkid]

When someone takes a handout from the government they have accepted socialism. .

Better tell corporate America that they are a bunch of socialists.

 

[fskimospy]

So the option is to vote for welfare?

Is that what this nation has come to?

In other words we should turn to socialism? There is little difference between government handouts and socialism / communism. When someone takes a handout from the government they have accepted socialism.

Since capitalism is collapsing upon its own greed, socialism does not sound too bad.

How many times does it have to be explained on here that capitalism/socialism is a spectrum, not a yes/no? This nation was founded with a socialized army, numerous socialized law enforcement bodies, socialized mail delivery, etc.

What a bunch of commies.

You aren't making logical arguments at this point you're just whining.