Polls show obamacare wave building against senate democrats

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fskimospy

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Loss of a seat indicates that the Senator was on the wrong side of the issues to many times.

In 2014; it general it would be the backing of Obama and the ACA.

There will need to be an issue in 2016 that will filet the Republicans in general.
At this point; I have not seen one appear.

This is pretty pointless. Not only is it foolish to predict an election almost a year out, but it's exceptionally foolish to predict one three years out.

Democrats hold a number of seats in red states that are up for election in 2014. Additionally, it's an off year election which tends to help Republicans. This means they are likely to lose some of them. As of last time I checked things were about even odds for the Republicans taking the Senate in 2014.

In 2016 Republicans hold a large number of seats in blue states and it's a presidential election year which tends to help Democrats. This means they are likely to lose some of them. The number of vulnerable Republican seats in 2016 is larger than the number of vulnerable Democratic seats in 2014, so that makes things worse.

The idea that we would have pinpointed an issue that will be salient in elections three years from now is like saying that in 2005 we knew what the 2008 election would swing on.
 

EagleKeeper

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In 2014 mostly Democrat seats are up for election, in 2016, mostly Republican.
Even if Dems lose Senate in 2014, they won't have to wait too long to get it back.

The idea that we would have pinpointed an issue that will be salient in elections three years from now is like saying that in 2005 we knew what the 2008 election would swing on.

sensamp seems to think otherwise.:\
 

IGBT

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liberals own this lock / stock and barrel. Their fingerprints are all over "Obama Care". Now they want to "abort" it like they do their kids. Trouble for them is..this liberal spawn won't flush in their low flow toilet.
 

fskimospy

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sensamp seems to think otherwise.:\

No, he's saying the same thing I did. The Republicans have a very unfavorable electoral map for the Senate in 2016, which means they are likely to lose seats. It doesn't say anything about what issues may dominate that election to swing it one way or the other, it just says that the deck is stacked against them.

The deck is similarly (although not quite as badly) stacked against the Democrats in 2014.
 

PokerGuy

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Unfortunately for the gop, this obummercare disaster happened just a little too early, it gives the media plenty of time to shift the blame to republicans and heap more adoration on obummer.
 

Daverino

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liberals own this lock / stock and barrel. Their fingerprints are all over "Obama Care". Now they want to "abort" it like they do their kids. Trouble for them is..this liberal spawn won't flush in their low flow toilet.

You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

If you want I have an onion you can wear on your belt.
 

fskimospy

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Unfortunately for the gop, this obummercare disaster happened just a little too early, it gives the media plenty of time to shift the blame to republicans and heap more adoration on obummer.

You're right. Whenever Republicans win it's because people agree with them. When Republicans lose it's because of the evil librul media. The one thing it would NEVER be is that people think Republicans have bad policy ideas. That's just nuts.
 

fskimospy

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You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

If you want I have an onion you can wear on your belt.

Hey, it was the style at the time!
 

boomerang

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Unfortunately for the gop, this obummercare disaster happened just a little too early, it gives the media plenty of time to shift the blame to republicans and heap more adoration on obummer.
This disaster is going to roll across the nation in wave after wave after wave.
 

Angry Irishman

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You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

If you want I have an onion you can wear on your belt.


And you can live in....Utopia. Ha
 

Angry Irishman

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You're right. Whenever Republicans win it's because people agree with them. When Republicans lose it's because of the evil librul media. The one thing it would NEVER be is that people think Republicans have bad policy ideas. That's just nuts.

You seem to be an intelligent person; you don't think the same is true of Democrats? I've really given up on both parties.
 

fskimospy

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You seem to be an intelligent person; you don't think the same is true of Democrats? I've really given up on both parties.

No, I don't think that every time the Democrats lose it is due to a conspiracy by the media. Nor do I believe it is Diebold taking over voting machines or anything else. Sometimes you lose elections because your ideology isn't popular at the time, sometimes you lose them due to economic circumstances, etc.

There was an interesting study recently that found that liberals tended to have a sense of false uniqueness and conservatives tended to have a sense of false consensus. That would help explain why conservatives have so much trouble understanding why they lose elections, as they incorrectly believe that most people actually agree with them.
 

Daverino

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This disaster is going to roll across the nation in wave after wave after wave.

I think people said the same thing about giving blacks the right to vote and allowing gays to be married. . .

Disasters, I promise!
 

IGBT

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You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

If you want I have an onion you can wear on your belt.

..always warms my heart to see you froth at the mouth and bursting pounding blood veins throbbing in your neck.
 

monovillage

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You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

If you want I have an onion you can wear on your belt.

Ooohh I love to see the hate and intolerance bubbling out of the liberal Democrats.
 

Texashiker

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You're getting old. Older every day. We can wait until you're gone, just like the dinosaurs, the segregationists, the homophobes, the misogynists, the intolerant.

How old are you, 20 something?

Come back when you work half your life away, and watch the government add financial burden after financial burden on your back.

Come back when every race, religion, sexual preference,,,, gets special treatment under the law, everyone but your group.

There comes a point in all of our lives that we say we do not like the changes that are going on. If you say you do not like those changes you get called a bigot and a raciest.

Your time is just around the corner. Your words are likely to come back to haunt you.
 

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How old are you, 20 something?

Come back when you work half your life away, and watch the government add financial burden after financial burden on your back.

Come back when every race, religion, sexual preference,,,, gets special treatment under the law, everyone but your group.

There comes a point in all of our lives that we say we do not like the changes that are going on. If you say you do not like those changes you get called a bigot and a raciest.

Your time is just around the corner. Your words are likely to come back to haunt you.

lol. Poor poor downtrodden white males. How we have forgotten thee.
 

feralkid

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How old are you, 20 something?

Come back when you work half your life away, and watch the government add financial burden after financial burden on your back.

Come back when every race, religion, sexual preference,,,, gets special treatment under the law, everyone but your group.

There comes a point in all of our lives that we say we do not like the changes that are going on. If you say you do not like those changes you get called a bigot and a raciest.

Your time is just around the corner. Your words are likely to come back to haunt you.

Aren't you on disability?
 

Daverino

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How old are you, 20 something?

Come back when you work half your life away, and watch the government add financial burden after financial burden on your back.

Come back when every race, religion, sexual preference,,,, gets special treatment under the law, everyone but your group.

There comes a point in all of our lives that we say we do not like the changes that are going on. If you say you do not like those changes you get called a bigot and a raciest.

Your time is just around the corner. Your words are likely to come back to haunt you.

40 year old white male, thank you very much.

I have had every break that America has to offer thus far. Haven't been the victim of racism or sexism. Had access to great schools, got a great education, live close to the 1%. I have walked a red carpet so far, and I'm perfectly aware that I have.

Now if you think for a moment, I'm such a pussy and a cry-baby that I'm afraid of the gays, the Mexicans or the Muslims taking over my country, you're deluded. And frankly, you're un-American. The whole reason this country is what it is: the shitty down-trodden underclasses clawing and scraping their ways into the society while the frightened, doom predicting old guard is swept out of the way. White men have been losing their grip on power since the Constitution was signed and I'm really OK with that. We never should have had it in the first place. But we were relatively uneducated and uncivilized at that time.

I deserve no special advantages and I recognize that despite my profiting from them.

If you want to cling to them yourselves you are, as I said, a dinosaur. It is sad that you could grow so old and not grow up. If the majority didn't have significant social advantages passed down, generation by generation, we would not need laws to protect the minorities. But we are a country who's history is rooted in institutionalized racism, sexism and classism, just like every other country on this planet.

I like change. I live for change. Change is exciting. That's how America got to be America.
 

Texashiker

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lol. Poor poor downtrodden white males. How we have forgotten thee.

I think I might become gay just so I can get into one of those protected groups.


White men have been losing their grip on power since the Constitution was signed and I'm really OK with that. We never should have had it in the first place. But we were relatively uneducated and uncivilized at that time.

Considering white men gave us slavery and wars, it might be time to change the guard.

Some of the greatest crimes ever committed against humanity have been by white men.
 
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