POLL: Have You Changed Your Mind?

[MrSquished]

Wow, from Sanders to Cruz? Maybe just stay home on the 8th.

I meant that if Cruz won the nomination I'd have gotten up to go vote for Hillary instead of sitting out. I hate Cruz

 

[Perknose]

I meant that if Cruz won the nomination I'd have gotten up to go vote for Hillary instead of sitting out. I hate Cruz

Cruz control is a safety feature that should be standard equipment on all new elections.

 

[fleshconsumed]

No, not really, although I did briefly entertain what I consider The Nuclear Option.

In the end one candidate is a lying power hungry sociopath, and the other one is... a lying power hungry sociopath. Some choice we got there. I was pretty much convinced from the beginning not to vote for either candidate, but for a second there I did entertain the idea of voting for Trump (The proverbial Nuclear Option) as a way to hasten the demise of both republican and democratic parties, and hopefully give us another choice. I thought maybe Trump isn't so bad, after all he does say sane things every once in a while (lobbyist reform and term limits). And then I also thought maybe if he is as bad as he seemed America survived Bush, it survived Obama, it should survive Trump as well, right? However, the more I listened to Trump the more I realized that I just couldn't vote for that pathetic excuse of a human being. While I see vote for Trump as The Nuclear Option, the others will not see it that way and it'll just embolden the crazies instead of pivoting in a more sane direction.

So I can't vote Trump, and I can't vote Hillary. This leaves me with few options. There are Jill Stein and Gary Johnson who I like because they both favor weed legalization, repealing patriot act, and scaling back the perpetual war machine, but upon closer examination they both have too many cuckoo ideas to be considered seriously. So I either vote GJ/JS to encourage major parties toward adopting some of their saner ideas even if GJ/JS themselves are not fit to be the president, or just write in Bernie Sanders as a form of protest... Still undecided...

 

[dullard]

In the end one candidate is a lying power hungry sociopath, and the other one is... a lying power hungry sociopath.

The problem with your logic is that you think one is a power hungry sociopath ONLY because the other power hungry sociopath told you that as a "fact".

 

[fleshconsumed]

The problem with your logic is that you think one is a power hungry sociopath ONLY because the other power hungry sociopath told you that as a "fact".

Nope. This is my own conclusion and I chose my words very carefully. Both candidates will lie whenever it is strategically advantageous to, they both crave power, and they both are unable to empathize with the rest of the people. They're both lying power hungry sociopaths.

 

[Jaskalas]

The problem with your logic is that you think one is a power hungry sociopath ONLY because the other power hungry sociopath told you that as a "fact".

We knew that about Clinton long before Trump became a name in this election. Trump is a giant !@$ stain, but trying to hide her !@#$ behind his only works for the dullards who can't remember history. Clinton is both the Wall Street and Neocon choice this election. They know where their bread is buttered, and you're working to butter them very well.

A Clinton Presidency is a slap against Bernie supporters, and a coup for Neocon supporters.
Bush is back baby!

 

[Perknose]

A Clinton Presidency is a slap against Bernie supporters, and a coup for Neocon supporters.
Bush is back baby!

Lol, equating Hillary Clinton with President Cheney Bush is some seriously hysterical overreach.

 

[mizzou]

i voted for obama twice and i absolutely will not vote for Hillary. I detest voting for Trump and Johnson seems to be a nincompoop.

I'm going to write in myself.

 

[Perknose]

I'm going to write in myself.

Before you do, have you thoroughly investigated yourself? People are saying . . .

 

[Jhhnn]

Lol, equating Hillary Clinton with President Cheney Bush is some seriously hysterical overreach.

Hillary hate is a debilitating mental condition for which no cure has been found. It's spread by contact with right wing media sources.

 

[Jhhnn]

i voted for obama twice and i absolutely will not vote for Hillary. I detest voting for Trump and Johnson seems to be a nincompoop.

I'm going to write in myself.

So, uhh, Obama, the guy you voted for twice, who worked closely with Hillary & endorses her wholeheartedly obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Cuz emails. Cuz Benghazi. Cuz poor Vince Foster.

 

[dank69]

Nope. This is my own conclusion and I chose my words very carefully. Both candidates will lie whenever it is strategically advantageous to, they both crave power, and they both are unable to empathize with the rest of the people. They're both lying power hungry sociopaths.

Yeah the decades of community work shows a real lack of empathy.

 

[Knowing]

I was going to vote Johnson but he released a video lately explicitly saying that our government's primary duty is protection from foreign threats. I don't know who no confidence is, so unless Gary regains his addled senses I'll have to go with Stein or Vermin Supreme.

 

[MrSquished]

Nope. This is my own conclusion and I chose my words very carefully. Both candidates will lie whenever it is strategically advantageous to, they both crave power, and they both are unable to empathize with the rest of the people. They're both lying power hungry sociopaths.

One lies at least 3-4x the rate of the other, although lately that rate has probably increased. Power hungry? I think both are. One though is outwardly and thoroughly obsessed with the power and money spotlight. At least the other isn't some manic power hungry maniac. I'll take poised and controlled vs psycho and unstable. The choice is clear.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah the decades of community work shows a real lack of empathy.

It's hate week every week out there on the right fringe. It's a mindless state of emotional froth.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The attitude that "OMG both Hillary and Trump are SOOOOO horrible" is #%9king stupid. Get your ass off the couch and run for POTUS if you are the best thing since slice bread. Let's see how you handle the pressure or how great "your" candidate is.

Trump has lived a life of the American dream, groper or not.
Hillary has lived a life of the American dream and she is about to become President of the United #ucking States.

Get off your high horse already because you are just losers who can't comprehend for yourselves. People like you shouldn't vote, go back to wherever the $%ck your ancestors came from. You don't deserve to be US citizens.

If you think that any reasonable person can get of their ass and run for POTUS you are crazier than Trump. To even run you have to be financed by special interests who expect you to sell out everyone except them and to bend whatever laws are necessary to help them no matter how badly it screws the actual voters. So the act of running proves that you're a whore with a "For Sale" sign around your neck and a giant basket of cash on the nightstand.

To run for President you have to lie. No person can tell the truth and get any attention whatsoever. You need to craft a hollow insincere message that convinces 51% of the freaks who think their vote matters that they're being screwed by the other 49% and you're going to stop it. You have to tell the poor that they're poor because the system is rigged and you have to tell the rich that the laws don't apply to them and you have to completely abandon the pragmatic middle as the only people who can succeed go running for the extreme right or left.

To believe that Hilary is an American Dream rather than a career criminal who is one step removed from Al Capone only slimier makes you a monumental fuckwit.

To believe that Donald is what normal people aspire to be proves that you are bankrupt in every way that counts.

In other words, you are the perfect prototype American voter, too stupid to know better and so in love with a flawed system that you can't even understand that Donalds and Hillaries and Obamas and Bushes are the only people who can succeed in it. A person who is not for sale, who has not committed economic fraud to fund their war chest, who has not bent every law he/she has sworn to protect, who tells the truth, who wants government to pave the roads and lock up criminals and otherwise stay out of our lives has no chance and most of us understand that. And if you believe the American political process produces anything other than the scummiest, most venal, most adept at gaming the system for personal advancement, least worthy individuals you might be the most clueless person on Earth.

 

[nickqt]

If you think that any reasonable person can get of their ass and run for POTUS you are crazier than Trump. To even run you have to be financed by special interests who expect you to sell out everyone except them and to bend whatever laws are necessary to help them no matter how badly it screws the actual voters. So the act of running proves that you're a whore with a "For Sale" sign around your neck and a giant basket of cash on the nightstand.

To run for President you have to lie. No person can tell the truth and get any attention whatsoever. You need to craft a hollow insincere message that convinces 51% of the freaks who think their vote matters that they're being screwed by the other 49% and you're going to stop it. You have to tell the poor that they're poor because the system is rigged and you have to tell the rich that the laws don't apply to them and you have to completely abandon the pragmatic middle as the only people who can succeed go running for the extreme right or left.

To believe that Hilary is an American Dream rather than a career criminal who is one step removed from Al Capone only slimier makes you a monumental fuckwit.

To believe that Donald is what normal people aspire to be proves that you are bankrupt in every way that counts.

In other words, you are the perfect prototype American voter, too stupid to know better and so in love with a flawed system that you can't even understand that Donalds and Hillaries and Obamas and Bushes are the only people who can succeed in it. A person who is not for sale, who has not committed economic fraud to fund their war chest, who has not bent every law he/she has sworn to protect, who tells the truth, who wants government to pave the roads and lock up criminals and otherwise stay out of our lives has no chance and most of us understand that. And if you believe the American political process produces anything other than the scummiest, most venal, most adept at gaming the system for personal advancement, least worthy individuals you might be the most clueless person on Earth.

Find a safe space and seek help immediately.

 

[Vic]

I'll be honest. I didn't like Trump in the 80s and I still don't like him now.

 

[openwheel]

Find a safe space and seek help immediately.

LOL exactly, like I said, people like that should just GTFO of my country. I think he will find safe haven in Russia.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Yeah the decades of community work shows a real lack of empathy.

It's hard to argue empathy when one supports drug wars making criminals out of ordinary people as exemplified by the 1994 Crime Bill or when one pretends to be broke after leaving white house and having millions in assets.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/the-tragic-politics-of-crime/392114/

One lies at least 3-4x the rate of the other, although lately that rate has probably increased. Power hungry? I think both are. One though is outwardly and thoroughly obsessed with the power and money spotlight. At least the other isn't some manic power hungry maniac. I'll take poised and controlled vs psycho and unstable. The choice is clear.

I am not denying that one candidate is arguably better than the other. However, a poised and controlled lying power hungry sociopath is still a lying power hungry sociopath. This election like no other exemplifies that it is not about picking the best candidate, but the least bad. I'm done, I refuse to play this game, and I wish more people joined me as that is the only thing that will send the message to our elected representatives. If you want to change something, you hit them where it hurts, in case of private companies it's refusing to do business with them or buying their products/services, if you want to change political landscape, the only way to do it is to hit them where it hurts and stop voting for piss poor candidates just because they are marginally better than the other side.

 

[Jaskalas]

Lol, equating Hillary Clinton with President Cheney Bush is some seriously hysterical overreach.

You say that after Libya and Syria?
After the promise of a no fly zone, to WAR with Russia to complete our "mission" of regime change across the Middle East?

 

[nickqt]

It's hard to argue empathy when one supports drug wars making criminals out of ordinary people as exemplified by the 1994 Crime Bill or when one pretends to be broke after leaving white house and having millions in assets.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/the-tragic-politics-of-crime/392114/


I am not denying that one candidate is arguably better than the other. However, a poised and controlled lying power hungry sociopath is still a lying power hungry sociopath. This election like no other exemplifies that it is not about picking the best candidate, but the least bad. I'm done, I refuse to play this game, and I wish more people joined me as that is the only thing that will send the message to our elected representatives. If you want to change something, you hit them where it hurts, in case of private companies it's refusing to do business with them or buying their products/services, if you want to change political landscape, the only way to do it is to hit them where it hurts and stop voting for piss poor candidates just because they are marginally better than the other side.

Yes, by letting the people who continue to vote have more power, you're going to win the game.

Or something.

You say that after Libya and Syria?
After the promise of a no fly zone, to WAR with Russia to complete our "mission" of regime change across the Middle East?

A few hundred thousand Iraqis, and a few thousand Americans are holding on line 1.

 

[Jaskalas]

A few hundred thousand Iraqis, and a few thousand Americans are holding on line 1.

Aleppo is holding on line 2.
You didn't have to start that war against Assad.

 

[sactoking]

I started the election season as an "Anyone But Hillary" person. Based on the time she and Bill spent in the WH I think she is a thoroughly detestable person. Once I saw the murderers row of horrible human beings the GOP lined up I quasi-supported Bernie. He had an outside chance of beating Hillary in the primary and while I disagree with him on a lot of policy issues I'm ready for a non-establishment candidate just to shake things up.

Once it became clear that Hillary would win the Dem primary I hoped that the GOP would find an establishment candidate, one who would be pragmatic enough to pivot away from the idiocy necessary to win the primary to a more reasonable position in the general. With Trump being nominated I figured it was a Douche/Turd election and I would pass. Now that I've seen that Trump rivals Hillary on the sleaze meter plus he's arrogant, stupid, clueless, a blowhard, a bully and just plain dangerous I'm afraid I'm going to have to vote for Hillary to ease my conscience on not facilitating a disaster.

Seriously GOP?!? The best you could do was Trump/Cruz/Carson/Christie/Fiorina et al? There's not a halfway electable person in that group. I know there are Republicans that aren't soulless, why can't you get out of your own way and nominate one of THEM?

 

[zinfamous]

After the debate tonight, I am now bigly supporter of Trump. The biglyist. I am so bigly on that issue, with the trade and the big.

For this week. Then maybe not, we'll see. I'm gonna keep you guys in suspense. You won't know where i am next week, in two weeks. I'm bigly now, but maybe only huge later, maybe not. We'll see. You have to show me. Show me something. Tell me why I shouldn't be bigly.