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Have You Changed Your Mind wrt Your Vote for U.S. president?


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nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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I started off supporting Hillary but thinking that Trump wouldn't be too bad.

I'm now still supporting Hillary, but the thought of Trump makes me absolutely terrified for the future of our country.
 

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Elite Member
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Oct 28, 1999
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Nope. Not one bit. I'm easily on record back in March or earlier saying I figured Hillary and Trump would be our candidates. And I pretty much resigned myself to basically any party but Trump. I've been convinced he's a two bit bullshit artist since the get go, have zero faith in his ability to run a Dunkin Donuts let alone the country and can't stand the circus he has brought to the election scene. A vote against him is a vote for sanity. Hillary is the best chance at "Never Trump" and she actually aligns well with my slightly right of left mentality. So I don't throw away a vote, and it's a vote against Trump. The Alt-Right needs a heat check and I hope there is a landslide in popular vote to show that much of the US is fed up with their bullshit.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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It's hard for me to imagine how someone would change their mind in this election simply because I can't understand how anyone could possibly support Trump.

It's not even about policy, although his policies are horrible and amateurish. There has never been a more manifestly terrible presidential candidate nominated by a major party in all of US history. The guy appears to be lazy, hugely ignorant, and genuinely mentally unstable. No matter what you think of Clinton, keeping someone who appears to actually be mentally ill out of the White House is reason enough.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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It's hard for me to imagine how someone would change their mind in this election simply because I can't understand how anyone could possibly support Trump.

It's not even about policy, although his policies are horrible and amateurish. There has never been a more manifestly terrible presidential candidate nominated by a major party in all of US history. The guy appears to be lazy, hugely ignorant, and genuinely mentally unstable. No matter what you think of Clinton, keeping someone who appears to actually be mentally ill out of the White House is reason enough.
I was keeping it open to Ls and Gs, too.

I think Trump is absolutely polarizing and anyone who actually supports him would remain unshaken for the whole ride. The religiosity of that movement is... at best... troubling.
 

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Oct 28, 1999
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It's hard for me to imagine how someone would change their mind in this election simply because I can't understand how anyone could possibly support Trump.

It's not even about policy, although his policies are horrible and amateurish. There has never been a more manifestly terrible presidential candidate nominated by a major party in all of US history. The guy appears to be lazy, hugely ignorant, and genuinely mentally unstable. No matter what you think of Clinton, keeping someone who appears to actually be mentally ill out of the White House is reason enough.

I'm sure there are people that sat back thinking he would make a pivot from primary mode Donald to "More Presidential" Donald after the RNC. That never materialized and instead he went on full blown whackaloon Donald scaring away the Rino's.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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I'd have supported any Dem against any member of the Repub party primary clown car.

Trump? Trump was obviously a pig 25 years ago & he hasn't changed a bit.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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I'm sure there are people that sat back thinking he would make a pivot from primary mode Donald to "More Presidential" Donald after the RNC. That never materialized and instead he went on full blown whackaloon Donald scaring away the Rino's.

I get that idea but Trump has always been a f-cking crazy person. I will admit that he seems even less sane now than I thought before but still...even before it was bad.
 

Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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I am voting for a Presidential candidate that is different from the one I voted for in the primary. But I never actually disliked the person I'm voting for, I just liked another candidate more.
Same here. I assume we're talking about the same lady here
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Those who want to look like they are consistently correct can't be caught changing their minds. It just confuses the audience.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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I get that idea but Trump has always been a f-cking crazy person. I will admit that he seems even less sane now than I thought before but still...even before it was bad.

He's not really crazy or stupid or whatever. He's more a manchild with a penchant for taking advantage of others, not unlike the manipulative kid in school who never grew up. In this case it's just regrettably amplified by the means he inherited.

It's hard for me to imagine how someone would change their mind in this election simply because I can't understand how anyone could possibly support Trump.

It's not even about policy, although his policies are horrible and amateurish. There has never been a more manifestly terrible presidential candidate nominated by a major party in all of US history. The guy appears to be lazy, hugely ignorant, and genuinely mentally unstable. No matter what you think of Clinton, keeping someone who appears to actually be mentally ill out of the White House is reason enough.

Plebs don't care about "policy", they care about emotional gratification, which in this case is largely validation & fulfillment of racial resentment.
 

Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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Nope. Hillary is still a thoroughly reprehensible swine. And Trump is still a vulgar lout. Let them do a hunger games style event to hopefully get the reality show stupidity out of the way so that we can start over and maybe get real candidates this time.

Pretty much how I feel. I can see voting for one because you think that the other is worse. What I don't understand is people actively supporting either one, thinking either one deserves to be President. Yet that goes on a lot. They both suck and are both extremely shitty candidates.

But saying anything negative about Hillary no matter how true around here activates the rabid fan base. Reminds me of Sox fans. So I'm sure they'll be using normal insults soon.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Pretty much how I feel. I can see voting for one because you think that the other is worse. What I don't understand is people actively supporting either one, thinking either one deserves to be President. Yet that goes on a lot. They both suck and are both extremely shitty candidates.

But saying anything negative about Hillary no matter how true around here activates the rabid fan base. Reminds me of Sox fans. So I'm sure they'll be using normal insults soon.
The problem is how you define "true." This "truth" usually turns out to be "speculation that I believe to be true."
 

DrunkenSano

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Aug 8, 2008
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My thoughts on both candidates being absolute swine have not changed. Will either do a write-in or not even wasting my time to vote at all. And for those who think that people should just run for president if you feel that both suck, then you are naive or an idiot. To have any sort of chance, you need a shit ton of money and a ton of connections, something that the average joe does not have. Can't vote for Clinton with a clear conscience and Trump is Trump.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Pretty much how I feel. I can see voting for one because you think that the other is worse. What I don't understand is people actively supporting either one, thinking either one deserves to be President. Yet that goes on a lot. They both suck and are both extremely shitty candidates.

But saying anything negative about Hillary no matter how true around here activates the rabid fan base. Reminds me of Sox fans. So I'm sure they'll be using normal insults soon.

Because Benghazi, obviously.
 

Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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I'd have supported any Dem against any member of the Repub party primary clown car.

Trump? Trump was obviously a pig 25 years ago & he hasn't changed a bit.
Have you seen any of the interviews with his son Don Jr? Like father like son and that should scare anybody who possesses critical thinking. Trump inherited wealth and Clinton had to claw her way up the food chain.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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The problem is how you define "true." This "truth" usually turns out to be "speculation that I believe to be true."

Any time it starts to look like it might be bullshit, just invoke the larger conspiracy theory.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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The problem is how you define "true." This "truth" usually turns out to be "speculation that I believe to be true."

What do you mean you want me to substantiate my criticisms of Killary with facts? You must be part of her rabid fan base. Here's 30,000 emails that were stolen from the DNC, some people said weird stuff on a few of them. If that doesn't convince you, you're just a blind partisan or Sox fan or whatever.
 

Commodus

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2004
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Pretty much how I feel. I can see voting for one because you think that the other is worse. What I don't understand is people actively supporting either one, thinking either one deserves to be President. Yet that goes on a lot. They both suck and are both extremely shitty candidates.

But saying anything negative about Hillary no matter how true around here activates the rabid fan base. Reminds me of Sox fans. So I'm sure they'll be using normal insults soon.

The problem is, this "both are terrible" argument is a false equivalency.

Clinton actually has political experience. And while she has done shady things (though not as many as Trump claims), most of the statements coming out of her mouth are true. She is calm and rational; she doesn't see the presidency as a means of silencing her critics; she supports LGBT and women's rights.

Trump genuinely doesn't understand how politics work (see the whole build-a-wall-and-make-Mexico-pay-for-it thing). It's confirmed that he would delegate most real responsibility to Pence. He not only lies most of the time, he lies in situations where it's trivially easy to catch him or foresee serious repercussions (say, lying about what he discussed with Nieto). He's hotheaded, impulsive and petty; he wants to use the presidency to hush critics through harsher libel laws; he's racist, sexist and willing to pander to homophobes.

So no, voting for Clinton is not as bad as voting for Trump. With Clinton, you'll at least get a basic level of competence and social progress. With Trump, there's a very real chance that he'll sour diplomatic relations, delay or reverse social progress, or even find a way to get in so much trouble that he's forced out of office. He also reminds me a bit of Bush Jr. in that he'll likely be a puppet for others with their own agendas. I think the US needs true alternatives beyond the two main parties, but now is not the time to throw your hands up and claim that there's no viable choice.
 
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Perknose

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Oct 9, 1999
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The problem is how you define "true." This "truth" usually turns out to be "speculation that I believe to be true."

ZOMG, that is such a "rabid fan base" statement . . . not. ;)

The first time I got to vote, I voted for Dick Gregory of the Peace and Freedom party in 1972 because I couldn't in good conscience vote for George McGovern once he proposed a 100% Estate (inheritance) tax. I simply could not, and cannot vote for "pie in the sky" amateurs. So, mine was a protest vote.

I was living in California, and I also voted for (the first ever) proposal to legalize Marijuana. Both of my choices lost by a landslide.

Up until 2005, I was a registered independent. While this precluded, here in Pa., my voting in the primaries, it was how I best saw myself in our political landscape. That is NOT to say I was not, as I always have been as an adult, a proudly left of center American liberal in the tradition of many previous Republicans and Democrats who have held political office whom I have seen as largely sharing my inclusive and progressive social and political values. This was true, even as I self-identified as a Republican (who would have nearly always split my ticket had I been able to vote) up until the age of 18, due mostly to my parents being Republicans (though Pubs who would have been horrified and disgusted at the present state of the GOP.)

After George Bush was re-elected, an event I never thought could happen, I realized I had to draw my own personal line in the sand, so I re-registered as a Democrat. I have no overwhelming love for the Democratic party in toto; but they remain, no matter how wildly imperfect, as the sole realistic bulwark against the presently yahoo/ignoramus infested and controlled Republican Party.

The GOP, as presently constituted and led, is a clear and present danger to my bedrock values, and to my hopes for the Republic, which I love. I am eternally grateful to have had the great, good fortune to have been born a white American male in the United States of America. And I fervently wish to extend every bit of the opportunities and advantages I have enjoyed as one to every single fellow citizen. Nothing, not one thing short of "liberty and justice for all" will do. No (economic or social) justice, no peace. We sink or swim as a country together, no fucking exceptions!

I am in eternal debt to that GREAT Republican Abraham Lincoln for saving the Union. I can still literally get tears in my eyes at the apocryphal words of the roaming, restless ghost of Daniel Webster and his one piercing question, "Neighbor, how stands the union?"

We have spent the last 200 years plus trying to live up to the gorgeous founding documents our forefathers bequeathed us. Have there ever been more beautiful hopes stating that which a government would provide for its people than, "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?"

Liberty. I wish to add something parenthetical about it. It is not just the juvenile bleat of "Leave me alone" or "You are not the boss of me" or "I should be able to do what I wa wa want in every single circumstance." Liberty comes at a cost, and I am NOT just talking about force of arms. To be a true citizen of the our Republic involves an inescapable array of duties and responsibilities, of pitching in and of giving back, of ceding some unrestricted personal latitude for the greater good, to the ultimate benefit of ALL (crude example, obeying red lights.)

I do not buy into the scurrilous campaign of corrosive innuendo and supposition that has been energetically waged against Hillary Clinton for some decades now. It is, quite frankly, one fetid pile of hysterical bullshit. I heartily agree with all those who correctly state that she is amongst the most qualified and prepared candidates ever to run for our highest office.

Is she perfect? No. Show me a candidate or a person who is. Does she come across in public as wildly personally likable? Sadly, not especially. But I am SICK of the amiable boob contingent, as exemplified by George Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Gary Johnson.

I said it here at the beginning of this election season and I'll say it again. Politics is the art of the possible. And the most important and clearly attainable bit of progress I can make my vote count for is to install a Democrat as President so that they get to nominate a Supreme Court justice (or two or three.) THIS ALONE will change the course of our country for the better for years and years to come.

That Hillary Clinton is a decent human being who has served her country admirably in a series of public and private ways her entire adult life is a great and good thing. That her election, most hopefully by some degree of landslide, will (also hopefully) serve as a clear repudiation of the worst candidate ever to run for President AND THE PARTY which welcomed him as their standard bearer, well, all that is vitally important to me as well.

The slogan as clever political agitprop holds no candle in crude effectiveness to "Lock her up" or "Ein Volk, ein Furher", I know.

Nevertheless:

"I'm with her."

May the best woman win. :D
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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I was going to vote Libertarian again but I'm afraid if Hillary doesnt get as many supporters as possible that Trump will somehow sneak in a ninja victory, and I cannot allow him in the White House.
Shame Bernie got torpedoed by his own party.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Have you seen any of the interviews with his son Don Jr? Like father like son and that should scare anybody who possesses critical thinking. Trump inherited wealth and Clinton had to claw her way up the food chain.
We'd have to inspect Bill's back for marks, but I don't really think that ride involved much clawing on her part.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I was going to vote Libertarian again but I'm afraid if Hillary doesnt get as many supporters as possible that Trump will somehow sneak in a ninja victory, and I cannot allow him in the White House.
Shame Bernie got torpedoed by his own party.

maybe torpedoed by the Dems, but his own party--the Socialist "party"--did not put up a candidate. But honestly, he's much better where he is now than otherwise. Say the dems do take over senate majority which is more and more likely--almost as certain as Hilary winning--then that puts Sanders in line to lead finance committee, education, and or somesuch other committees that someone mentioned in some other thread here.

I do believe that an unpopular Hilary would be able to get more done as President than would a relatively more popular-yet-outright-offensive-to-republicans-socialist like President Sanders. Hilary as pres and Bernie chairing the committees that he needs to chair to get his platform moving is the best that can happen in this election, imo.