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POLL: Have You Changed Your Mind?

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Have You Changed Your Mind wrt Your Vote for U.S. president?

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Face the facts....
Both candidates are flawed.
Trump's flaw, he is an egomaniac tax evader with no experience.
And Hillary's flaw, seems to be she is a women.
So in short, Trump has flaws. Hillary being a woman is thought of as a flaw by those that can not see a woman as president.
There are your flaw facts....
 
sactoking said:
Seriously GOP?!? The best you could do was Trump/Cruz/Carson/Christie/Fiorina et al? There's not a halfway electable person in that group. I know there are Republicans that aren't soulless, why can't you get out of your own way and nominate one of THEM?
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Why? Because they are all labeled RINOs the moment they take the stage and state anything resembling thoughtfulness or intelligence.
 
Pretty much the only thing that could make me not vote libertarian would be if Johnson endorsed either of the two main candidates as part of some last-minute electoral shakeup. In that case, I'd vote for Darrell Castle.
 
jackstar7 said:
Why? Because they are all labeled RINOs the moment they take the stage and state anything resembling thoughtfulness or intelligence.
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I know, it was more of a rhetorical question. We had a bunch of Republicans here get labeled RINOs and primaried because they committed the sin of raising taxes to fund educational reforms on the worst school system in the country. The people responsible then couldn't fall over themselves fast enough to commit $750 million dollars in public money that we don't have to subsidize a stadium for a team that is not guaranteed to move in what is widely considered to be (one of?) the worst public stadium deals ever.

At some point the supermajority of Republicans need to get involved and retake their party from the Tea Party buffoons that are the real RINOs.
 
sactoking said:
I know, it was more of a rhetorical question. We had a bunch of Republicans here get labeled RINOs and primaried because they committed the sin of raising taxes to fund educational reforms on the worst school system in the country. The people responsible then couldn't fall over themselves fast enough to commit $750 million dollars in public money that we don't have to subsidize a stadium for a team that is not guaranteed to move in what is widely considered to be (one of?) the worst public stadium deals ever.

At some point the supermajority of Republicans need to get involved and retake their party from the Tea Party buffoons that are the real RINOs.
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Just as a thought exercise, can you name one GOP economic policy that evidence shows would benefit the nation?
 
I've always known who I wanted to vote for in past elections. This one just make me sad to be an American. Both candidates are just terrible. I still can't figure out how we got here with these two.
 
MustISO said:
I've always known who I wanted to vote for in past elections. This one just make me sad to be an American. Both candidates are just terrible. I still can't figure out how we got here with these two.
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Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils will do that. Eventually you're going to hit rock bottom. I just don't know if this is indeed the rock bottom or if we have further to fall. I shudder to think who the 2020 GOP nominee is going to be. Cruz?
 
Only closet Trump supporters would insinuate that "both candidates are terrible". Basically they are saying they will vote for anyone sane enough from the GOP ticket than any dominated Democrat, unfortunately they know Trump is just a complete joke. Thanks a lot GOP base, you bunch of deplorables.

It is not even close.
 
What I find really amusing is that Trump supports all the GOP policies like a good boy. The only part that is crazy is that he clearly doesn't know why he supports them other than that's what the GOP wants to hear.
 
They keep saying we need change, no more politicians.

Trump IS a politician. Always has been. Best snake oil salesman makes the best politicians.
 
It's time to answer the OP, now that the debates are over.
Is starting third party and ending third party "changing my mind" this year? I suppose not.

Last decade this forum railed heavily against George W. Bush, and it was much deserved. That argument was won by my opponents, IMO. Naturally partisanship stopped me from seeing it for a few years, until someone from my side of the fence made a compelling argument in 2006. See, we draw lines, setup barriers and stereotypes, but when an argument transcends political sports teams... that is when it has an impact. Helps people realize there's more to it than Red Team and Blue Team.

I saw those same Neocon policies I despised in the Republican 2008, and 2012 candidates. Warmongering to depose our civil liberties is not my cup of tea.

This year, those same folks railed against Donald Trump. If the enemy of my enemy is a friend... I gave him the benefit of the doubt, as unusual and hated by the establishment as he was. This was reinforced by the relentless tide of faux attacks against him, either exaggerations, misrepresentations, or flat out lies. The smear campaign doubled down on the notion that this is a guy to rock the boat, an action sorely needed when the elections I've seen have contained little more than... baskets of deplorable for candidates.

When the first debate happened it became pretty clear what I had seen. Trump is a babbling buffoon on a short script. He has never spoken in substance on an issue that he did not rehearse, and that's a short list. Lately he's employed GOP dog whistles on guns, abortions, trickle down... he doesn't know how to debate. He doesn't know how to sway people, and this reinforces one of my positions that governors are better suited to be President. Moreover, Trump is ego centric... some of his rhetoric is both for and against Neocon positions... but overall he comes across as a dangerous big-gov dictator type. Unstable and on a short fuse. A very stupid person.

He's also proven to be a liar, IMO, by promising everything to everyone. Even when they are contradictory. I mean, we know... I could just go on, but there are strong substantive reasons Donald Trump should not be President. Sitting down to and listening to him in the debates, painful as that was, made it perfectly clear. So I moved from neutral to opposed.

But wait, I haven't said who I am for! Well it's quite difficult to be "for" anyone in this election. Bernie Sanders seemed to be the best, not corrupted and with mixed positions. A low bar, perhaps, but miles above the rest. I still stand by the idea that if he was on the ballot he'd have my vote. Neither third party is perfect, but I might believe in a number of things closer to Jill Stein.

I have never, and will never, vote for Donald Trump.
 
WackyDan said:
That electoral college is the one thing that ensures lower populated states have a say in national elections.
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I live in a lower population state. It is thoroughly red. Presidents or presidential candidates rarely or never visit and rarely or never talk about us. How is that giving me a say? My vote has never, ever become even remotely close to making a difference.

An election based on popular vote means that every single vote matters. Politicians have to care about all of us, not just swing states.
 
I have changed my mind on being an American. I no longer am proud of my country and can think of a dozen nations that are much better than us in
vi edit said:
Nope. Not one bit. I'm easily on record back in March or earlier saying I figured Hillary and Trump would be our candidates. And I pretty much resigned myself to basically any party but Trump. I've been convinced he's a two bit bullshit artist since the get go, have zero faith in his ability to run a Dunkin Donuts let alone the country and can't stand the circus he has brought to the election scene. A vote against him is a vote for sanity. Hillary is the best chance at "Never Trump" and she actually aligns well with my slightly right of left mentality. So I don't throw away a vote, and it's a vote against Trump. The Alt-Right needs a heat check and I hope there is a landslide in popular vote to show that much of the US is fed up with their bullshit.
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From the Daily Beast:

Can anybody seriously dispute that, set against this definition, Clinton is more conservative than Trump? What ultimately makes this so, more than any particular set of policy positions, is one characteristic: predictability. While we know how Clinton would govern as president, no one, not even his supporters, can tell us how Trump might behave once in office.
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Trump with real political power is a rather frightening thought.
 
openwheel said:
They keep saying we need change, no more politicians.

Trump IS a politician. Always has been. Best snake oil salesman makes the best politicians.
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In the primaries the GOP had many options. Rubio, the most mainstream and probably electable. Cruz, the "anti establishment" solid conservative who had shown a willingness, nay an excitement, in being unwilling to let Washington function the way it always had (or really at all). And they had Carson, a man who ACTUALLY was self made and worked his way up to a position of respect from nothing, a real political outsider, and a man who had proven himself a genius (if also entirely insane). The ONLY thing Trump offered that the no one in the rest of the Republican field offered and offered better, was a willingness and eagerness to go full on racist. So it's pretty damn obvious why Trump was the choice and how incredibly racist the Republican party has become. And it's their own fault. They've spent years allowing birther talk and treating Obama like 3/5 of a President.

The right never wanted a man that wasn't a politician, they wanted a man who made it ok to hate Muslims, Mexicans, black people, and women's rights. And they got him.
 
I'm honestly fascinated by the though processes by which people arrive at their political decisions. I have to feel thankful that most people govern their daily decision making under a completely different set of rules.
 
sportage said:
Face the facts....
Both candidates are flawed.
Trump's flaw, he is an egomaniac tax evader with no experience.
And Hillary's flaw, seems to be she is a women.
So in short, Trump has flaws. Hillary being a woman is thought of as a flaw by those that can not see a woman as president.
There are your flaw facts....
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I'm underwhelmed by your 'facts'. You left out that Hillary Clinton had illegal servers in her homes, managed by people without national security clearance. Clinton mishandled confidential and top secret documents, unintentionally according to the head of the FBI. As Trump has pointed out Clinton does have more experience, but it is very bad experience. And I challenge you to find me a bigger egomaniac than Hillary Clinton. I can only agree with your first sentence. This campaign isn't about gender. It never has been.
 
bshole said:
I have changed my mind on being an American. I no longer am proud of my country and can think of a dozen nations that are much better than us in
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Can you list where they are? I am curious. While some European nations might have been a choice a decade ago, they are very quickly going down the crapper with the refugee problem.
 
TheGardener said:
. And I challenge you to find me a bigger egomaniac than Hillary Clinton.
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Really? REALLY? Trump is *not* a bigger egomaniac than Clinton? This is a guy who slaps his name on EVERYTHING. Buildings. Planes. Water bottles. Ties. Steaks. Buys a 6' portrait of himself. Goes on ranting tweet storms in the wee hours of the morning defending himself.

Sad.
 
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