Poll: God or science

[DRDEATH]

EngineNr9, ahh...CLEVER GIRL...
wrong. I speech the truth Biblically. Columas? who knows about him... all Ive read is in history books and I heard he was christian. Biblicaly I wont compromise my beleifs, That in itself is against my religion

RossGr, who knows about columbus being a true christian our not?? I dont, I only know what I have read in a highschool history book.
O, I definatly see your point. Satan is preety clever making so many "versions" of christainity. He's a snake in the grass, Beware.
Ummm, When did I say he sailed around the world, Please?


PCResources, As Long as you know the word of GOD, The Bible, trust in the LORD and, Repent of your sins. Your Goin to heaven. It's That simple.

 

[PCResources]

<< PCResources, As Long as you know the word of GOD, The Bible, trust in the LORD and, Repent of your sins. Your Goin to heaven. It's That simple. >>



So, basically, i can do what the fvck i like to do in my life, as long as i ask for forgiveness and repent my sins in the end? Isn't that great?

Hahaaaa, i just killed the entire population of Japan, but now i am going to die so, forgive me lord, how many hail Mary's do i have to say?

What you are stating are no facts, no facts at all, you interpret the bible so it will fit nicely into what you can prove... You can do the same thing with Nostradamus predictions...

Patrick

 

[DRDEATH]

I guess, If you knew when you're going to die (which you dont)and, really meant it when you repented. Then, yes youre sins would be forgiven. But, you'ld be a fool to live like that.

And I'm saying this to the best of my christian knowledge. Which aint very much. I'm not a Bible scholar ya know...

And Nostradamus was wrong on quite afew of his predictions.
The Bible on the other hand, Hasn't.:Q

 

[PCResources]

<< I guess, If you knew when you're going to die (which you dont)and, really meant it when you repented. >>



Ok, but could i just repent every now and then and that would do it, you know, like all catholics do?

What if we should treat people in the same manner as god does, the society would be a horrible way to live in, is that heaven?

&quot;Are you really sorry that you raped my 8 year old daughter?&quot;

&quot;Yes, i really am&quot;

&quot;Well, ok then, you are a good catholic, a true christian and i want to shake your hand for it&quot;

Makes a whole lot of sense, now doesn't it?




<< And Nostradamus was wrong on quite afew of his predictions. >>



It's all in the way you interpret it, just as the bible... If you really, REALLY want to believe either the bible or Nostradamus, all you have to do is explain which events the predictions refer to. Nostradamus predictions are just as correct as the ones in the bible.

The only FACT here is that there are NO FACTS, you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, so can i, but neither you nor i can actually prove that our beliefs are correct.

Patrick

 

[SirFshAlot]

man, I miss out on all the fun when I leave for the weekend.

If something happens that we do not understand we call it a miracle

no, RossGr, we call it Dark Matter

 

[TripleJ]

Alright, who dragged this horse out!

 

[Elledan]

DRDEATH, did you take a look at that site EngineNr9 provided a link to?

This site...


And again, no religion is right and no religion is wrong. Everyone who says otherwise is an ignorant fool. In your case I would add 'closed-minded' to that.

Have a nice day.

 

[SirFshAlot]

no religion is right and no religion is wrong

stated so matter-of-factly

and I'm certain you have some of your nifty empirical evidence on hand for support before you utter something so arrogantly, right?

&quot;I would add 'closed-minded' to that&quot;
uh huh

 

[DRDEATH]

DRDEATH, did you take a look at that site EngineNr9 provided a link to?


Nope, because they do not understand the bible.

I know in the old testemant it sayed to sacrifice animals to GOD... But, In the new testement it says NOT to... Because Jesus made the Ultimate sacrifice for us, on the CROSS. Here is one contradiction... right???

Whoever made that site didn't take the time to look the other contradictions answers up. I havent either, But if I were to find a contradiction I would KNOW that somewhere in the Bible it tells exactly why and how the contradiction worked.


If it was something that bother me I would ask a pastor What it meant... Why dont you guys ask someone Knowledgeable In the BIBLE. He/She would give you alot better answers than I can, with my limited Bible Knowledge...

Gods way are not our own, We can never understand his ways. But, His way is best. Read the Ten Commandements... If,... everyone lived bye those rules The world would'nt Be full of SIN and EVIL.

PCResources, It doesnt work like that. I'm sorry YOU think it does...

 

[AdamDuritz99]

Both!

but i voted for God, b/c without him, there would be no science.

 

[RaDragon]

<< KrispyKremer

As for science, that's a two-edged sword. Another difference is that religions are always ideologies. Science isn't an ideology. Science isn't even a system, belief or anything.

We are science, science is us. >>



erm... to quote an encyclopedia:

science (Encyclop&aelig;dia Britannica Article)
any system of knowledge that is concerned with the physical world and its phenomena and that entails unbiased observations and systematic experimentation. In general, a science involves a pursuit of knowledge covering general truths or the operations of fundamental laws.
--

*you* are flawed. *God* is not.
But *I* don't claim to be either.

 

[RossGr]

<< and I'm certain you have some of your nifty empirical evidence on hand for support before you utter something so arrogantly, right? >>



Sirfrsalot:
No, actually we took a world wide poll. Chritians lost, the hindu multi god concept wins hands down (up?) Since none of the worlds religions can come to any form of agreement on their believes it is only logical to assume that they (we?) are all guessing. The main difference between you and modern science is that at least science knows and admits to its guesses (dark matter) rather then attributing it to god and thinking they are done.

 

[PCResources]

<< PCResources, It doesnt work like that. I'm sorry YOU think it does >>



Hmmm, you said that if i was truly sorry i would be forgiven...

So what are you saying, can you be forgiven for just about anything if you repent and truly mean it?

Patrick

 

[Phunktion]

<----- ALIENS

 

[Elledan]

<< DRDEATH, did you take a look at that site EngineNr9 provided a link to?


Nope, because they do not understand the bible. >>


Right, and you do understand the bible perfectly. Let me tell you this, I've read the bible once as a whole and I honestly don't see what's so attractive about it. To me it just appears to be what it is: a collection of myths.



<< I know in the old testemant it sayed to sacrifice animals to GOD... But, In the new testement it says NOT to... Because Jesus made the Ultimate sacrifice for us, on the CROSS. Here is one contradiction... right??? >>


Fool, if you would have read some of those sites that were listed on that linked site, you would have known about the countless contradictions in the bible, especially in the New Testament.



<< Whoever made that site didn't take the time to look the other contradictions answers up. I havent either, But if I were to find a contradiction I would KNOW that somewhere in the Bible it tells exactly why and how the contradiction worked.


If it was something that bother me I would ask a pastor What it meant... Why dont you guys ask someone Knowledgeable In the BIBLE. He/She would give you alot better answers than I can, with my limited Bible Knowledge... >>


Some of the sites listed on that page were written by Christians who have studied history. I would think that they're knowledgeable enough.



<< Gods way are not our own, We can never understand his ways. But, His way is best. Read the Ten Commandements... If,... everyone lived bye those rules The world would'nt Be full of SIN and EVIL. >>


Right, we can not understand gods, but we do know that they created everything out of thin air. But of course, that makes an awful lot of sense, doesn't it?

LOL... your remark about 'sin' and 'evil' made me laugh. Those two things do not exist. There are no 'sins', nor is there 'evil'. Both words were created by Christians, at some time in history. Since both ideas are man-made, they're totally subjective.

And those ten commandments are not detailed enough to be understood.

On a sidenote, the first commandment is being violated by the US willingly: the death-penalty. The first commandment says &quot;thou shall not kill.&quot; and not &quot;thou shall not kill, unless someone kills a relative/friend of you.&quot;.

Dream on, no ideology, not even the Christian one will ever succeed in creating an Utopia of this world. Just look at Communism, which failed due to Human greed and corruption.

Seeing you in such a state of ignorance and totally absorbed by your blind faith in this ideology makes me glad that I'm not like you. I really pity you and I'm certain that more AT members feel the same way.

SirFshAlot[/i] >>

what are you afraid of? You never give any examples of why I'm closed-minded. On the other hand, every post of you proves your closed-mindedness. Now please shut up until you've got a useful contribution to make to this thread. I really wish that your little friend, DRDEATH, would do the same.

 

[coolVariable]

SCIENCE

 

[RossGr]

I just went and looked at engins link. Very interesting material. I can see why a good christian would refuse to read it.

Seems to agree with a lot of the the things I have been saying. Considering all the changes that christianity has been through how could the bible possibly be infallible. Why can't they agree on what it says.

I have a feeling that DrD. is young and just begining to explore the world. I hope that the converstations we have had here will start him thinking. He needs, he needs to develope a critial mind and analyze everything he reads or hears with that mind. To blindly accept the words of any single book is dangerous.

 

[Engine]

Elledan:

You show what SirFshALot was talking about in nearly every one of your posts in these threads. Every time you call someone 'fool', or 'idiot' (which happens a lot) because they believe differently than you, you demonstrate what he was talking about. When you dismiss people as somehow less than you because of their beliefs you demonstrate it.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people out there who are a lot smarter than you are, and who STILL are Christian.

edit: Although, I gotta admit that you seem to have mellowed just a smidge in the last week or so. Just a little though

 

[SirFshAlot]

Elledan,

You never give any examples of why I'm closed-minded
Now please shut up until you've got a useful contribution to make to this thread


ok, dear, I'll try to appease you



Dinosaurs don't exist according to the bible

The story about Noah's Ark is BS, it's not even close to being realistic.
-Never did Noah take any plants with him

I've read Genesis a few times and never found any statement or sentence that pointed to the existance of those animals. Therefore, according to the bible, those animals never existed because they're never mentioned

the bible has its horizon limited to the Middle-East. For that was the only place those wandering tribes who told those myths knew about. Those tribes of course had never met any kangaroos, dinosaurs, etc. so they didn't include those in their stories




this one I really like

<< Until the Scientist comes to understand that the entire physical world was created with Words, he will always be forced to toil over complex formula and to develop theory.

The physical evidence of the creation of the Universe, is real. While complex, it is easy to understand.

There are layers of realms, the physical cannot access them at this Time.

Come to God, and your science will become clear.

>>


Please leave and do not come back before all religions agree about what exactly happened and have merged into one religion.

Sorry to be so harsh, but you're making statements that are not more likely to be true than anything science has come up with till now.

And you seem to forget that science is progressing, while religions are static, therefore one day science will complete the Unified Theory and religion will bite the dust because their theories have all been disproven.

hmmm
you get frustrated with others that make your logic look silly, and all you can come up with is some irrational delusion that you can command them away

maybe it's time for you to excuse yourself for an emotional vacation

 

[Keribeth]

DRDeath: Are you for real? You are not helping your cause by spouting off things you read in your history book as fact. What you have displayed is the most elimentary knowledge of history taken to be fact. This does not help your convictions in the truth of the Word.

 

[Elledan]

SirFshAlot, the first example you mentioned was an example of how some Christians seem to think.
I no longer agree with the second example due to some posts that were posted after it.

Can you only find examples in old threads?

You also seem to forget that my first language isn't English, so don't expect me to express my opinion clearly in every post.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Can you only find examples in old threads?

do you believe in divine intervention that would allow me to cite future examples?

 

[DRDEATH]

PCResources,

If you ask GOD for Forgivness and,Kept doing what you Say you were Sincere about not doing Over and Over. You Are NOT SINCERE!!!! PUTANG!!!:Q


Elledan,

I would just have to consider you a lost sheep. I am not NEARLY as patient as GOD even back when Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles on a daily basis. Some people Didn't believe. Even when they saw them with there own Eyes... They didnt believe....



Some of the sites listed on that page were written by Christians who have studied history. I would think that they're knowledgeable enough

You obveously havent heard a word I have said... Any Joe SHmoo can say they are Christian...


On a sidenote, the first commandment is being violated by the US willingly: the death-penalty. The first commandment says &quot;thou shall not kill.&quot; and not &quot;thou shall not kill, unless someone kills a relative/friend of you.&quot;.

Whoever Said the U.S. Government was so righteuos??? Clinton went to church all the time. He is like a wolf in sheeps clothing. He was an EVIL man!

There are honest Christians in the government One for instance IS!!! Peter Marshall He's In the U.S. Senate. He is also The author Of the book that PROVES That Columbas Was a ture Christian.


If you ever Decide to come down of your pedistool Elledan. And learn a little history, Read &quot;The Light and The Glory&quot; by Peter Marshall Published bye Fleming H. Revell Company Copyright 1977...

It has actual letters from Columbas (their in spanish). There also in english.


Dream on, no ideology, not even the Christian one will ever succeed in creating an Utopia of this world. Just look at Communism, which failed due to Human greed and corruption.


I am afraid I know this all to well. It states quit clearly in the BIBLE (Revelation) that this world is doomed. I on the other hand am not DOOMED. Christians (TRUE!!) Christians are going to go to paradise my freind.

Seeing you in such a state of ignorance and totally absorbed by your blind faith in this ideology makes me glad that I'm not like you. I really pity you and I'm certain that more AT members feel the same way.









I Know that what I am saying is true and just. I am not the Ignorant one. I pity You. I am sad to say that more AT members probly do feel the same way you do But I am not In my religion to go with the majority... It states in the BIBLE that more people are not going to believe in God Than do. But, That is bye there choice, And THERES alone.


Keribeth,

DRDeath: Are you for real? You are not helping your cause by spouting off things you read in your history book as fact. What you have displayed is the most elimentary knowledge of history taken to be fact. This does not help your convictions in the truth of the Word


This is how I know Columbas was a Christian...
The auther is the U.S. Senate His reputation speaks for itself. ead &quot;The Light and The Glory&quot; by Peter Marshall Published bye Fleming H. Revell Company Copyright 1977...


As for my Biblical views, I get them in NO history books the have in public schools. I get it from the Bible. and the Bible alone.


Wisest is he who knows he does not know.

The best thing about being a Cristian A TRUE CHRISTIAN (hard for some to grasp) is God has a Plan for me, AND! Knowing!I am going to heaven.


If I sugar coated my beliefs in God like some Christians. I would not be a true christian.

I speak the Truth Biblically.

Historically I admitt,NOONE can say for sure. But with My Biblical knowledge,I would rather beleive an author I knew to be christain. Instead of going bye word of some scientist's our historian.

Scientist's and historians have been wrong throughout history. Theres no denying that. But the Bible has never once.


Elledan,


And those ten commandments are not detailed enough to be understood.


You are thinking FAR to hard about something so easy. I guess if you dont think Sin our Evil exist. You would have a hard time with this one. But last I heard Murder/rape/cheating/pride/lust/ect. ect. ect. AREN'T GOOD! thus Evil Exist's.......................................................................:Q

 

[RossGr]

<< Theres no denying that. But the Bible has never once. >>



Should I finish that sentence for you &quot;never been wrong&quot;? LOL



<< You obveously havent heard a word I have said... Any Joe SHmoo can say they are Christian... >>



Glad to meet you Joe.

You really should broaden your horizons, try reading some nonchristian works. If your beliefs have a solid foundation there can be nothing to fear there. Only if your house is built on sand, as the teachings go, do you have anything to fear. You have a lot to be afraid of.

 

[PCResources]

<< If you ask GOD for Forgivness and,Kept doing what you Say you were Sincere about not doing Over and Over >>



So, what is the limit, if i do it just once, i can be forgiven, but if i do it twice i cannot?

I am just curious...

I believe whatever i want to believe, i don't care if no one else believes it, you on the other hand have a need to convince people that your beliefs are the correct ones, and that it is a FACT...

You do not KNOW what will happen when you die, nobody does, you have FAITH, you BELIEVE in something, that is ok, but you still don't KNOW.

The bible is a collection of mystical myths, nothing else, you can interpret it and make it fit, but then again, you can do that with Nostradamus predictions too...

I have a feeling that you will defend your beliefs at any cost, well, if you see any need to defend your beliefs then you have to be a bit insecure in your beliefs...

Patrick