Really? Because an important half of the bible contains absolutely no Jesus at all. I spent several years in Catholic school, and we spent plenty of time on the teachings of the old testament.
Besides, lip service is cheap. Judging based on points of view and behavior alone, Jesus isn't exactly the only influence on modern Christianity.
There are plenty of wack jobs but the ones behind 9/11 were muslims. That's what we're talking about here. Don't assume I'm a fan of the war on terror. In fact I think we should withdraw from the middle east. But I'm not about to begin to make excuses for a dumb set of superstitions like Islam.
Again, you really don't think the specific doctrines of Islam had anything to do with 9/11? You think the hijackers would have chosen the US for their rage without Islam?
Obviously the hijackers have a huge individual blame. But without Islam they might have been limited to wife-beating or the like. But for Islam, these individuals would have never flown a plane into the WTC.
I have five years of Catholic school and 14 years of mass under me, yes they taught us the OT, etc, but at the end of the day Christianity boils down to one, single passage:
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." -- Matthew 7:12
Throckmorton
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Islam was a signfiicant cause of the terrorist attack and all Jihadism, by definition.
Which is exactly why we need to make friends with Muslims, not treat them like the enemy. Isn't that why our military is in the Middle East right now fighting for them and drinking tea with them?
Which is exactly why we need to make friends with Muslims, not treat them like the enemy. Isn't that why our military is in the Middle East right now fighting for them and drinking tea with them?
Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'
Quote:
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Pretty smart guy there. I like his thinking. We attack you because you attack us. The really brilliant part is that he gets to spend the rest of his life, if indeed he is still actually alive, hiding from predator drones and why? Well, as it happens, he attacked us and we are applying his logic. Violence will live for centuries long after the fucktard that cast the first stone is forgotten.
Quote:
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver
Pretty smart guy there. I like his thinking. We attack you because you attack us. The really brilliant part is that he gets to spend the rest of his life, if indeed he is still actually alive, hiding from predator drones and why? Well, as it happens, he attacked us and we are applying his logic. Violence will live for centuries long after the fucktard that cast the first stone is forgotten.
Hayabusa Rider
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Islam had a minor role because it was merely a tool to be used by OBL. His main goal was to acquire power and use that against the US. Why? Not because of religion, but Western domination and abuse. He is keenly aware of Project Ajax and the like. By using religious zealots he was able to achieve his goals which included dragging us into a situation like Iraq. Little did he know just how willing we'd be to help out.
TastesLikeChicken
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No, I don't. I think Islam is used by terrorists as an excuse to do evil things to others. Their focus on Israel and the US is simply because they need a target and pick the easiest ones to villify.
Schadenfroh
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<AT Whackjob>
Nothing, 911 was a Zionist conspiracy.
</AT Whackjob>
Seriously, Al-Qaeda is another fringe radical group of <insert ideology here>, they were significantly more dedicated to their cause than your typical radical group.
Nothing, 911 was a Zionist conspiracy.
</AT Whackjob>
Seriously, Al-Qaeda is another fringe radical group of <insert ideology here>, they were significantly more dedicated to their cause than your typical radical group.
And what about the Old Testament? It flat out says a lot of things that wouldn't fly today - slavery, treatment of homosexuals, women, et cetera. Flip open the Old Testament, and you can see an easy WBC argument for "god hates fags". But you're picking and choosing - just as those reading the Koran and using it to justify violence. There's over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world; they clearly aren't all violent extremists.
But they themselves associate with regimes that suppress freedom and democracy. :\
dahunan
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Did Christianity have anything to do with the fact that Saddam never ever attacked America yet we have twice nearly rubbled their nation...
the British and the Americans have DEEEEEEEEP History of oppressing and brutalizing other cultures... and they don't give a fuck what you think.. if they want something bad enough.. they will kill you for it...
If I was born in Iran or in this area and knew about this.. I would really really dislike America too...
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans. Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.
the British and the Americans have DEEEEEEEEP History of oppressing and brutalizing other cultures... and they don't give a fuck what you think.. if they want something bad enough.. they will kill you for it...
If I was born in Iran or in this area and knew about this.. I would really really dislike America too...
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
The Central Intelligence Agency's secret history of its covert operation to overthrow Iran's government in 1953 offers an inside look at how the agency stumbled into success, despite a series of mishaps that derailed its original plans. Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
Britain, fearful of Iran's plans to nationalize its oil industry, came up with the idea for the coup in 1952 and pressed the United States to mount a joint operation to remove the prime minister.
The C.I.A. and S.I.S., the British intelligence service, handpicked Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and covertly funneled $5 million to General Zahedi's regime two days after the coup prevailed.
Iranians working for the C.I.A. and posing as Communists harassed religious leaders and staged the bombing of one cleric's home in a campaign to turn the country's Islamic religious community against Mossadegh's government.
The shah's cowardice nearly killed the C.I.A. operation. Fearful of risking his throne, the Shah repeatedly refused to sign C.I.A.-written royal decrees to change the government. The agency arranged for the shah's twin sister, Princess Ashraf Pahlevi, and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the father of the Desert Storm commander, to act as intermediaries to try to keep him from wilting under pressure. He still fled the country just before the coup succeeded.
Why are they the easiest to villify? Doesn't it have to do something with muslim beliefs?
dahunan
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When Colin Powell went in front of the UN and told all the lies the CIA told him to about Saddam so he could get support for our Military Industrial Complex to get HUGE HUGE HUGE paychecks ..
and after he told those lies people started dying.. many many of them very very innocent...
so.. Colin Powell is A CHRISTIAN.. He told lies so people could start dying in the name of ????
and after he told those lies people started dying.. many many of them very very innocent...
so.. Colin Powell is A CHRISTIAN.. He told lies so people could start dying in the name of ????
her209
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