*Pics of my new rifle*

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
That is not a rifle, that is an assualt weapon. How soon till we hear about you on the news when you kill a dozen people in your school, or place of work?

Now understand I own hand guns for protection, and rifle's and shotguns for hunting. I see only one use for an assualt weapon, and it is not for either of the above, unless you intend to add people to your hunting list.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Hunters are our worst enemies in the battle to Keep and Bear Arms. They think as long as they can have their ancient piece of crap rifle to shoot deer everything will be ok.
Disgusting. Completely unforgivable that as a gun owners you yourself would support laws banning guns. :frown:

Your no gun owner, no matter WHAT you may think of yourself.

I had to read this a few times, because it seemed your point would prove the point of those in opposition to your desire to keep such rifles.

I am not a hunter, but using your description of hunters it would seem that they keep that which is useful to their purposes. I then ask again: What purpose does your rifle serve? I'd question the faculties of anyone purchasing such guns that can't be used for any practical purpose.

The origional purpose of a rifle in .223 rem is for varmints or preditors, ie coyotes, groundhogs, prarie dogs, ect. In fact it is illegal to hunt deer with them as considered inhumane because of the small caliber size.

5.56 mm became the standard military cartridge which for the most part is interchangable with .223 rem witht he exception of the "throat" of the cartridge, which led to military weapons that look cool and made people want to own them.

No, it IS legal to hunt deer with them, depending on State laws.
Check your lcoal state laws concerning this.

In Virginia anyway it is required that you use .23 cal or higher for big game hunting.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Descartes
This is a serious question not at all meant to antagonize: What do you do with those rifles?

Have fun.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Fingers

In Virginia anyway it is required that you use .23 cal or higher for big game hunting.

I think theres more States that DONT allow .223 (55.6) for deer then there are that do, but the point is a blanket statement like "You cant use it for deer legally" is false. There are some States where you can. I cant in either Kansas or Nebraska (Well, I dont think in Kansas....)

Not that I would use it anyways, I prefer something a bit bigger for deer. But for praire dogs, wild hogs or target shooting you just about cant beat the .223

Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

In Virginia anyway it is required that you use .23 cal or higher for big game hunting.

I think theres more States that DONT allow .223 (55.6) for deer then there are that do, but the point is a blanket statement like "You cant use it for deer legally" is false. There are some States where you can. I cant in either Kansas or Nebraska (Well, I dont think in Kansas....)

Not that I would use it anyways, I prefer something a bit bigger for deer. But for praire dogs, wild hogs or target shooting you just about cant beat the .223

Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

Well about the 1000 yards, accurately it's not that good of a round you need at least a 70-75 grain bullit with a barrel at a high rate of twist.

looking at it that way any match grade rifle can keep up.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

In Virginia anyway it is required that you use .23 cal or higher for big game hunting.

I think theres more States that DONT allow .223 (55.6) for deer then there are that do, but the point is a blanket statement like "You cant use it for deer legally" is false. There are some States where you can. I cant in either Kansas or Nebraska (Well, I dont think in Kansas....)

Not that I would use it anyways, I prefer something a bit bigger for deer. But for praire dogs, wild hogs or target shooting you just about cant beat the .223

Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

Well about the 1000 yards, accurately it's not that good of a round you need at least a 70-75 grain bullit with a barrel at a high rate of twist.

looking at it that way any match grade rifle can keep up.

Wont argue that. 80grainers are worth their weight in gold when your lookin at paper that far away.
But the point is, it goes to show the versatility of the gun.
You can even run a 1-9 twist and use the heavier grain bullets like the 70's or higher if you have a long barrel (24")

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

In Virginia anyway it is required that you use .23 cal or higher for big game hunting.

I think theres more States that DONT allow .223 (55.6) for deer then there are that do, but the point is a blanket statement like "You cant use it for deer legally" is false. There are some States where you can. I cant in either Kansas or Nebraska (Well, I dont think in Kansas....)

Not that I would use it anyways, I prefer something a bit bigger for deer. But for praire dogs, wild hogs or target shooting you just about cant beat the .223

Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

Well about the 1000 yards, accurately it's not that good of a round you need at least a 70-75 grain bullit with a barrel at a high rate of twist.

looking at it that way any match grade rifle can keep up.

Wont argue that. 80grainers are worth their weight in gold when your lookin at paper that far away.
But the point is, it goes to show the versatility of the gun.
You can even run a 1-9 twist and use the heavier grain bullets like the 70's or higher if you have a long barrel (24")

The way I understood it, with a 1 in 9" twist you can accurately fire up to a 70 grain and can fir a 75 grain without damage. Higher than that you need to start looking and 1 in 8" twist or higher. I forget how low you can go with a 1 in 8" twist barrel though.

 

[MisterFloppy]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Nice links. But I prefer to shop at RedWolfAirSoft.
I got the G3SAS (Tokyo Marui) with Level 4 upgrade. Was also foolish enough to pay for the desert camo paintjob.

The damn thing shipped with the generic plastic piston. It stripped after about 100 rounds. Cost me $65 plus parts to have it fixed here in the US.

But (overall) an excellent gun.

(P.S. If you have no clue what the heck I am talking about, then it wasnt meant for you.)

Uhhh sir, I believe you are lost, this thread is about real firearms.

 

[thejackal1]

Originally posted by: Descartes
This is a serious question not at all meant to antagonize: What do you do with those rifles?

To shoot people and go postal at work.

 

[Silversierra]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
That is not a rifle, that is an assualt weapon. How soon till we hear about you on the news when you kill a dozen people in your school, or place of work?

Now understand I own hand guns for protection, and rifle's and shotguns for hunting. I see only one use for an assualt weapon, and it is not for either of the above, unless you intend to add people to your hunting list.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.
Hunters are our worst enemies in the battle to Keep and Bear Arms. They think as long as they can have their ancient piece of crap rifle to shoot deer everything will be ok.
Disgusting. Completely unforgivable that as a gun owners you yourself would support laws banning guns. :frown:

Your no gun owner, no matter WHAT you may think of yourself.

I had to read this a few times, because it seemed your point would prove the point of those in opposition to your desire to keep such rifles.

I am not a hunter, but using your description of hunters it would seem that they keep that which is useful to their purposes. I then ask again: What purpose does your rifle serve? I'd question the faculties of anyone purchasing such guns that can't be used for any practical purpose.

The origional purpose of a rifle in .223 rem is for varmints or preditors, ie coyotes, groundhogs, prarie dogs, ect. In fact it is illegal to hunt deer with them as considered inhumane because of the small caliber size.

5.56 mm became the standard military cartridge which for the most part is interchangable with .223 rem witht he exception of the "throat" of the cartridge, which led to military weapons that look cool and made people want to own them.

No, it IS legal to hunt deer with them, depending on State laws.
Check your lcoal state laws concerning this.

In PA .223 is legal. Any centerfire is for deer. So a .22 hornet, .17rem, etc are all legal. Too bad .22lr isn't.

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: thejackal1

Originally posted by: Descartes
This is a serious question not at all meant to antagonize: What do you do with those rifles?

To shoot people and go postal at work.

You all can bite my ass if you don't think law abiding citizens should be able to own any firearms they please.

Want to know what I do with my rifles and other handguns? I shoot shit. Water jugs, paper, cardboard, anything. It's a blast. I also have incase I need to defend my home and family.

With an attitude like yours, why don't you just post a sign on your front door saying "Minimum security- Please come and rape my wife and murder my children"

STFU with that "Assault Weapon" bullshit. That was a legal term that had ONLY to do with the damn cosmetic features of a rifle. If you can't see that, you're a dolt. It had absolutly nothing to do with a gun being more deadly, just how it looks.

Don't believe the Brady bunch's bullshit. So called "assault weapons" are only used .01% of all violent crimes. You're more likeley to be stabbed to bludgenoned to death than shot. Infact, more children died from falling off of furniture than being shot.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
That is not a rifle, that is an assualt weapon. How soon till we hear about you on the news when you kill a dozen people in your school, or place of work?

Now understand I own hand guns for protection, and rifle's and shotguns for hunting. I see only one use for an assualt weapon, and it is not for either of the above, unless you intend to add people to your hunting list.

Just like people have race cars only to drive at high speeds on the highways and city streets, huh? People NEVER drive race cars in controlled environments in sanctioned races, just joy rides day in and out.

Asshat.

Except that people can still drive these "race cars" to work, to the grocery store, etc.; they serve a definitely casual purpose as well.

sports car/ricer != race car. Race car = car for racing.

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
That is not a rifle, that is an assualt weapon. How soon till we hear about you on the news when you kill a dozen people in your school, or place of work?

Now understand I own hand guns for protection, and rifle's and shotguns for hunting. I see only one use for an assualt weapon, and it is not for either of the above, unless you intend to add people to your hunting list.

Read up, elitist a**hole. The second amendment is clearly about the citizenry overthrowing the government should it become tyrannical. This is 100 fu***ing percent clear from various other quotes from the same people that wrote the damn thing.

Yeah, I'm so likely to go shoot up a school or workplace. What makes me so special from the hundreds of thousands of other owners of AR15s, SAR1s, etc that havn't done it?

You're everything that is wrong with gun owners today.


No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776


That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
The following quote is from Halbrook, Stephen P., That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right


We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright


If the time comes, which I really sincerely hope it doesn't, you'll be the one blindly submitting while we'll be the ones fighting.


And to answer another question, I had the lower for about 4 years with a 20" upper and just recely got the no-ban M4 upper and collapsible stock. So no, I didn't model it after CS. It's just a conicidence that I think the AR15 and USP are the best weapons in real life.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

i love how they are the same guns as in CS

me jealous

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because theres so many drive by bayonettings......

LOL. Good point. I find that rationale irritating as to why they outlaw throwing stars but guns are fine...

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

I'm not aware of any M16 or standard variation thereof that can fire a 5.56mm round with >1000yd accuracy on point targets. Even area target accuracy is max 800 yds with the m16 and its more accurate than the M4s. Are you talking about some specialized sniper rifle firing the 5.56?

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because theres so many drive by bayonettings......

LOL. Good point. I find that rationale irritating as to why they outlaw throwing stars but guns are fine...

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

I'm not aware of any M16 or standard variation thereof that can fire a 5.56mm round with >1000yd accuracy on point targets. Even area target accuracy is max 800 yds with the m16 and its more accurate than the M4s. Are you talking about some specialized sniper rifle firing the 5.56?

M16s can hit point targets at 600yrds and area targets at 800 yrds. You're correct.

But the M16 is not more accurate than the M4- it just has more range. Out to about 300yrds, An M4 will shoot about the same as an 16. The M16 just has a longer bbl which gives more velocity, which gives more range. A shortner bbl is actually a little more accurate than a longer one since it is more stout and has less bbl whip and harmoic vibration.

 

[midwestfisherman]

Originally posted by: 3NF
What do you shoot with that, people?

I just love ignorant people! :disgust:

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: jciiv

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
That is not a rifle, that is an assualt weapon. How soon till we hear about you on the news when you kill a dozen people in your school, or place of work?

Now understand I own hand guns for protection, and rifle's and shotguns for hunting. I see only one use for an assualt weapon, and it is not for either of the above, unless you intend to add people to your hunting list.

Read up, elitist a**hole. The second amendment is clearly about the citizenry overthrowing the government should it become tyrannical. This is 100 fu***ing percent clear from various other quotes from the same people that wrote the damn thing.

Yeah, I'm so likely to go shoot up a school or workplace. What makes me so special from the hundreds of thousands of other owners of AR15s, SAR1s, etc that havn't done it?

You're everything that is wrong with gun owners today.


No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776


That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.
The following quote is from Halbrook, Stephen P., That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right


We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright


If the time comes, which I really sincerely hope it doesn't, you'll be the one blindly submitting while we'll be the ones fighting.


And to answer another question, I had the lower for about 4 years with a 20" upper and just recely got the no-ban M4 upper and collapsible stock. So no, I didn't model it after CS. It's just a conicidence that I think the AR15 and USP are the best weapons in real life.

lol suuuuureeee buddy. And i think the glock/AK are the best weapons in real life. =) Actually though, you could argue that the glock and AK ARE the best weapons because of their reliability. But i digress...

"Those who beat their swords into plow shares, usually end up plowing for those who didn't."
-Unknown

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: jciiv

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because theres so many drive by bayonettings......

LOL. Good point. I find that rationale irritating as to why they outlaw throwing stars but guns are fine...

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

I'm not aware of any M16 or standard variation thereof that can fire a 5.56mm round with >1000yd accuracy on point targets. Even area target accuracy is max 800 yds with the m16 and its more accurate than the M4s. Are you talking about some specialized sniper rifle firing the 5.56?

M16s can hit point targets at 600yrds and area targets at 800 yrds. You're correct.

But the M16 is not more accurate than the M4- it just has more range. Out to about 300yrds, An M4 will shoot about the same as an 16. The M16 just has a longer bbl which gives more velocity, which gives more range. A shortner bbl is actually a little more accurate than a longer one since it is more stout and has less bbl whip and harmoic vibration.

It's actually technically "550 meters" but i'll let ya slide on that one... Yeah, what i meant by "more accurate" was that it can hit more accurately at longer ranges. But you know what i meant. I'm still wondering what that "1000+ yds" meant with that other guy.

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

lol suuuuureeee buddy. And i think the glock/AK are the best weapons in real life. =) Actually though, you could argue that the glock and AK ARE the best weapons because of their reliability. But i digress...

"Those who beat their swords into plow shares, usually end up plowing for those who didn't."
-Unknown

no really, didn't even cross my mind until now.

the M16 system when properly maintained is very reliable, and 5.56 x 45 is a lot more deadly inside 300yrds than 7.62 x 39, which has similar ballistics to .38 special. And the USP is known to have better reliablity than the glock, even when not maintained.

 

[calyco]

Damnn you guys are hardcore with your rifles. Its hard enough trying to get a license just for a pistol here in NYC.

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: deviant03
Damnn you guys are hardcore with your rifles. Its hard enough trying to get a license just for a pistol here in NYC.

If you get a chance, move to a free state.

You can get the same rifle as me in NY (not sure about NYC though- may be city ordanances), just without all the cool cosmetic features like flash suppressor and collapsable stock.

Check out http://www.bushmaster.com and look at the post-ban models.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: jciiv

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Because theres so many drive by bayonettings......

LOL. Good point. I find that rationale irritating as to why they outlaw throwing stars but guns are fine...

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Very light recoil, good terminal ballistics, cheap rounds. Its an excellent gun. And more then capable of going 1000 yards. Very good round, just not big enough (In my mind) for deer.

I'm not aware of any M16 or standard variation thereof that can fire a 5.56mm round with >1000yd accuracy on point targets. Even area target accuracy is max 800 yds with the m16 and its more accurate than the M4s. Are you talking about some specialized sniper rifle firing the 5.56?

M16s can hit point targets at 600yrds and area targets at 800 yrds. You're correct.

But the M16 is not more accurate than the M4- it just has more range. Out to about 300yrds, An M4 will shoot about the same as an 16. The M16 just has a longer bbl which gives more velocity, which gives more range. A shortner bbl is actually a little more accurate than a longer one since it is more stout and has less bbl whip and harmoic vibration.

It's actually technically "550 meters" but i'll let ya slide on that one... Yeah, what i meant by "more accurate" was that it can hit more accurately at longer ranges. But you know what i meant. I'm still wondering what that "1000+ yds" meant with that other guy.

Hey DJ - don't Marines have to qualify @ 500 yards yearly? Army is 100 correct? I was about to point out the 300 yards accuracy thing but seems like you did that quite well

BTW - is Palm Springs a Marine or a Navy base?

 

[cmp1223]

Originally posted by: jciiv
The second amendment is clearly about the citizenry overthrowing the government should it become tyrannical. This is 100 fu***ing percent clear from various other quotes from the same people that wrote the damn thing.

If the time comes, which I really sincerely hope it doesn't, you'll be the one blindly submitting while we'll be the ones fighting.

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. I think owning a gun is fine, and a assualt rifle is pushing it but i guess it is OK. But please, don't try to justify yourself owning such a killing device on the off possibility that you will need to pop a senator in a second revolution. And BTW, the Constitution is a living document, some of what mattered in the days of Jefferson don't matter much today. But hey, I'm sure you know more than me about what those people thought 200 plus years ago.

 

[jciiv]

Originally posted by: cmp1223

Originally posted by: jciiv
The second amendment is clearly about the citizenry overthrowing the government should it become tyrannical. This is 100 fu***ing percent clear from various other quotes from the same people that wrote the damn thing.

If the time comes, which I really sincerely hope it doesn't, you'll be the one blindly submitting while we'll be the ones fighting.

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. I think owning a gun is fine, and a assualt rifle is pushing it but i guess it is OK. But please, don't try to justify yourself owning such a killing device on the off possibility that you will need to pop a senator in a second revolution. And BTW, the Constitution is a living document, some of what mattered in the days of Jefferson don't matter much today. But hey, I'm sure you know more than me about what those people thought 200 plus years ago.

I didn't say that was the reason I owned this rifle. I said it is why the second amendment was written. I did however say that IF it does happen, we'll be the ones prepared.

let me ask you a question- What are you going to do if the US becomes a Stalin-esque regime?

 

[cmp1223]

Well, I would first have faith that our system of checks and balances, distribution of power, and the check of the press and of course the voting public, would keep this from happening as it has since 1776. And if it ever did become the Stalin-esque regime you speak of, i probably wouldn't fight, because if those future americans couldn't have solved it already without guns, i doubt they will solve it with guns. By the time that happens, the sipir of america has already been lost.