StinkyPinky
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Who cares about chickens?? Perhaps we should kill even more of them to feed the poor in Africa. Personally I'm more concerned about humans.
flavio
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Seems like there's alot of people here that are actually INTO treating animals badly. Maybe it's just that you don't have to see it. The chicken is already diced up, cooked, and in a greasy bucket before you ever have to think about it.
I'm not a vegetarian but I limit my meat intake pretty well and I would prefer that the animals I do eat not suffer a horrible existence while they are alive. There's nothing wrong with promoting ideas/practices like free-range chickens.
I'm not a vegetarian but I limit my meat intake pretty well and I would prefer that the animals I do eat not suffer a horrible existence while they are alive. There's nothing wrong with promoting ideas/practices like free-range chickens.
One bit I really don't care for is force-molting. They purposely keep laying hens from eating or drinking for periods of several days to force them into another molting cycle and keep them laying more eggs. A LOT of chickens die of starvation or dehydration during this time, but they're simply gathered (at some point) and sent off to chicken-burger-land.
Technically, there's nothing *wrong* with eating certain meats or animal products, but this whole idea of "whatever it takes to save money" approach is beyond revolting. Until there's a better way, I'll just try my best to not support these rotten industries with MY money. If they don't get money, they'll change.
Unfortunately, most people (and about +50% on here) don't think about anything more than Homer Simpson might.
"Mmm.... Yummy. What else matters?"
Technically, there's nothing *wrong* with eating certain meats or animal products, but this whole idea of "whatever it takes to save money" approach is beyond revolting. Until there's a better way, I'll just try my best to not support these rotten industries with MY money. If they don't get money, they'll change.
Unfortunately, most people (and about +50% on here) don't think about anything more than Homer Simpson might.
"Mmm.... Yummy. What else matters?"
Originally posted by: bluemax
One bit I really don't care for is force-molting. They purposely keep laying hens from eating or drinking for periods of several days to force them into another molting cycle and keep them laying more eggs. A LOT of chickens die of starvation or dehydration during this time, but they're simply gathered (at some point) and sent off to chicken-burger-land.
Technically, there's nothing *wrong* with eating certain meats or animal products, but this whole idea of "whatever it takes to save money" approach is beyond revolting. Until there's a better way, I'll just try my best to not support these rotten industries with MY money. If they don't get money, they'll change.
Unfortunately, most people (and about +50% on here) don't think about anything more than Homer Simpson might.
"Mmm.... Yummy. What else matters?"
Wow I didn't know about the molting. Thanks for informing me. From now on I'm just eating free range eggs.
Anyone who has ever owned chickens will tell you that they're definately NOT as smart as dogs or cats by leaps and bounds.
Evadman
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Originally posted by: bluemax
One bit I really don't care for is force-molting. They purposely keep laying hens from eating or drinking for periods of several days to force them into another molting cycle and keep them laying more eggs. A LOT of chickens die of starvation or dehydration during this time, but they're simply gathered (at some point) and sent off to chicken-burger-land.
Technically, there's nothing *wrong* with eating certain meats or animal products, but this whole idea of "whatever it takes to save money" approach is beyond revolting. Until there's a better way, I'll just try my best to not support these rotten industries with MY money. If they don't get money, they'll change.
Unfortunately, most people (and about +50% on here) don't think about anything more than Homer Simpson might.
"Mmm.... Yummy. What else matters?"
They also keep them inside, and shorten the length of their "day" so they lay more eggs. That is one reason the shells are so thin.
I hate eggs anyway, so no problem 4 me there
You know, it's funny, if these people just went out and worked a normal job, they might actually qualify as some sort of positive contributor to humanity.
Evadman
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Originally posted by: lowtech
Urban legend, you are living in the city for too long.Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Right......
Aren't chickens the ones that stare at the sky when it starts to rain, and they won't stop? So you have to bring them inside when it rains or they'll drown?
Actually, turkeys do this.
StinkyPinky
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Liike I said, I care more about humans. Yeah, in an ideal world each chicken would get better treatment. The problem being that would increase the price of chicken meat to a level where many people couldn't afford it.
I would rather people get a balanced and healthy diet, rather than having animals lead a good life before getting killed. It's all about priorites in my book and chickens are very low on my list. Same for any other animal. It saddens me when I see people get more upset over treatment of birds, than fellow human beings overseas. Do you think a starving African cares about where his one egg a year comes from? Or if his crops are GE? These worries are worries of rich people in rich countries.
I would rather people get a balanced and healthy diet, rather than having animals lead a good life before getting killed. It's all about priorites in my book and chickens are very low on my list. Same for any other animal. It saddens me when I see people get more upset over treatment of birds, than fellow human beings overseas. Do you think a starving African cares about where his one egg a year comes from? Or if his crops are GE? These worries are worries of rich people in rich countries.
I am inclined to agree with this. As utterly tastey as I find those meat-bearing critters, particularly meaty critters that go easy on the wallet, there needs to be tougher regulations and better enforcement.
The problem is this:
Farmer A has a degree in some agribusiness or livestock related studies, and runs a very modern farm which utilizes all of today's technology to maximize efficiency, reduce costs, and improve yields. Except Farmer A is from a long family tradition of farming, agriculture, and livestock. A modern man with 'traditional' agrarian sensibilities and values, Farmer A has standards for the treatment of his animals.
Independent Farmer A finds himself having to compete with Corporation B, who sees nothing redeeming whatsoever in animals or agriculture except the $$ it can make them. No tradition, no agrarian culture or values, no respect for anything other than the $$.
So Corporation B packs animals in to the most dense and unsanitary conditions ever devised, "treating" the fatal maladies and disease caused by these conditions using drugs to keep the animals alive long enough for slaughter, conditions Farmer A finds repulsive, but has little choice but to practice because he'll go under if he doesn't.
Farmer A cannot long stomach these practices so he sells his farm to Corporation C, a competitor of Corporation B. Corporation B and C now try to 'out horrify' each other, in the conditions they subject animals to for maximum profit.
Now I don't want PETA or any animal rights weirdos to have a hand in the formulation of regulations or standards for livestock farms, because the goal of these folks is to have no animals used for any human purposes whatsoever. Not only would we have to give a Lay-Z-Boy recliner, a television, a masseuse, and one acre of open range to every chicken, but we wouldn't be able to eat them until they died of old age, if PETA had its way.
So I would like to see objective regulations and standards which do not try to achieve 'emotional' or 'psychological' welfare of animals, but in the interest of the animal's basic physical health. It just so happens that regulations formulated with the goal of improving the physical health of an animal will invariably be more humane.
Why would anyone want to eat an animal which but for being constantly treated with antibiotics and other drugs from the moment they are hatched or born would have long died from disease?
I keep wracking my brain, thinking of something more succinct to say... and yet, I fail.
Someone who has the time and talent to make that website (however marginally designed it may be) should have the intelligence to use their time more wisely (i.e. introducing legislation combating unethical treatment of animals, etc). Or, designing services and products that compete with those offered.
Vic
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Behold the pinnacle of decadence in luxury. :disgust: :|Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
They're boycotting KFC...this is a near quote: "The chickens are being abused and are not being allowed to spend time with their families." The guy that's representing PETA was cracking me up because he sounded like an idiot.
They have a website that I haven't checked out yet, but it's at http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com
Wonder what they think about starving people?
Originally posted by: Vic
Behold the pinnacle of decadence in luxury. :disgust: :|Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
They're boycotting KFC...this is a near quote: "The chickens are being abused and are not being allowed to spend time with their families." The guy that's representing PETA was cracking me up because he sounded like an idiot.
They have a website that I haven't checked out yet, but it's at http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com
Wonder what they think about starving people?:|
Ditto.
flavio
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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Vic
Behold the pinnacle of decadence in luxury. :disgust: :|Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
They're boycotting KFC...this is a near quote: "The chickens are being abused and are not being allowed to spend time with their families." The guy that's representing PETA was cracking me up because he sounded like an idiot.
They have a website that I haven't checked out yet, but it's at http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com
Wonder what they think about starving people?:|
Ditto.
I'll bet you they don't like to see people starve. Just a hunch though.
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Vic
Behold the pinnacle of decadence in luxury. :disgust: :|Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
They're boycotting KFC...this is a near quote: "The chickens are being abused and are not being allowed to spend time with their families." The guy that's representing PETA was cracking me up because he sounded like an idiot.
They have a website that I haven't checked out yet, but it's at http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com
Wonder what they think about starving people?:|
Ditto.
I'll bet you they don't like to see people starve. Just a hunch though.
Why aren't they out there, making websites protesting the deplorable treatment of child laborers in China instead?
flavio
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WHo knows? Why don't you make one?
There are lots of issues out there. I can't see why it bothers you that someone is interested in treating animals a little better. What's your stance? Are you intomal torture or just don't care when animals get tortured?
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