PETA on Crossfire CNN - Boycotting KFC

[CPA]

for those of you wanting an understanding of why beaks are trimmed and how they are done check this site: Interesting.

Seems like the first portion of the video is standard not only in the industry but with many home-raised chickens.

 

[cavdraco]

speaking from experiance ranchers only control the time of year that cattle reproduce to make it easier on the farmer and the calves, cows will have 1 ( maybe 2 ) calves a year wheather we control it or not. if you say ranchers control how much they reproduce you have never been around a farm long enough to learn anything and are just spuoting about things you know nothing about. and as for farming grazing land, you cant, it is usually too hilly and would cause more damage to the environment if it were plowed under. Before you spout off about farmers and ranchers you should really get the true facts family farms are being forced to sell out to big corperations because they cant compete and when the family farm is gone the US is really going to be in trouble because we will be importing most of our food from other countries. I for one would rather not depend on other countries for food like we depend on opec for oil we have seen what kind of a disaster that can be.

Cav

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
People should Boycott KFC just for their health. 30% of Americans are obese and you can attribute much of that to joints selling fried Poison like KFC and McDonalds

Can you really fault the restaurants for selling a legal product that the public demands? The problem as I see it is that we as consumers are largely inactive and inattentive to the nutrition in our food. People need to get off of their fat arses and exercise more often.

ZV

No sh!t Sherlock. If Tobacco Companies can sell their poison, Grease Pits like KFC should be able to sell their finger licking poison too!

 

[crabbyman]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Liike I said, I care more about humans. Yeah, in an ideal world each chicken would get better treatment. The problem being that would increase the price of chicken meat to a level where many people couldn't afford it.

I would rather people get a balanced and healthy diet, rather than having animals lead a good life before getting killed. It's all about priorites in my book and chickens are very low on my list. Same for any other animal. It saddens me when I see people get more upset over treatment of birds, than fellow human beings overseas. Do you think a starving African cares about where his one egg a year comes from? Or if his crops are GE? These worries are worries of rich people in rich countries.

AMEN! I completely agree..my gf only gets angered at me when I say its either us humans or the animals. She would rather us die than animals..and that disturbs me a bit. I also think that Africans could care less about how well a chicken/cow/pig was treated just as long as they can survive and help maintain their family.


...although I do agree that how some animals are treated are far from nice...

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: crabbyman

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Liike I said, I care more about humans. Yeah, in an ideal world each chicken would get better treatment. The problem being that would increase the price of chicken meat to a level where many people couldn't afford it.

I would rather people get a balanced and healthy diet, rather than having animals lead a good life before getting killed. It's all about priorites in my book and chickens are very low on my list. Same for any other animal. It saddens me when I see people get more upset over treatment of birds, than fellow human beings overseas. Do you think a starving African cares about where his one egg a year comes from? Or if his crops are GE? These worries are worries of rich people in rich countries.

AMEN! I completely agree..my gf only gets angered at me when I say its either us humans or the animals. She would rather us die than animals..and that disturbs me a bit. I also think that Africans could care less about how well a chicken/cow/pig was treated just as long as they can survive and help maintain their family.


...although I do agree that how some animals are treated are far from nice...

How do you propose starving Africans obtain this American chicken and eggs?

The meat industry's purpose is to feed fat Americans, not starving Africans.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: crabbyman

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Liike I said, I care more about humans. Yeah, in an ideal world each chicken would get better treatment. The problem being that would increase the price of chicken meat to a level where many people couldn't afford it.

I would rather people get a balanced and healthy diet, rather than having animals lead a good life before getting killed. It's all about priorites in my book and chickens are very low on my list. Same for any other animal. It saddens me when I see people get more upset over treatment of birds, than fellow human beings overseas. Do you think a starving African cares about where his one egg a year comes from? Or if his crops are GE? These worries are worries of rich people in rich countries.

AMEN! I completely agree..my gf only gets angered at me when I say its either us humans or the animals. She would rather us die than animals..and that disturbs me a bit. I also think that Africans could care less about how well a chicken/cow/pig was treated just as long as they can survive and help maintain their family.


...although I do agree that how some animals are treated are far from nice...

This arguement completely falls on it's face by assuming that humans can't possibly have a healthy diet (KFC?) while companies obtain their meat in a responsible manner.

 

[BoberFett]

How can PETA boycott KFC? Everyone in that organization already doesn't eat there.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
How can PETA boycott KFC? Everyone in that organization already doesn't eat there.

SCORE!!!!!

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
How can PETA boycott KFC? Everyone in that organization already doesn't eat there.

I think the way that works normally is that by providing information they encourage people even outside of their organization to boycott.

 

[Corn]

But I haven't seen anything to back any of this up. Where ARE you getting this information?

How about from the founder of PETA's very own mouth?

"In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether."

"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."

Oh, I love this gem:

Newkirk: "I openly hope" foot and mouth epidemic hits the United States

Open your eyes flavio............

 

[flavio]

I'm not a PETA member and I don't doubt that they may have some extreme ideas that I don't agree with. But their agenda with KFC and encourage obtaining meat in a responsible way I don't see a problem with.

 

[bluemax]

Peta can kiss my ass if they want to get between me and my KFC.

There's that selfish attitude I was mentioning earlier. It's VERY prevalent, even if some people don't come right out and say it. Heck, I'm even rarely guilty of giving these jherkwads a couple bucks when I buy the occasional Whopper Jr for a very cheap meal. If the BK Veggie was not 2.5x more expensive just because it's a "specialty" product I'd buy nothing but (what can I say? I'm poor. The IT sector sucks right now.)

But the long and the short of it is that world population is exploding at an exponential rate. I guarantee that WITHIN OUR LIFETIMES, we're going to see explosion and food problems like you wouldn't believe. It's already getting bad, unseen to fat North Americans (throwing in my fellow Canadians there) because we're so richly blessed with land mass. This won't last, as is already obvious.

Between pollution poisoning the land itself, drying up into desert, being covered with cities, or being used for inefficient meat production (and poisoned by the TONS of animal body waste that's simply dumped instead of treated) even our vast fields are disappearing rapidly.

At some point within the next 20 to 50 years, all the fat bastards are going to have no CHOICE but to make a change. Imagine when all of a sudden food prices are double, then 10x higher, largely in part because of these guys! People will then WANT to make the switch to farming instead of ranching (if you could call meat factories "ranching") but by then buch of the farmland will be rendered almost useless by pollution or covered in cities. Then comes anarchy, canned food and shotguns, looting, and rednecks heading for the hills with their canned food and shotguns.

Do I paint a picture or what?

 

[Corn]

Do I paint a picture or what?

Yes chicken little, you do.

So, what is you solution? Banning meat consumption and free ownership of property or forced sterilization of the population........

 

[Jmman]

I think someone has been watching too many movies like "Total Recall." "Food riot in progress".......

Well, feel free to eat whatever you want. Hell, if you want to eat the lawn trimmings after I mow, help yourself. I will even deliver them, since that is what kind of guy I am.. But when you start telling me what I can eat, what I can drive, what words I can use without the fear of offending someone on God's green earth, in the immortal word's of Judas Priest "You've got another thing coming!" Maybe we should have a box that we can check on our taxes in order to raise money to buy an island where these wackos can live in a grass hut or something, because it is getting out of hand.....:|

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Corn

Do I paint a picture or what?

Yes chicken little, you do.

So, what is you solution? Banning meat consumption and free ownership of property or forced sterilization of the population........

Well since you're the smart guy with all the answers, maybe I'll leave that up to you.
I didn't mean to disturb your nice, settled lifetstyle by pointing out those darn niggling facts that there are consequences to action and/or inaction.
So terribly sorry I came between you and your burger. Try a BK Veggie... you might be jolly surprised.


Let me say it once again, I have no love for PETA - their methods are foolish and revolting. More like PETA secretly works for the meat industry by offending people about "animal loving nutballs" and buying more burgers!

If you put aside issues about animal cruelty and even human dietary health it still comes down to the fact that within 50 years we'll have a population-vs-food supply crisis of unheard of proportions. What will the solution(s) be? One of them will be less meat and more crops I hope (but then the addicts to can't live without meat at every meal will start poaching any animal they can get their hands on...) but for population control? Will we wind up like countries in the Far East with tight regulations on children? Abortions and baby-killing (after birth) rampant... forced sterilizations? Let's just say that it'll be ugly.... very ugly. The population at large (very large... and have had things very easy in this rich and abundant continent) will revolt if they can summon the energy.

There is no solution because it would mean thinking beyond yourself and most people are simply far too selfish for that. This problem won't even get seriously looked at until it's a severe crisis.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Jmman
I think someone has been watching too many movies like "Total Recall." "Food riot in progress".......

Well, feel free to eat whatever you want. Hell, if you want to eat the lawn trimmings after I mow, help yourself. I will even deliver them, since that is what kind of guy I am.. But when you start telling me what I can eat, what I can drive, what words I can use without the fear of offending someone on God's green earth, in the immortal word's of Judas Priest "You've got another thing coming!" Maybe we should have a box that we can check on our taxes in order to raise money to buy an island where these wackos can live in a grass hut or something, because it is getting out of hand.....:|

Does that mean that you are FOR mistreating animals? I think the campaign in question is about providing information about how KFC conducts business and encouraging them to be more responsible. Not some desire to tell you what you can drive.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Do I paint a picture or what?

Yes you do.

It's a crock of fecal matter, but quite a picture. The world's food production is increasing far faster than the population. The only foreseeable serious shortage that is likely is seafood, but even that is unlikely as the international fishing community is getting better and controlling itself.

 

[tcsenter]

How can PETA boycott KFC? Everyone in that organization already doesn't eat there.

They can't. PETA "claims" to have ended their boycotts against McDonald's and other causes 'only after' PETA's goals were met. This is a crock of sh-t and 100% false. PETA has not credibly caused anyone to 'change' their business practices because PETA quite simply does not command enough influence or respect among NON-PETA members who patron these establishments. Use a little common sense here...how on earth would McDonald's be 'harmed' by a boycott from people who NEVER patroned McDonald's to begin with? Of course its illogical and specious. How many people here are "shocked" by the practices of KFC's farmers? None, particularly, we know what goes on in those places, but we eat there, anyway.

What happens is that PETA realizes that nothing is being done, they are having no effect, so they just decide to move on to the next 'target', maybe they'll have an effect there. You can't spread yourself too thin by trying to take on the entire fast food industry at once, or waste a lot of time concentrating on one particular company without success, before you have to decide to move on to maximize your exposure and publicity.

 

[bluemax]

It's a crock of fecal matter, but quite a picture. The world's food production is increasing far faster than the population. The only foreseeable serious shortage that is likely is seafood, but even that is unlikely as the international fishing community is getting better and controlling itself.

What planet do YOU live on???? Just where is all this mysterious food production coming from? Moon rocks??

Controlling itself? You're bloody well joking. Even in Canada only a few short years ago we were rattling our sabres about foreigners crossing into our waters and stealing MASSIVE amounts of turbot(sp?). International community getting better - BAH!
You're fooling yourself on all counts. I'll start digging up the information I gained my insights from and post them when I do.

One off the top of my head was a book titled, "To Feed This Nation". But that was only the tip of the iceberg.

EDIT:
#1 on my search on "world population food supply" turned up a good read, I'm digesting it as we speak... have a look:
http://www.syngentafoundation.com/food_security_population.htm

EDIT2: Hey... looks like you have a partial point! Food production HAS improved in the last 25 years... pity the world population has increased even faster.
Interesting statistic; the world population will have doubled from 1960 in only another year or so.... The last 40-50 years of human history is seeing its population DOUBLE. At that rate, another 20 years, then 10, etc.... yikes! Hope you like small apartment living.

 

[Corn]

Hope you like small apartment living.

 

[Vic]

Had some tasty chicken teriyaki bento for lunch today... thought of this thread.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: bluemax

People will then WANT to make the switch to farming instead of ranching (if you could call meat factories "ranching")

actually a lot of ranching happens in places where farming just wouldn't work.

 

[hagbard]

I boycott KFC not because they're nasty to their chickens but because they their corporate owners, Pepsi, is one of the largest corporate contributors to DARE.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: hagbard
I boycott KFC not because they're nasty to their chickens but because they their corporate owners, Pepsi, is one of the largest corporate contributors to DARE.

pepsi doesn't own them anymore. spun them off years ago.

 

[desy]

Yep if it was worth putting a crop in the ground they would do that instead of ranching.
The world is not running out of food and won't , its running out of customers that can afford to pay for it.
People are omnivores we eat both meat and plant matter just as effeciently but if it wasn't for the high protein of meat we would still be drfting around looking under rocks for something to eat.
If you have a complaint about farming pratices I can see that. Have seen a lot of stuff that would make you city boys squeak. .
Make no mistake livestock is there for one reason, to feed us, some ways its worse today and others its better.
I don't think PETA will have an impact other than making their particular brand of activism the household name. .