People from England - curious about something

[Cogman]

Good point, and while I do have an accent it is just the plain "BBC English" accent, it's not a south England or North England thing, it's just BBC English, some people in the south call me posh.



Yeah we went through that earlier in the thread already, swing back.



Yeah we went through that earlier in the thread already, swing back.

And your answer was incredibly stupid.

Linguistics when written down are linguistic theory, linguistic practice is audible



No, don't like it.

It isn't "theory". These guys didn't just get together one day and say "You know what, just to mess with the british, we are going to say that they put random rs at the end of their words!".

They OBSERVED it. These are people that have trained and studied SPOKEN (not written) language. You are ignoring experts in the field because your untrained ear can't catch it. You are the type of person that argues against evolutionary biologists because it is all "theory" that doesn't jive with your personal beliefs.

In short, you can either completely ignore science or you can can accept you are wrong.

 

[HAL9000]

And your answer was incredibly stupid.

It isn't "theory". These guys didn't just get together one day and say "You know what, just to mess with the british, we are going to say that they put random rs at the end of their words!".

They OBSERVED it. These are people that have trained and studied SPOKEN (not written) language. You are ignoring experts in the field because your untrained ear can't catch it. You are the type of person that argues against evolutionary biologists because it is all "theory" that doesn't jive with your personal beliefs.

In short, you can either completely ignore science or you can can accept you are wrong.

Brilliant! I'm not acknowledging this linguistic theory without hearing some video / audio proof, which in 101 posts no one has provided.

Edit: I've just read that wikipedia link for the first time and it argues exactly my point!

Thus, in isolation, speakers of non-rhotic accents pronounce the words tuner and tuna identically

I pronounce tuner and tuna exactly the same! There is no magic R sound after tuner, I speak in a non-rhotic accent!... As I've been arguing (without knowing the correct term) this entire thread.

 

[Cogman]

Brilliant! I'm not acknowledging this linguistic theory without hearing some video / audio proof, which in 101 posts no one has provided.

Edit: I've just read that wikipedia link for the first time and it argues exactly my point! I pronounce tuner and tuna exactly the same! There is no magic R sound after tuner, I speak in a non-rhotic accent!... As I've been arguing (without knowing the correct term) this entire thread.

You twat.

That makes our point. That says that you are throwing in random rs where they don't belong (since apparently reading comprehension is also low in england).

In contrast, speakers of rhotic dialects, such as those of Scotland, Ireland and most of North America, always pronounce an [r] in tuner and never in tuna so that the two always sound distinct, even when pronounced in isolation

In other words, non-rhotic dialects are the ones with the magic rs.

Rhotic dialects do not feature intrusive R. A rhotic speaker may use alternative strategies such as a hiatus between the two consecutive vowel sounds, or the insertion of a glottal stop to clarify the boundary between the two words.

 

[HAL9000]

You twat.

Didn't read the rest. Cant be fucked with people who won't discuss things civilly.

 

[Cogman]

Didn't read the rest. Cant be fucked with people who won't discuss things civilly.

Apparently "not reading" is your biggest problem here.

 

[HAL9000]

Apparently "not reading" is your biggest problem here.

 

[tokie]

The UK accent is terrible. I can't understand any of the natives in this country. Apparently they can't understand my West Coast accent either.

Good thing London is mostly foreigners. I find it strange that I wish anyone I speak with is Eastern European or someone who speaks "international" English. That way, I understand them and they seem to understand me fine.

 

[HAL9000]

The UK accent is terrible. I can't understand any of the natives in this country. Apparently they can't understand my West Coast accent either.

Good thing London is mostly foreigners. I find it strange that I wish anyone I speak with is Eastern European or someone who speaks "international" English. That way, I understand them and they seem to understand me fine.

You must be OK with the standard English accent? I.e. the BBC English accent?

 

[tokie]

You must be OK with the standard English accent? I.e. the BBC English accent?

The problem is that nobody in real life here talks like that. Maybe 1 out of 20 native Londoners I speak with sound like that.

 

[HAL9000]

The problem is that nobody in real life here talks like that. Maybe 1 out of 20 native Londoners I speak with sound like that.

I do! :'(...

Depends where in London you are...

 

[tokie]

I would say the issue isn't really the accent, it is the speed of speech and people mumbling their accented words together. That's the part that I (and "international" English speakers) have trouble with.

 

[HAL9000]

I would say the issue isn't really the accent, it is the speed of speech and people mumbling their accented words together. That's the part that I (and "international" English speakers) have trouble with.

That's entirely possible, I guess it differs from person to person how "understandable" they are.

 

[Locut0s]

People usually don't realize their Accents. It takes someone else to mention them, then even after that one has to just accept that it's true. Of course the one who mentions it probably has their own quirky Accent and you just dismiss them because they don't speak right to begin with!

I've been told that me and my family say "eh" by an american we met on holiday. I believe him because he had no reason to lie but I am not aware of every saying "eh" my entire life.

 

[0roo0roo]

i just get annoyed how they say mall, they say it the way would say mal-evolent....it should be m-all.

 

[zinfamous]

Listen closely and you'll notice that the American southern accent is very similar to a British accent.

:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

Just going on the french pronunciation of a french word, *shrugs* ask them.

so you obviously have an issue with the "r" sound.

that is not how "dame" is pronounced in French.

http://www.forvo.com/word/notre_dame/

http://www.forvo.com/word/cath%C3%A9drale_notre-dame_de_reims/

so much fail, Hal. click play


...or are you just playing along at this point?
:hmm:

 

[HAL9000]

so you obviously have an issue with the "r" sound.

Perhaps I do, but my issue is that I don't pronounce it, not that I stick it in randomly at the end of China.

that is not how "dame" is pronounced in French.

Yes it is.

 

[zinfamous]

I have noticed this too.

Another oddity is the pronunciation of Beta. In North America we pronounce it bay tah, at least one Brit I've heard pronounces it: bee tah

Took me the longest time to figure out what he was saying.

"Oedipus"

American: "Eh-deh-pus"
British: "Ee-duh-pus"

though, I concede that one. :\

 

[zinfamous]

Perhaps I do, but my issue is that I don't pronounce it, not that I stick it in randomly at the end of China.



Yes it is.

you rube! I linked the exact same audio (and others) to show how wrong you are.

what the fuck is wrong with your ears?? explain where the fuck the "r" sound occurs in "dame." that soft ending is the "e," which is mostly swallowed.

in "notre" you hear the typical french pronunciation of "r," which is phlegmy.



lol. why would you actually edit out the links I gave you when responding to me. Are you trying to own that evidence as your own, when it clearly trashes your shitty ears?

 

[HAL9000]

you rube! I linked the exact same audio (and others) to show how wrong you are.

Must have missed that.

what the fuck is wrong with your ears?? explain where the fuck the "r" sound occurs in "dame" that soft ending is the "e," which is mostly swallowed.

The R I wrote is just to demonstrate the change in the tone of the A, the same as adding an H after it, you don't pronounce the R, just the change in the vowel, the same with the H, in my accent.

in "notre" you hear the typical french pronunciation of "t," which is phlegmy.

well yeah, you do pronounce the T...

Edit: found the links and what not, you added them in after I responded... Not a lot I can have done about that.

 

[zinfamous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R

Um, it is well known and documented by linguists... Is that proof enough? Or are you going to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la(rrr) la(rrr) la(rrr) I don't hear it!"

I linked that ages ago, good sir.

and pasted in a second post.



neckbeard continued to ignore it, as if some ephemeral suggestion--likening it "to theory"

 

[zinfamous]

True, but in this case, I'm not going to accept that I pronounce random R's in things without some proof, because I pronounce something differently to you guys doesn't mean I add an additional letter, it just means I do it differently.

lol. what the hell kind of garbage argument is this?

neckbeard--I mill make this simple for you--

if your pronunciation adds an extra "r" sound, that means you add an extra "r" sound.

yes, you say it differently--by adding an extra fucking "r."

stop being so god damn obtuse.

 

[Locut0s]

I liked that ages ago, good sir.

and pasted in a second post.

:Colbert:

Werll thirs threrad hars certairnly goner placers.

 

[zinfamous]

Must have missed that.



The R I wrote is just to demonstrate the change in the tone of the A, the same as adding an H after it, you don't pronounce the R, just the change in the vowel, the same with the H, in my accent.



well yeah, you do pronounce the T...

Edit: found the links and what not, you added them in after I responded... Not a lot I can have done about that.

i mistyped. go back, as I have edited. the last comment is about "r" not "t"

BULLSHIT. the first audio link was added before I posted. the second was an edit.

 

[HAL9000]

lol. what the hell kind of garbage argument is this?

neckbeard--I mill make this simple for you--

if your pronunciation adds an extra "r" sound, that means you add an extra "r" sound.

yes, you say it differently--by adding an extra fucking "r."

stop being so god damn obtuse.

OK I'll make this simple for you, some consonants just change the sound of the adjacent vowels without being pronounced themselves.

R is one of them in some cases, and in the way I type phonetically I use it as such.

I don't roll my tongue with an "arrr" sound when saying "Dame" I say "Dahm" or "Darm" (which in my accent sound exactly the same)