Pelosi using military jets for herself and family

[Craig234]

So is she paying for all this herself? She should be flying coach with the way she's bankrupting our country.

Hacp: Informing the forum the $1 trillion deficit comes from Nancy Pelosi's booze.

 

[Ozoned]

When higher mental functions fail to satisfy, modern rightwingers also tend to let their inner child have its way in pouting, raving and mocking, as Ozoned has done, above...

Even when they really have nothing to say, certainly nothing constructive, no counter requiring actual thought, they just have to say something, anything to arrive at the self-parody I pointed out.

It's a truly sad commentary on the results of 30 years of thinktank generated rightwing propaganda, on just how badly twisted and deformed public opinion has become as a result.

Ambiguity is context dependent. I didn't have to change the context.......

 

[Moonbeam]

Military planes or not you gotta love the way Nancy Pelosi flies up the right wing's ass.

 

[Double Trouble]

No problem with her flying military, but clearly she's also running up a huge tab of 'extras', and she's not flying alone either, she's using the military to fly her friends and family around. That's the part I have a problem with, along with the hypocrisy of talking about cutting costs and then personally running up huge tabs on the taxpayer's back. She can fly military and pay for all the booze etc herself. She can also pay herself if she wants to fly her friends and family around, like the rest of us commoners.

 

[Jhhnn]

My mind boggles at the monolithic idiocy and I find it disturbing to think some people actually might hold the positions they claim to hold. Especially those positions they have seen debunked before, yet persist in holding them for some special purpose that only they seem to understand.

Blind faith and petulance, Sandorski. I'd suggest, quite honestly, that you study up on the whole concept of addiction and denial, apply it to the political situation. Rightwingers really get off on self-righteous indignation, indulge in it whenever they can- they're hooked, strung out on the feeling it gives them, maybe more completely than crack addicts crave their toke.

Vic actually introduced the idea of "outrage addiction" to discussions on this forum some while back, and embracing it has been the only way I've found to explain what you describe as happening. Try it- everything fits.

 

[Craig234]

No problem with her flying military, but clearly she's also running up a huge tab of 'extras', and she's not flying alone either, she's using the military to fly her friends and family around. That's the part I have a problem with, along with the hypocrisy of talking about cutting costs and then personally running up huge tabs on the taxpayer's back. She can fly military and pay for all the booze etc herself. She can also pay herself if she wants to fly her friends and family around, like the rest of us commoners.

When she's flying between her home district and the capitol, what's wrong with her bringing people? This is not a one-passenger plane.

 

[nobodyknows]

No problem with her flying military, but clearly she's also running up a huge tab of 'extras', and she's not flying alone either, she's using the military to fly her friends and family around. That's the part I have a problem with, along with the hypocrisy of talking about cutting costs and then personally running up huge tabs on the taxpayer's back. She can fly military and pay for all the booze etc herself. She can also pay herself if she wants to fly her friends and family around, like the rest of us commoners.

Do you have some proof that she is doing something wrong/illegal or is your comment just more right-wingnut innuendo?

 

[CPA]

Nancy is awesome

She does such a great job pissing Republicans off as evidenced in here.

and wasting your tax money.

 

[Double Trouble]

and wasting your tax money.

Not likely, one has to actually have and keep a job to actually pay taxes

 

[Double Trouble]

Do you have some proof that she is doing something wrong/illegal or is your comment just more right-wingnut innuendo?

Lets see ... over a two year period she spent more than $100 thousand dollars on "in flight expenses like food and alcohol". That's $100,000 of your money and my money going to someone sitting on a flight.

$101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol.

Further, according to the information provided, 31 of the trips included her family. Do I get to fly around my family on the taxpayer's dime too? If she wants to fly the around, let her pay for it.

“Speaker Pelosi has a history of wasting taxpayer funds with her boorish demands for military travel. And these documents suggest the Speaker’s congressional delegations are more about partying than anything else,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

I'm sure that's more than a little tinged with bias, but the core of it matches what's been reported by other outlets previously.

 

[Jhhnn]

See what I mean, Sandorski?

They don't, they can't, because they're strung out, deep in denial...

Addiction kills people, and the kind exhibited by the rightwing threatens to kill democracy by destroying the capacity to reason that underlies rational political thought.

 

[sandorski]

See what I mean, Sandorski?

They don't, they can't, because they're strung out, deep in denial...

Addiction kills people, and the kind exhibited by the rightwing threatens to kill democracy by destroying the capacity to reason that underlies rational political thought.

'tis sad.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You're a Pelosi fan?? You better stop stealing drugs from your pharmacy!

Heh, that's what happens using a blackberry while being distracted.

Please insert "not"

 

[nick1985]

Not likely, one has to actually have and keep a job to actually pay taxes

zing

 

[EXman]

Do you have some proof that she is doing something wrong/illegal or is your comment just more right-wingnut innuendo?

Like you condone her spending 18k an hour on a plane that Congress beat up people about them coming to congress once on to discuss our automobile industry. So I guess your bullshit is left wing eletism.

IMO all Fer's in Washington should fly COACH until they balance a budget period.

 

[Craig234]

Blind faith and petulance, Sandorski. I'd suggest, quite honestly, that you study up on the whole concept of addiction and denial, apply it to the political situation. Rightwingers really get off on self-righteous indignation, indulge in it whenever they can- they're hooked, strung out on the feeling it gives them, maybe more completely than crack addicts crave their toke.

Vic actually introduced the idea of "outrage addiction" to discussions on this forum some while back, and embracing it has been the only way I've found to explain what you describe as happening. Try it- everything fits.

Actually, it's been introduced since at least 2007, and there's a next step to it. There's not just an outrage addiction, there's a *manufacturing* of outrage that creates that adduction, as with much marketing.

It's a formula - one well honed by Fox and others.

Here's an example of the phrase regarding the 'war on Christmas' item by Eskimospy in Nov 2007:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=24515733&highlight=manufactured+outrage#post24515733

There's anothe rference to the 'manufactured ouitrage' by the 'right-wing noise machine' the month before that by Stoneburner (in one of the threads I can't read on this browser).

I think when you combine the manufacture of outrage as a product with the addiction itr created it even better explains things. Why there are *always* nonsensical attacks, feeding the addiction.

They don't have to rational - that part of the brain isn't used - they just have to trigger the emotion.

And it's not even just creating the viewers; it's not even linking this addiction with a political agenda; it's preventing the people from listening to the other side.

 

[Aegeon]

Lets see ... over a two year period she spent more than $100 thousand dollars on "in flight expenses like food and alcohol". That's $100,000 of your money and my money going to someone sitting on a flight.

This is a falsehood.

Its very clear Pelosi DID NOT spend that much if you actually very carefully look at what is actually written in detail.

That figure INCLUDES ALL THE FOOD EXPENSES FOR ALL THE OTHER MANY CONGRESSMEN on Congressional delegation trips, with 56 Congressmen on one trip to Louisiana alone. We frankly have absolutely no clue from the Judicial Watch figures how much Pelosi actually personally spent on food costs.

Basically I consider the Judicial Watch link close to outright deception because everything is carefully phrased to give the clearly false impression Pelosi spent that much personally on food, which is clearly bogus.

 

[Craig234]

This is a falsehood.

Its very clear Pelosi DID NOT spend that much if you actually very carefully look at what is actually written in detail.

That figure INCLUDES ALL THE FOOD EXPENSES FOR ALL THE OTHER MANY CONGRESSMEN on Congressional delegation trips, with 56 Congressmen on one trip to Louisiana alone. We frankly have absolutely no clue from the Judicial Watch figures how much Pelosi actually personally spent on food costs.

Basically I consider the Judicial Watch link close to outright deception because everything is carefully phrased to give the clearly false impression Pelosi spent that much personally on food, which is clearly bogus.

I have cited Richard Mellon Scaife as the worst of the biollionares who pay for the radical right-wing organizations and propganda.

This is the same guy who has many such organizations but for example paid $50 million for a fund to pay anyone to go around Arkansas trying to dig up dirst on Clinton, with very low standards for accuracy.

Nearly all of Judicial Watch's funding came from him. Their history includes things like being the group who demanded the Navy investigate John Kerry's medals for being wrongly awarded (it did, they weren't).

THey do have a couple exceptions when they have gone after right-wing figures, for whatever reason, but their history is filled with a lot of the above as well.

 

[DealMonkey]

ZOMG!1 More faux right-wing outrage!

 

[palehorse]

How very Spartan of you to expect the same privledges as the Speaker of the House. Hell, you just as well expect some secret service protection also.

Notice that I take no issue with our Reps using military transport for their jaunts when security is an issue. For the same reason, it is perfectly reasonable and logical to assume that they'd also have a security detail. IOW, anything that is security-related is perfectly fine.

What I take issue with is the excess amenities -- caviar, champagne, expensive cognac, etc. -- that they have absolutely no right to enjoy at taxpayer expense. Like any other federal worker, there are rules and standards for travel expenses that they should also be required to adhere to. Those rules should apply to everyone. There is simply no excuse for their frivolous use of such amenities -- none -- especially during a time when our economy is in the shitter.

Also, while in the big scheme of things these amenity charges may not amount to much, it's quite simply the principles of the matter. For that reason, I honestly wouldn't expect you to understand, as you have none.

Btw, this applies to ALL elected officials, regardless of party, and regardless of what has been done in the past! ("change," remember?) The Republicans partying up at our expense are just as guilty, and just as wrong, as Pelosi and her cabal. They're all elitist fucks who enjoy setting fire to our money... all of them.

 

[nobodyknows]

Lets see ... over a two year period she spent more than $100 thousand dollars on "in flight expenses like food and alcohol". That's $100,000 of your money and my money going to someone sitting on a flight.



Further, according to the information provided, 31 of the trips included her family. Do I get to fly around my family on the taxpayer's dime too? If she wants to fly the around, let her pay for it.



I'm sure that's more than a little tinged with bias, but the core of it matches what's been reported by other outlets previously.

Got a source and a comparison to what Hasert spent? I'm guessing your too embarrsed to post the source or are selectively quoting it to fit your hack argument.

 

[Craig234]

Notice that I take no issue with our Reps using military transport for their jaunts when security is an issue. For the same reason, it is perfectly reasonable and logical to assume that they'd also have a security detail. IOW, anything that is security-related is perfectly fine.

What I take issue with is the excess amenities -- caviar, champagne, expensive cognac, etc. -- that they have absolutely no right to enjoy at taxpayer expense. Like any other federal worker, there are rules and standards for travel expenses that they should also be required to adhere to. Those rules apply to everyone. There is simply no excuse for their frivolous use of such amenities -- none -- especially during a time when our economy is in the shitter.

Also, while in the big scheme of things these amenity charges may not amount to much, it's quite simply the principles of the matter. For that reason, I honestly wouldn't expect you to understand, as you have none.

Btw, this applies to ALL elected officials, regardless of party. The Republicans partying up at our expense are just as guilty, and just as wrong, as Pelosi and her cabal.

I'm curious, what are the nice ameneties served to the Joint Chiefs of staff at taxpayer expense? I understand the military maintains a fleet of private luxury jets and many luxury recreation facilities?

 

[nobodyknows]

Notice that I take no issue with our Reps using military transport for their jaunts when security is an issue. For the same reason, it is perfectly reasonable and logical to assume that they'd also have a security detail. IOW, anything that is security-related is perfectly fine.

What I take issue with is the excess amenities -- caviar, champagne, expensive cognac, etc. -- that they have absolutely no right to enjoy at taxpayer expense. Like any other federal worker, there are rules and standards for travel expenses that they should also be required to adhere to. Those rules apply to everyone. There is simply no excuse for their frivolous use of such amenities -- none -- especially during a time when our economy is in the shitter.

Also, while in the big scheme of things these amenity charges may not amount to much, it's quite simply the principles of the matter. For that reason, I honestly wouldn't expect you to understand, as you have none.

Btw, this applies to ALL elected officials, regardless of party. The Republicans partying up at our expense are just as guilty, and just as wrong, as Pelosi and her cabal.

You voteds for this shit, so I guess we can now call you McHorsen. It seems to me the only thing you're upset about is that as a grunt you don't get the same treatment.

 

[nobodyknows]

Like you condone her spending 18k an hour on a plane that Congress beat up people about them coming to congress once on to discuss our automobile industry. So I guess your bullshit is left wing eletism.

IMO all Fer's in Washington should fly COACH until they balance a budget period.

On no, time to call for another whambulance for another right-wingunt whiner.

 

[palehorse]

You voteds for this shit, so I guess we can now call you McHorsen. It seems to me the only thing you're upset about is that as a grunt you don't get the same treatment.

So, you honestly have no problem paying for their caviar, couvassier, and champagne parties while they fly from point A to point B? Really?!

And no, I don't believe that such frivolous expenses have ever been up for public vote... if they had been, I would have shouted "No!" from every rooftop in town. But, like you, I did actually vote for "change" last year; however, all I'm seeing in DC is the same old elitist and detached shit that has always been there -- Pelosi being among the worst of the bunch.