Pelosi crazy.

[Zebo]

Ummmm.....Traditional Conservatives such as Pat Buchanan have always has been vehemently against free-trade agreements.

Pat and others like him ain't no liberals.

Umm I dunno about Pat, but unrestricted trade undercuts domestic policies for social good not to mention all the people shot fighting for rights. Like spitting in graves of soldiers. It puts us in a global labor arbitrage against police states who have no concerns about child labor, environmental laws, safety laws, product safety laws, minimum wage law, anti trust laws, IP laws, collective bargain laws and so forth. It essentially is a race to the bottom while international bankers play countries off against one another to see how low can you go.

Notice how we have less unions, BP and others own dept of interior, major part time uninsured workforce, wages have fallen while CEO's have increased 100 fold, etc etc.. since all this started 20-25 years ago? Gilded age part duex.

And it will just get worse. To 'compete' and pay off our debt we gotta become a dog eat dog slave world like China. You'll see. All they have to do is pull life line of credit from under us and people will be sending their 5 yr old to work. Corporations will continue to pwn our government to a greater degree, especially bankers.

Not really a place I want to live. I like huge middle class with Saturdays off for softball games, pick-nicks and living life.

 

[Jhhnn]

Righties apparently crave a repeat of the early 1930's, when credit collapse created cascading unemployment and a debt/deflation spiral.

The only people who are safe in that scenario are those with enormous assets and high liquidity, people like the true Bush Constituency.

The people currently unemployed got that way largely by the luck of the draw. It cuts across every economic sector and every income level barring those at the tippy-top. Thinking that you're somehow superior because you still have a job might be emotionally satisfying, but it's truly a fools' paradise. College grads with degrees in finance who went to work 5 years ago for Bear Stearns or Goldman Sachs obviously had entirely different outcomes, with personal performance not meaning a damned thing. It's the same everywhere else in the economy.

Anybody who thinks drawing unemployment is a bed of roses has shit fer brains, or still lives at home with mommy and daddy. Cut back? for sure. Dole out your savings to make ends meet? yep. pay off your bills? hardly- you're lucky to keep up. Health insurance? get real. Stretch that out over more than a few months, and it'll start grinding you down. Default on the mortgage? Likely. Bankruptcy? If you don't find a decent job, probably so.

WTF do you think that a whole lot of that going around will do for the rest of us? When it goes far enough, it threatens everybody's job.

The whole thing is just another way to beggar thy neighbor, something that generally works out poorly for everybody involved.

 

[Throckmorton]

So you take from businesses who then up prices and/or lay off staff to compensate. You keep taking and taking however then you wonder why unemployment is so high and prices increase on goods and services as the worthless nickle and dimes pay checks offered up by government to unemployed people ends up catching up to its own tail and consuming itself.

This is what Pelosi and the gang are doing to our economy and future.

You take from businesses in the FUTURE, when we will be better off than we are now during this RECESSION.

Borrowing from the future certainly seemed to make sense when Bush was doing it for his stimulus, so how does it not make sense now?

 

[dmcowen674]

LOL Unemployment a job creator? Why not double the benefits? Hell give unemployed one million dollars!! Just think how many jobs you would create then!!! Hell just give everyone a million dollars for good measure. Jobs jobs jobs!!!

Go Nancy go

Sure if it pisses Republicans off more the better. :thumbsup:

Hopefully at some point Republicans will GTFO of here.

I don't understand if they are so unhappy why they stick around, just to bitch and complain?

 

[Moonbeam]

You know you're a moron when you think third in line for the Presidency is an idiot. She has more talent and ability in her little finger than you assholes have in your huge asses.

 

[Attic]

It is simply amazing how the left twists reality.

There is no way paying people for being unproductive OR even more assinine; paying people to pay people to be unproductive in ANY way helps the economy. Productivity remains down, as do tax revenues and debt increases. Meanwhile, those who are productive are punished while those who are unproductive are rewarded.

Helping people be unproductive is NOT helping the economy.

But in the leftist world, left is right, black is white and up is down.

This is of pivotal importance for those who rely on logic and have IQ's > 100 when it comes time to consider the liberal argument on most issue's.

It's funny how when you do a 180 degree turn on logic you wind up with the liberal stance on how things work. Liberals will also vehemently and emotionaly argue their point while a conservative will relie on facts.

 

[Attic]

Take a deep breath, look past the fact that people who aren't working are getting paid (OMG TEH RAGE!!!) and think about where money comes from that goes into business' bottom lines and employees' paychecks. Producers are completely reliant on customers who are financially capable of transacting. Things that help the latter, help the former.

Where does the money come from that is going to those that aren't working?

 

[Attic]

You know you're a moron when you think third in line for the Presidency is an idiot. She has more talent and ability in her little finger than you assholes have in your huge asses.

I'm glad you don't use an emotional argument and personal attacks to back up your point. That's solid and really makes your point palatable.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know you're a moron when you think third in line for the Presidency is an idiot. She has more talent and ability in her little finger than you assholes have in your huge asses.

True. It's not like the rightwing noise machine dragged her out of obscurity from the great white north because she's a looker who'll spout whatever they give her, like the much adored Sarah! Sarah!

 

[JEDIYoda]

This is of pivotal importance for those who rely on logic and have IQ's > 100 when it comes time to consider the liberal argument on most issue's.

It's funny how when you do a 180 degree turn on logic you wind up with the liberal stance on how things work. Liberals will also vehemently and emotionaly argue their point while a conservative will relie on facts.

Okay lets take alook at a conservative who relied on fact-- are you ready??
Sarah Palin -- champion of conservative views ---
here goes -- Following in others' grand tradition of demonstrating gaps in knowledge while addressing a university, Sarah Palin told a crowd at a fundraiser at California State University in Stanislaus last weekend that Ronald Reagan, personal hero and inspiration, was a California college graduate. She told the cheering crowd: "This is Reagan country, and perhaps it was destiny that the man who went to California's Eureka College would become so woven within and interlinked to the Golden State."

There's just one problem here: Reagan went to Eureka College in Illinois from 1928 to 1932, the Alaska Dispatch reports. He didn't move to California until five years after his graduation. There's no Eureka College in California (though there's a town of Eureka that has a College of the Redwoods nearby).[From Obama to Bush: Worst political gaffes]

So crawl back under your rock, what you say about conservatives is total BS!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm glad you don't use an emotional argument and personal attacks to back up your point. That's solid and really makes your point palatable.

rofl.....i can show you what has been called The Greatest Personnal Attack in the History of P&N...lol.....
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2076767 -- all true I might badd!!!

Your such a tool Attic...rofl...good for a few laughs....

 

[shiner]

Go Nancy go

Sure if it pisses Republicans off more the better. :thumbsup:

Hopefully at some point Republicans will GTFO of here.

I don't understand if they are so unhappy why they stick around, just to bitch and complain?

Of course you support her, you can't hold a damn job and have no fucking idea what personal responsibility is.

Oh...and that one way ticket to your Somalian paradise is still waiting for you whenever you want it.

 

[bamacre]

Zebo, your logic is atrocious.

Let me explain something very basic to you about the economy: it has a lot to do with people doing things for one another.

So when you have a guy, 'John', who has his plumbing done, buys his groceries and meals, gets a car, sees a movie, all that pays for employment of a plumber, of people at the grocery, at the theatre and in the movie industry. Now, the less money people are spending for such things, the more of those people also are broke and not spending money, and this could make a spiraling economic problem.

Keeping 'the system' working - the grocers' doors open, the car dealer's doors open, the plumber's business open, by John buying their services, can have a lot of benefit.

You really have no understanding of basic economics.

 

[bamacre]

You know you're a moron when you think third in line for the Presidency is an idiot.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? That Cheney, who was second in line to be president is smarter than Pelosi? And because Bush was actually president, he's smarter than both?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Some people in here really need to learn how economics works.

The goons in Washington need to as well. We haven't really had someone who fully understood economics for years.

 

[pcgeek11]

irrational sputtering hate KKK whites have of 'blacks', is a very similar thing.

How about the irrational sputtering hate NAACP Blacks have of Whites.

You forgot that one.

 

[blackangst1]

Zebo, your logic is atrocious.

Let me explain something very basic to you about the economy: it has a lot to do with people doing things for one another.

So when you have a guy, 'John', who has his plumbing done, buys his groceries and meals, gets a car, sees a movie, all that pays for employment of a plumber, of people at the grocery, at the theatre and in the movie industry. Now, the less money people are spending for such things, the more of those people also are broke and not spending money, and this could make a spiraling economic problem.

Keeping 'the system' working - the grocers' doors open, the car dealer's doors open, the plumber's business open, by John buying their services, can have a lot of benefit.

Interesting you just described trickle down economics. Not sure if you meant to though.

 

[blackangst1]

Righties apparently crave a repeat of the early 1930's, when credit collapse created cascading unemployment and a debt/deflation spiral.

The only people who are safe in that scenario are those with enormous assets and high liquidity, people like the true Bush Constituency.

The people currently unemployed got that way largely by the luck of the draw. It cuts across every economic sector and every income level barring those at the tippy-top. Thinking that you're somehow superior because you still have a job might be emotionally satisfying, but it's truly a fools' paradise. College grads with degrees in finance who went to work 5 years ago for Bear Stearns or Goldman Sachs obviously had entirely different outcomes, with personal performance not meaning a damned thing. It's the same everywhere else in the economy.

Anybody who thinks drawing unemployment is a bed of roses has shit fer brains, or still lives at home with mommy and daddy. Cut back? for sure. Dole out your savings to make ends meet? yep. pay off your bills? hardly- you're lucky to keep up. Health insurance? get real. Stretch that out over more than a few months, and it'll start grinding you down. Default on the mortgage? Likely. Bankruptcy? If you don't find a decent job, probably so.

WTF do you think that a whole lot of that going around will do for the rest of us? When it goes far enough, it threatens everybody's job.

The whole thing is just another way to beggar thy neighbor, something that generally works out poorly for everybody involved.

You know, I generally agree with most of this post. With exception to the bolded. Have you seen the people Obama has appointed? Have you seen the Democratic coffers? He is FAR more a corporate whore than Bush EVER was.

 

[BoberFett]

I'm collecting unemployment right now.

And I'm laughing at all you stupid fuckers paying for it. I make more on unemployment than a lot of people make working their asses off for 40 hours a week.

I'm not going to get a job until I absolutely have to.

You bunch of stupid fools.

 

[Wheezer]

I have been on unemployment and in my case, like many others you make roughly half of what you made before which means you are very conservative with your spending, and if I am not spending money on things other than necessities like food, utilities, gas for the car and my mortgage how the fuck does that create jobs?

Of course there are those that even though they make much less continue to spend like drunken sailors so maybe those are the job creators.

 

[StageLeft]

I continue to see a lot of supporters of her statement blather on and yet none have produced any metrics whatsoever. Considering this is a very expensive proposition--extending further the unemployment benefits--surely it isn't too much to ask to see some actual data showing what the return on this money will be.

 

[Red Dawn]

Uhh, where are all these jobs the unemployed could be doing? I'm talking about millions of people who are out of work. Are there millions of jobs available for them?

 

[ebaycj]

And yet she's two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

Yeah, but at least one of those two heartbeats is under 70 years old.

 

[Genx87]

Especially given our consumer based economy, consumers with money create more jobs than consumers without money. Folks on the right love to ignore this little demand side nugget. Actually, they largely ignore the demand side of economics altogether.

Broken glass fallacy. This money isnt created out of thin air. There is lost opportunity cost associated with taking money from one person and giving to another.

Now in this case I dont have a problem with unemployment benefits. People paid into the system when employed and it is there for when they need it. However the idea it creates jobs or any more jobs than if that money were left in people who are still working pockets is absurd.

 

[shiner]

Uhh, where are all these jobs the unemployed could be doing? I'm talking about millions of people who are out of work. Are there millions of jobs available for them?

Kick all the illegals out and they can do those. Better than nothing and if the have the ability to work and simply don't want to them withdraw their unemployment benefits.

Or....

Bring back the WPA and the CCC and have people drawing unemployment work for those agencies.