Pat Robertson: Haiti earthquake is divine retribution for a pact with the devil

[DesiPower]

When did Americans make pact with devils? why did Obama Happen?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Do you think that Robertson speaks for God?

Only when his words agree with God.

 

[db]

Only when his words agree with God.

Determining what God says or wants, then, is of utmost importance.

But how to do that? What do we do when people in the Church hierarchy have differing interpretations of what God says or wants?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

But how to do that? What do we do when people in the Church hierarchy have differing interpretations of what God says or wants?

Pray for those Authority so that you may lead a quiet and peaceable life.

 

[Lemon law]

Robertson is a total looney tune and I hardly understand why his words have any predictive value. But give Pat an A+ for insensitive and an A++ for being a total idiot.

Its quite one thing to say, Lemon, if you touch a hot stove you will get burned and if you do not alter behavior there will be an undesirable consequence.

Yet here Robertson is saying, because some looney tune voodoo priest did something some 200 years ago, all the residents of Haiti, both the godly and the rascals must suffer the consequences of one person's misbehavior some 10 generations removed. Not only does it lack any redemptive message in saying, if you alter behavior, you may be spared, it also lacks any predictive value since ole Pat only came up with his unfounded theory after the earthquake.

Turns out that their is a link on Yahoo news saying scientists predicted a Haiti quake was near term likely using satellite imagery and strain measurements. And that was a full two years ago. They even hit the magnitude dead on by saying its would be up to a 7.2
magnitude quake. Hardly rocket science when you have known movement along a fault line that has nothing to do with rouge voodoo priests and slave rebellions.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

The question: Is Haiti cursed?

After some Google searching and study.

I would say that Haiti is cursed.

Pat is correct.

 

[TheSlamma]

Haiti gains independence in 1804.. Napoleon III born in 1808.. that works out.

 

[GroundedSailor]

That is exactly what I am saying.

Edit:

Think of this as a court room. I will bring my case with a voracity that will challenge my Liberal/Democrat/Heathen enemies to really dig deep and hold on, to prevail.

I note that most run away, give up, call me a troll, etc.

I did get a 4 day vacation, which I fully accept as that is what I agreed to when I joined. However, I am not sure why. I was told in broad terms. Hopefully, I will be allowed to continue to share my views without censure.

I will attempt to give it strong while maintaining decorum.

Just because you state your case with 'voracity' does not make it a fact.

Your basis for argument is your belief or faith in your God. Good for you, but belief or faith does not equal facts and nor does it stand the test of Logical reasoning.

Your argument is something like, "I believe this circle is square shaped". It does not matter what others think or can perceive, to you it looks like a square. And you will defend your point of view. Therefore it is futile to argue or discuss the topic with you or try to use logic.

It would help if you could remember: 1) Your belief is your personal belief. 2) Not everyone buys your belief. 3) No one likes others belief forced on them.

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[seemingly random]

...{disgusting drivel}...

No need for the pig when there is this freak to entertain.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Just because you state your case with 'voracity' does not make it a fact.

That’s true. Much of what I say will be will never be known by Liberals/Democrats/Heathens, until the future.

Your basis for argument is your belief or faith in your God. Good for you, but belief or faith does not equal facts and nor does it stand the test of Logical reasoning.

I give a good number of facts in my posts. I also give a good deal of faith. Faith is for those above who read my posts. Facts are for those below. Facts are subject to Faith and are changeable. Logic is not the ultimate authority in my world. Remember, in my world, it is possible to be raised from the dead and to walk on water.

Your argument is something like, "I believe this circle is square shaped". It does not matter what others think or can perceive, to you it looks like a square. And you will defend your point of view. Therefore it is futile to argue or discuss the topic with you or try to use logic.

It is futile to prevail with views that spring from the spirit of anti christ. That said, you and I are having a civil debate this very moment.

It would help if you could remember: 1) Your belief is your personal belief. 2) Not everyone buys your belief. 3) No one likes others belief forced on them.

Think of this as a court room. It’s going to take some real commitment to challenge my words.

 

[AreaCode707]

May I ask, with all respect, how old are you?

 

[db]

To shed a little light on the current flavor of "fundamentalist evangelical Christianity", everyone needs to know that a *few* people of influence are steering the agenda of the church; an agenda, it seems, that serves the purpose of men rather than God. But being done in God's name.

This brings money, power, adulation. And death. When religion throws in with government (and military) you've got trouble. Those who are "the other" (not one of "us") become a target. Add the element of fear and it's justifiable to remove civil rights and even preemptively kill.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

May I ask, with all respect, how old are you?

I was there when he created the pit for the devil and his demons.

When he calculated the Universe, he weighed the drop in the palm of his hand.

I shed a tear when my Brother agreed to be the sacrifice for Adam's sin.

When all of Heaven fell silent as my Father turned his back on my brother, I thought we were finished.

I have seen into the future as my Brother (as it is written - the sword in his mouth) says it so simply to Satan, go to Hell, and ends his reign.

I look out and note that his glory is from the West to the Rising of the Sun.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

wow, people actually take this seriously? then again, why am I surprised..

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

To shed a little light on the current flavor of "fundamentalist evangelical Christianity", everyone needs to know that a *few* people of influence are steering the agenda of the church; an agenda, it seems, that serves the purpose of men rather than God. But being done in God's name.

Are you talking about Obama’s church with Reverend Wright? If you are, I agree.

This brings money, power, adulation. And death. When religion throws in with government (and military) you've got trouble. Those who are "the other" (not one of "us") become a target. Add the element of fear and it's justifiable to remove civil rights and even preemptively kill.

That’s an apt description of the Liberal/Democrat/Heathen religion.

:ninja:

 

[AreaCode707]

I was there when he created the pit for the devil and his demons.

When he calculated the Universe, he weighed the drop in the palm of his hand.

I shed a tear when my Brother agreed to be the sacrifice for Adam's sin.

When all of Heaven fell silent as my Father turned his back on my brother, I thought we were finished.

I have seen into the future as my Brother (as it is written - the sword in his mouth) says it so simply to Satan, go to Hell, and ends his reign.

I look out and note that his glory is from the West to the Rising of the Sun.

Mark 3
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

 

[kage69]

To shed a little light on the current flavor of "fundamentalist evangelical Christianity", everyone needs to know that a *few* people of influence are steering the agenda of the church; an agenda, it seems, that serves the purpose of men rather than God. But being done in God's name.

This brings money, power, adulation. And death. When religion throws in with government (and military) you've got trouble. Those who are "the other" (not one of "us") become a target. Add the element of fear and it's justifiable to remove civil rights and even preemptively kill.

Excellent post. I wonder if the elements will weigh in on Robertson's idiocy again with Hurricane Bonnie v2.0.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Mark 3
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

Here is an excellent explanation about what it is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit:

"I believe, the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of Jesus Christ's offer of salvation, His free gift of eternal life, and thus, His forgiveness from sin. If you don't accept His gift, you cannot be forgiven. If you deny the Holy Spirit's entrance into your life, to work His sanctification in you, you cannot be cleansed from unrighteousness. Perhaps this is too simple an explanation, but it is the one that makes the most sense to me in light of the Scriptures.
Therefore, "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost" can be understood as a continued and persistently stubborn rejection of the gospel of salvation. This would be an "unpardonable sin" because as long as a person remains in unbelief, he voluntarily excludes himself from forgiveness of sin." Source About.com

Keep bringing it!

 

[AreaCode707]

Here is an excellent explanation about what it is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit:

"I believe, the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of Jesus Christ's offer of salvation, His free gift of eternal life, and thus, His forgiveness from sin. If you don't accept His gift, you cannot be forgiven. If you deny the Holy Spirit's entrance into your life, to work His sanctification in you, you cannot be cleansed from unrighteousness. Perhaps this is too simple an explanation, but it is the one that makes the most sense to me in light of the Scriptures.
Therefore, "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost" can be understood as a continued and persistently stubborn rejection of the gospel of salvation. This would be an "unpardonable sin" because as long as a person remains in unbelief, he voluntarily excludes himself from forgiveness of sin." Source About.com

Keep bringing it!

I use About.com for all my spiritual and theological needs!

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

I use About.com for all my spiritual and theological needs!

Wisdom (aka, common sense to the heathen and the immature) is where you find it.

Agree?

 

[AreaCode707]

Wisdom (aka, common sense to the heathen and the immature) is where you find it.

Agree?

Definitely not finding it here.

 

[jackschmittusa]

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Just for the record, all of your Bible mumbo-jumbo carries no weight for me and has no real value as fact or evidence. So, as far as I am concerned, its use does constitute any form of argument.

Your history of Pat the nut-job left out an awful lot. Where is the part about his supporting an oppressive ruler simply to enrich himself? How about keeping the women barefoot and pregnant? There are whole lists people have compiled of the stupid things he has said. Didn't you commit a sin of omission by only mentioning what you thought positives about him?

I also think you know little about Voodoo. How do you know that your god cursed them? Do you hear voices?

Since virtually no one with any standing in any religious circle is backing him up on this, and a large number are actually voicing condemnation, I'd say that you are a voice in the wilderness, way out of anything mainstream.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Definitely not finding it here.

I agree. This forum is not the place to gain Wisdom, it is the place to dispense Wisdom.

 

[AreaCode707]

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Just for the record, all of your Bible mumbo-jumbo carries no weight for me and has no real value as fact or evidence. So, as far as I am concerned, its use does constitute any form of argument.

Your history of Pat the nut-job left out an awful lot. Where is the part about his supporting an oppressive ruler simply to enrich himself? How about keeping the women barefoot and pregnant? There are whole lists people have compiled of the stupid things he has said. Didn't you commit a sin of omission by only mentioning what you thought positives about him?

I also think you know little about Voodoo. How do you know that your god cursed them? Do you hear voices?

Since virtually no one with any standing in any religious circle is backing him up on this, and a large number are actually voicing condemnation, I'd say that you are a voice in the wilderness, way out of anything mainstream.

I wonder how putting together a broadcasting network can be considered fulfilling God's purpose when there is no validation that what is broadcast on that network is truly what God wants to be spoken.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

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Just for the record, all of your Bible mumbo-jumbo carries no weight for me and has no real value as fact or evidence. So, as far as I am concerned, its use does constitute any form of argument.

Very well. Your statement is recorded. However, my Words are being recorded as well. These words will be used by the Judge to make a final determination. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that the goal here is to provide you with any kind of acceptable argument.

Your history of Pat the nut-job left out an awful lot. Where is the part about his supporting an oppressive ruler simply to enrich himself? How about keeping the women barefoot and pregnant? There are whole lists people have compiled of the stupid things he has said. Didn't you commit a sin of omission by only mentioning what you thought positives about him?

I’ve said before, Pat speaks for God when he lines up with what God says. I won’t issue a blanket condemnation of Pat because he is obviously on the side of God.

I also think you know little about Voodoo. How do you know that your god cursed them? Do you hear voices?

Voodoo is of the Devil.

Since virtually no one with any standing in any religious circle is backing him up on this, and a large number are actually voicing condemnation, I'd say that you are a voice in the wilderness, way out of anything mainstream.

Religious circles carry little weight. Pat is acceptable and appreciated in the Court of the Most High.