Pat Robertson: Haiti earthquake is divine retribution for a pact with the devil

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Arkaign

Lifer
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Is Robertson onto something here?

After reviewing Wikipedia and researching the links, I find that Haiti has a significant voodoo influence. Please study it for yourself.

What Pat is saying won’t make any sense to the Heathen or the immature Christian.

For the mature Christian, Pat’s words make Faith.

Pat’s point is well taken that a Nation based on voodoo will suffer. A Nation based on Christ has to come to the rescue.

America is good.

Haiti is evil.

You're insane if you think God chose to kill tens of thousands of people in Haiti due to 'Voodoo', just as insane as Pat Robertson is. There have been countless disasters over the past century, and they've struck basically every level of society, they've struck capitalists, communists, they've struck jews, muslims, hindus, buddhists and christians, they've struck the young and the old, so on and so forth.

Looking at something like this and trying to distill it as if you know what God is thinking is beyond contempt. Worry about your own life, your own decisions, and your own covenant with God, if you have one. As is written :

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
 

MotF Bane

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Don't mind Avvocato. It seems to me as though he's actually a leftist, who's playing a rightie... either that, or he's about as crazy as McOwned, and there's only so many crazy people in the world.
 

Nemesis 1

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Pat is an honorable man and a true soldier in cause of Christ.

You are correct that God and God alone is the final judge. You should also acknowledge that, at that final judgement that you cite, Jesus, Pat and me will be sitting on God’s right. That’s correct, I’ll be there.

The judgement that is God’s and God’s alone is the decision to grant entrance to heaven. You seem to know a lot about the Code. Please share with us the one act in a mans life that will provide prima facie evidence that entrance into Heaven is the correct judgement?

As far as judging other issues. It is up to the Christian to judge all things on this Earth.

After examining the facts, my judgement concerning Haiti is that it was founded on the spirit of the Anti Christ. Therefore, that Nation will not receive my monetary support.

The individual people will receive my support.

Pat is why so many have been lost to the true faith , He is a bigot . and passes judgement thats not Christ like.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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You're insane if you think God chose to kill tens of thousands of people in Haiti due to 'Voodoo', just as insane as Pat Robertson is. There have been countless disasters over the past century, and they've struck basically every level of society, they've struck capitalists, communists, they've struck jews, muslims, hindus, buddhists and christians, they've struck the young and the old, so on and so forth.


It is Written: “Glory to God in the heavenly heights, 
Peace to all men and women on earth who please him.”

No one has said God is responsible for this. Robertson did not and I do not. The Haitian Nation has been outside God’s ring of protection. That is, as we see, a very dangerous place.

Look at the recent history of Haiti. Can anyone deny that this Nation has been cursed?


Looking at something like this and trying to distill it as if you know what God is thinking is beyond contempt. Worry about your own life, your own decisions, and your own covenant with God, if you have one.

Do I know what God is thinking?

I’ll go well beyond that, I have the same mind.

It is Written: "Who can know the LORD's thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?" But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

As is written :

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Amen.

Christ has removed that plank in my eye. My heart has been purified by the Blood. I now am free to see clearly the speck in my brothers eye.


Pat is why so many have been lost to the true faith , He is a bigot . and passes judgement thats not Christ like.


Pat is a hero and his reward his great in Heaven.
 

hal2kilo

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Pat is an honorable man and a true soldier in cause of Christ.

You are correct that God and God alone is the final judge. You should also acknowledge that, at that final judgement that you cite, Jesus, Pat and me will be sitting on God’s right. That’s correct, I’ll be there.

The judgement that is God’s and God’s alone is the decision to grant entrance to heaven. You seem to know a lot about the Code. Please share with us the one act in a mans life that will provide prima facie evidence that entrance into Heaven is the correct judgement?

As far as judging other issues. It is up to the Christian to judge all things on this Earth.

After examining the facts, my judgement concerning Haiti is that it was founded on the spirit of the Anti Christ. Therefore, that Nation will not receive my monetary support.

The individual people will receive my support.

Damn, apparently it wasn't perma/
 

Descartes

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Holy mother of god there are some crazy people on this forum. I just refuse to believe that people like this really exist.
 

AreaCode707

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Pat is an honorable man and a true soldier in cause of Christ.

That depends; how do you define the cause of Christ?

I would argue that the cause of Christ is defined thusly:
Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
You can see by the reaction on these boards and elsewhere that many or most non-Christians are repulsed from Christ by the way that Pat Robertson portrays him. Therefore he is not doing a very good job making disciples of all nations.

He does not have the reputation of Billy Graham for opening the eyes of non-believers and converting them; Pat Robertson only speaks to people who already consider themselves believers. So, as a true soldier in the cause of Christ, he is not accomplishing his goals.


You are correct that God and God alone is the final judge. You should also acknowledge that, at that final judgement that you cite, Jesus, Pat and me will be sitting on God’s right. That’s correct, I’ll be there.
You could not possibly have picked a better way to show yourself a troll rather than a Christian here.

Matthew 20:20-27
Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. "What is it you want?" he asked.
She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."
"You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said to them. "Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?"
"We can," they answered.
Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father."
When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
This argument about who will be at Christ's right and left hand has already been argued - and those arguing it were smacked down for the presumptuousness. Are you greater than the apostles, that you can speak for God about where he will seat you?

Jesus asks if they will drink from his cup. That is, will they die for the gospel? Nearly all did die in martyrdom. Will you drink from that cup? (To those listening, I'm not talking jihad-style martyrdom here; the apostles were peaceful in their deaths, several killed by the Romans.)

And Jesus continues that anyone who wants to be great must be a servant, a slave. Your attitude on these forums is hardly one of a servant to these people here. So you are not falling in line with that either.

The judgement that is God’s and God’s alone is the decision to grant entrance to heaven. You seem to know a lot about the Code. Please share with us the one act in a mans life that will provide prima facie evidence that entrance into Heaven is the correct judgement?

As far as judging other issues. It is up to the Christian to judge all things on this Earth.
Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Your glee in condemning those on these forums is a scary thing. Is that the glee that you want God to use in judging you?
After examining the facts, my judgement concerning Haiti is that it was founded on the spirit of the Anti Christ. Therefore, that Nation will not receive my monetary support.

The individual people will receive my support.
Mark 10:18-22:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'" "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Nobody is dumping money into the government of Haiti into this tragedy, and nobody is called to do so. I'm not arguing with you there. However, but clearly we are called as Christians to do more than the world would ever find practical. How are you doing on this front?
 
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ayabe

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Just ignore him, he'll be banned again before the end of the day - I made a pact with the devil for this happen just waiting on my confirmation email.
 
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blah, blah, blah.. patty cakes robertson is a blistering puss filled sack on the anus of life. I wouldn't piss on him to put him out if he were on fire.
 

Modelworks

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It's a logical fallacy, he's as much of a Christian as anyone else who proclaims to be one, there are no rules for this shit, you are a Christian if you believe Jesus is your saviour, PERIOD.


You should fucking know this already, that a Jewish atheist has to explain your own fucking faith to you must suck but it sure is funny. :D

There are rules and rule book, it is called the bible.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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That depends; how do you define the cause of Christ?

It is Written:

"I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest."

Remember where you are. You are inside a thread where a brother has been attacked. You are not serving the poor in a soup line. Keep this in context.
I would argue that the cause of Christ is defined thusly:
Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Amen.

You can see by the reaction on these boards and elsewhere that many or most non-Christians are repulsed from Christ by the way that Pat Robertson portrays him. Therefore he is not doing a very good job making disciples of all nations.

He does not have the reputation of Billy Graham for opening the eyes of non-believers and converting them; Pat Robertson only speaks to people who already consider themselves believers. So, as a true soldier in the cause of Christ, he is not accomplishing his goals.

Really, consider these facts:


In 1956 Robertson found his faith through Dutch missionary Cornelius Vanderbreggen, who impressed Robertson both by his lifestyle and his message. Vanderbreggen quoted Proverbs (3:5, 6), "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths", which Robertson considers to be the "guiding principle" of his life. He was ordained as a minister of the Southern Baptist Convention in 1961.
In 1960, Robertson established the Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, Virginia. He started it by buying a small UHF station in nearby Portsmouth. Later in 1977 he purchased a local-access cable channel in the Hampton Roads area and called it CBN. Originally he went door-to-door in Virginia Beach, Hampton Roads, and other surrounding areas asking Christians to buy cable boxes so that they could receive his new channel. He also canvassed local churches in the Virginia Beach area to do the same, and solicited donations through public speaking engagements at local churches and on CBN. One of his friends, the pastor of Rock Church Virginia Beach- John Giminez was influential in helping Robertson establish CBN with donations, as well as offering the services of volunteers from his church.
CBN is now seen in 180 countries and broadcast in 71 languages. He founded the CBN Cable Network, which was renamed the CBN Family Channel in 1988 and later simply the Family Channel. When the Family Channel became too profitable for Robertson to keep it under the CBN umbrella without endangering CBN's nonprofit status, he formed International Family Entertainment Inc. in 1990 with the Family Channel as its main subsidiary. Robertson sold the Family Channel to the News Corporation in 1997, which renamed it Fox Family. A condition of the sale was that the station would continue airing Robertson's television program, The 700 Club, twice a day in perpetuity, regardless of any changes of ownership. The channel is now owned by Disney and run as "ABC Family". On December 3, 2007, Robertson resigned as chief executive of CBN; he was succeeded by his son, Gordon.[5]
Robertson founded CBN University in 1977 on CBN's Virginia Beach campus. It was renamed Regent University in 1989. Robertson serves as its chancellor. He is also founder and president of the American Center for Law and Justice, a public interest law firm that defends Christians whose First Amendment rights have allegedly been violated. The law firm, headquartered in the same building that houses Regent's law school, focuses on "pro-family, pro-liberty and pro-life" cases nationwide.
Robertson is also an advocate of Christian dominionism - the idea that Christians have a right to rule.[6]
In 1994, he was a signer of the document Evangelicals and Catholics Together.
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This is hardly the resume of a man, as you say, “not accomplishing his goals.” His productivity for the cause is stellar!



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You are correct that God and God alone is the final judge. You should also acknowledge that, at that final judgement that you cite, Jesus, Pat and me will be sitting on God’s right. That’s correct, I’ll be there.You could not possibly have picked a better way to show yourself a troll rather than a Christian here.

It is Written:

Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid.
Remember where we are. Inside a thread that is hostile and full of Heathens and Pharisees.
Matthew 20:20-27
Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. "What is it you want?" he asked.
She said, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom."
"You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said to them. "Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?"
"We can," they answered.
Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father."
When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. Jesus called them together and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

Amen.

This argument about who will be at Christ's right and left hand has already been argued - and those arguing it were smacked down for the presumptuousness. Are you greater than the apostles, that you can speak for God about where he will seat you?

Jesus asks if they will drink from his cup. That is, will they die for the gospel? Nearly all did die in martyrdom. Will you drink from that cup?

And Jesus continues that anyone who wants to be great must be a servant, a slave. Your attitude on these forums is hardly one of a servant to these people here. So you are not falling in line with that either.

It is Written:

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.”
Remember who Brother was speaking to in the mother of Zebedee's sons came to him. He had not yet been given all authority over Heaven and Earth. Therefore, it was not yet his to give. After God raised him, all authority both in heaven and Earth was given to him. God retired.
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The judgement that is God’s and God’s alone is the decision to grant entrance to heaven. You seem to know a lot about the Code. Please share with us the one act in a mans life that will provide prima facie evidence that entrance into Heaven is the correct judgement?

As far as judging other issues. It is up to the Christian to judge all things on this Earth.Matthew 7:1-2
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Your glee in condemning those on these forums is a scary thing. Is that the glee that you want God to use in judging you?


It is Written:

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
Keep in mind the context. I am using the word in right standing with God to put down devilish concepts and opinions brought forth in a forum specifically designed for that purpose.

I am not standing on a street corner like a “boob” and accosting innocent people as they pass by.




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After examining the facts, my judgement concerning Haiti is that it was founded on the spirit of the Anti Christ. Therefore, that Nation will not receive my monetary support.

The individual people will receive my support.Mark 10:18-22:
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'" "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Nobody is dumping money into the government of Haiti into this tragedy, and nobody is called to do so. I'm not arguing with you there. However, but clearly we are called as Christians to do more than the world would ever find practical. How are you doing on this front?

It was announced today that I am sending 100 million dollars to this effort. What are you sending?

I hope you’ve learned something here sister. Follow me as I follow Christ.

():)
 

fskimospy

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Guys, Avvocato is just obviously trolling. Wait a little while and he'll be vacationed or banned again.
 

db

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Avvocato Effetti, your beliefs are yours. Just b/c you believe they are true does not make them true for anyone else. You are saying, in effect: this is the way it is--prove me wrong.
 

Avvocato Effetti

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You are saying, in effect: this is the way it is--prove me wrong.

That is exactly what I am saying.

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Think of this as a court room. I will bring my case with a voracity that will challenge my Liberal/Democrat/Heathen enemies to really dig deep and hold on, to prevail.

I note that most run away, give up, call me a troll, etc.

I did get a 4 day vacation, which I fully accept as that is what I agreed to when I joined. However, I am not sure why. I was told in broad terms. Hopefully, I will be allowed to continue to share my views without censure.

I will attempt to give it strong while maintaining decorum.
 
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