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Palestinians say Netanyahu speech obstacle to peace

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Two Egyptian Air Force Spitfires bombed Tel Aviv
A few planes slipping through does not make an invasion, particularly when the were launched in response to Israeli invasions of Palestinian territory. Hence the reason why Israel was never rightly in any position for the UN to step in as protection, despite CC's insinuation to the contrary.

Which is on the Palestinian side of the Palestinian Partition Plan.
No, Tel Aviv is on the Israeli side of the Partition Plan. However, Jaffa, right next to Tel Aviv is on the Palestinian side of the UN Partition Plan, and it was actually invaded by Israel along with many other localities on the Palestinian side of the partition, which is what prompted the Arab states to declare war on Israel.
 
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A few planes slipping through does not make an invasion, particularly when the were launched in response to Israeli invasions of Palestinian territory. Hence the reason why Israel was never rightly in any position for the UN to step in as protection, despite CC's insinuation to the contrary.


No, Tel Aviv is on the Israeli side of the Partition Plan. However, Jaffa, right next to Tel Aviv is on the Palestinian side of the UN Partition Plan, and it was actually invaded by Israel along with many other localities on the Palestinian side of the partition, which is what prompted the Arab states to declare war on Israel.

I fail to see the words "invasion" in your statement.

Again, all the wars were fought outside those borders, which is why you can't cite any source to the contrary and are left to misrepresent me as denying Israel's right to exist instead.
 
Kyle is trying to play syntax.

The Arabs attacked Israel; he is trying to waffle around it.
 
After all kind of bouts of Revisionist histories, maybe it time to get back to the present and future.

Abbas said today to make it official, that the Netanyuhu speech at the US congress left no common ground for negotiations, and therefore Abbas will place all hope in a Palestinian State being declared in the UN. And the Arab League has agreed.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ption-is-un-recognition-of-statehood-1.364613

With 192 UN member countries, and given the fact that the Palestinians have over 50% lined up already, the question is how high of a number of votes will it take before the US thinks hard before a veto.

But its also possible, that quite a few nations will tell the USA exactly how costly a veto would be to the USA. Its also possible that the UN or other nations may exert sufficient Israel pressure on Israel to get to a settlement freeze.

Otherwise there will be no Israeli Palestinian negotiations in the foreseeable future.
 
I fail to see the words "invasion" in your statement.
I said "invaded", back where this line of discussion started:

Kind of like how the UN stepped in to protect Israel all the times from the Arab countries.
No Arab army has ever invaded Israeli territory, all the wars were fought on Arab land, and most of them were imitated [I meant "initiated"] by Israel. If you believe there is any examples to the contrary, please quote your sources.
Point being, when exactly does CC suggest the UN should have stepped in to protect Israel? Are you seriously trying to argue that time when a few Egyptian planes managed to breach their airspace in response to Israelis invasion of the Palestinian side of the UN partition warranted UN intervention to protect Israel?

The Arabs attacked Israel; he is trying to waffle around it.
No, I've no problem acknowledging the fact that Arabs have attacked Israel, I just take issue with your insistent waffling around the fact that Israel has attacked Arabs too.
 
With 192 UN member countries, and given the fact that the Palestinians have over 50% lined up already, the question is how high of a number of votes will it take before the US thinks hard before a veto.
Nobody has veto power over the General Assembly, the US or otherwise.
 
Nobody has veto power over the General Assembly, the US or otherwise.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/05/27/general-assembly-president-us-could-veto-palestinian-statehood/

General Assembly President: US Could Veto Palestinian Statehood

Efforts by the Palestinian Authority to establish a Palestinian state will be entirely impossible, according to UN General Assembly President Joseph Deiss, who insists that the general assembly cannot recognize a nation if any member of the UN Security Council vetos it.

This makes such efforts a waste of time, as the United States holds a permanent veto power at the UNSC and would surely use it to block a Palestinian state. President Obama today condemned the notion of Palestinian statehood as entirely “unrealistic,” saying it could only become one if Israel agrees.

Which given the current state of affairs in Israel is likely impossible. Though some members of the current right-far-right government have suggested tepid support for a Palestinian state (with no military or borders), a number of officials also reject the notion on general principle.

Indeed, a number of Israeli and US attorneys are also arguing that a Palestinian state is illegal under any conditions. They are claiming that the League of Nations deal in 1922 gave Israel legal control over massive amounts of territory, including all of the lands conquered in 1967. They also claim the 1949 Armistice did not preclude Israel conquering additional territory and that the “1967 borders do not exist and have never existed.”

The United Nations imprimatur is assumed by many nations to be needed for statehood, but the ability of nations to marshal a veto against new states has left a growing number of de facto nation-states operating outside of this mechanism, and with no hope of securing UN membership. In addition to blocking Palestine, the United States has also vowed to block the UN recognition of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which seceded from Georgia in the wake of the brief Russo-Georgian War. Russia, for its part, is also blocking the recognition of Kosovo.
 
Rose colored glasses are become a deeper shade
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For once CC I will agree with you, but the darker Rose colored glasses contain giant risks for for the Pals, the USA, and the Israelis at the same time.

But in what I see is as very long conflict, analogous to a long chess, game, its changed the future direction of the fame. As some options close and and an infinite other set of options open.

The down side for Israel is that may totally lose any ability to control or be consulted in any final settlement.
 
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/05/27/general-assembly-president-us-could-veto-palestinian-statehood/
This makes such efforts a waste of time, as the United States holds a permanent veto power at the UNSC and would surely use it to block a Palestinian state. President Obama today condemned the notion of Palestinian statehood as entirely “unrealistic,” saying it could only become one if Israel agrees.
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Lolz....
How symbolic it would be :
A black president endorsing the continuation of an apartheid system
and blocking the palestinians aspirations to freedom....😀
 
Simply nazi half brain has talked..😀

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Let us take a look about how the Israeli Palestinian game has changed very recently.

1. Its always been the world somewhat 30 year old hope that the Oslo process of land for peace would lead to a just settlement. And in investing in that hope, the conventional wisdom became the desired settlement hope would be based on some joint Israeli Palestinian agreement.

2. At the same time its always been the Netanyuhu stated desire to totally kill off the Oslo process.

3. In the Netanyuhu speech to the US Congress, Netanyuhu succeeded in killing the Oslo process dead as a doornail.

4. The person most effected is Obama, who would prefer a negotiated settlement, but as soon as Netanyuhu killed off the Oslo process, he also killed the Obama conventional wisdom hope for a mutually negotiated Oslo type process.


Therefore in my mind, its changed the total game, as Israel and the Pals are now locked into a future world beauty contest. Israel ain't winning, as they are already on world probation for their rapes of Lebanon and Gaza. Not to mention their new problems with Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey.

Beyond that I have few predictions, but Palestinian State ratification votes are now widely expected to exceed 160 in the general assembly come September. Isolating mainly the USA if they dare to veto.

After that, unless Israel gets more reasonable, Israel will look progressively uglier as time goes on.
 
LOLZ...

Were you looking for a brain upgrade....??..😀

Generaly, zio meds addicts are not very subtile, although
compared to you , Jediyoda , who is in no way an intellectual,
still produce a Pulitzer sized litterature...

And you're implying that I'm stupid? Your self-ownage is delicious. 😀
 
Once the Palestinians realize that they can not do an end around for statehood via the UN; they will hopefully be willing to try for peace at the table.
 
And you're implying that I'm stupid? Your self-ownage is delicious. 😀

You will easily concede that you have very few if not any
argument when discussing a point, wich is pathological
of someone that has absolutely no self criticism sense ,
and as such is just unable to detect his own contradictions..

Remember before posting that one who is advocating for
a side s rights while denying the same rights for the
counterpart is just spreading racist/fascist views, often
without even noticing it...

Here a good exemple :

Once the Palestinians realize that they can not do an end around for statehood via the UN; they will hopefully be willing to try for peace at the table.

This brave and clueless CC just forgot that israel was recognized
through the UNO , not negociations , yet , he deny the said
legislation as soon as palestinians could benefit from it...
 
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You will easily concede that you have very few if not any
argument when discussing a point, wich is pathological
of someone that has absolutely no self criticism sense ,
and as such is just unable to detect his own contradictions..

Remember before posting that one who is advocating for
a side s rights while denying the same rights for the
counterpart is just spreading racist/fascist views, often
without even noticing it...

Here a good exemple :



This brave and clueless CC just forgot that israel was recognized
through the UNO , not negociations , yet , he deny the said
legislation as soon as palestinians could benefit from it...

A suggestion: http://www.amazon.com/English-Grammar-Dummies-Geraldine-Woods/dp/0470546646

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Please purchase this and return when you are able to express coherent thoughts.

And as for calling me a Nazi, most folks know that Palestinians are the real Nazi sympathizers.
 
Please purchase this and return when you are able to express coherent thoughts.

And as for calling me a Nazi, most folks know that Palestinians are the real Nazi sympathizers.

My english , although not correct, is still too sophisticated for you...😀

Of course that you are a nazi, more precisely, a white racist supremacist,
and every words you re typing just cry it louder than the preceding one...
 
My english , although not correct, is still too sophisticated for you...😀

Of course that you are a nazi, more precisely, a white racist supremacist,
and every words you re typing just cry it louder than the preceding one...

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti and Palestinian nationalist, was a Nazi collaborator.

Here he is meeting with Hitler:
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and Himmler:
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more of his Nazi friends:
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Muslim Waffen SS:
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How about some present-day Palestinians?

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Feel free to deflect, it should be quite entertaining.
 
It s you that is deflecting, poor fool blinded by his own racism.
Palestinians have zero responsibility in the germans actions...
All you are doing is spreading false amalgams...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/us/12holocaust.html?_r=2

In chilling detail, the report also elaborates on the close working relationship between Nazi leaders and the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who later claimed that he sought refuge in wartime Germany only to avoid arrest by the British.

In fact, the report says, the Muslim leader was paid “an absolute fortune” of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year). It also said he energetically recruited Muslims for the SS, the Nazi Party’s elite military command, and was promised that he would be installed as the leader of Palestine after German troops drove out the British and exterminated more than 350,000 Jews there.

On Nov. 28, 1941, the authors say, Hitler told Mr. Husseini that the Afrika Corps and German troops deployed from the Caucasus region would liberate Arabs in the Middle East and that “Germany’s only objective there would be the destruction of the Jews.”

The report details how Mr. Husseini himself was allowed to flee after the war to Syria — he was in the custody of the French, who did not want to alienate Middle East regimes — and how high-ranking Nazis escaped from Germany to become advisers to anti-Israeli Arab leaders and “were able to carry on and transmit to others Nazi racial-ideological anti-Semitism.”

“You have an actual contract between officials of the Nazi Foreign Ministry with Arab leaders, including Husseini, extending after the war because they saw a cause they believed in,” Dr. Breitman said. “And after the war, you have real Nazi war criminals — Wilhelm Beisner, Franz Rademacher and Alois Brunner — who were quite influential in Arab countries.”
 
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