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P&N Religion Poll

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What are you?

  • Agnostic

  • Atheist

  • Buddhist

  • Christian (Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic)

  • Christian (Protestant / Non-denominational)

  • Hindu

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I find it interesting that atheism can be subdivided into various categories.

I simply find religion to be a waste of time, effort, and resources. I feel that the belief in a supreme being is pretty ridiculous given the complete lack of evidence. I find the "I'm right, you're wrong" conflict between the varieties of religions to be laughable since none can prove anything. And when the conflicts rise to the level of harming those with different beliefs, I believe you characterize your made up god as an asshole if you claim he says it is OK.

I don't claim to know anything (I just think others don't either) and can't imagine someday thinking that religion is any more real than unicorns and Leprechauns.
 
cybrsage said:
What if I am a fusion of two? Messianic Judaism. I picked Jewish, since the original form of Christianity was a sect of Judaism.
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If you have to ask it's clear why you don't know that what you actually are is Christian. Good choice when you're not smart enough to be Jewish.
 
I was raised Catholic, and I resisted it every single Sunday. Finally, once I was getting near adulthood, my Catholic tyrant of a mother said that if I went through Confirmation, she would quit pressuring/forcing me to go to church. I went through Confirmation, and I've been to church probably a grand total of 2 times since then (and it was many many years ago). Maybe it was her last ditch effort to save my soul, or maybe she thought it would somehow awaken my love for church.

Currently I would classify myself as an agnostic. I don't really have a problem with belief in a higher being/consciousness/whatever, but I do have a problem with most organized faiths/denominations. Also I am of the opinion that most Christians are very unsuccessful in their efforts to emulate Christ and his teachings (whether they are real or myth). Many of them are excessively opinionated, judgmental, and oblivious to their own faults.

On the other hand, there are a few that I have known that are probably the kindest and most charitable people I've ever met, and a lot of their belief in kindness seems to stem from their faith. They are definitely in the minority, however, and if there is a heaven, they are probably the only ones that are going to make it in.

On the subject of existence, I love this:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-is-Th...-Inquiry-Into-the-Existence-of-God&id=2358511

It's lengthy, but still worth a read IMO.
 
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shira said:
If you have to ask it's clear why you don't know that what you actually are is Christian. But any choice is good when you're not much smarter than me.
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I fixed it for you to represent reality.

I am a Christian AND a Jew. You can be both.
 
Abwx said:
That could be possible , who knows , but you could also be neither of both and be branded heretic by both sides....
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Actually, that is closer to the truth than most people realize. Jews get upset because Jesus is linked to all the horrible things Christians have done to Jews over the last two thousand years. Christians get upset because we still follow The Law when they claim Jesus destroyed it (even though He actually said He did not).

It is a strange world in which we live when Christians are unhappy that I am doing what Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, and Timothy all did...oh, and Jesus Himself did.
 
cybrsage said:
Actually, that is closer to the truth than most people realize. Jews get upset because Jesus is linked to all the horrible things Christians have done to Jews over the last two thousand years. Christians get upset because we still follow The Law when they claim Jesus destroyed it (even though He actually said He did not).

It is a strange world in which we live when Christians are unhappy that I am doing what Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, and Timothy all did...oh, and Jesus Himself did.
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I have no stances in respect of the religion s legitimacy as
religion is a purely private affair but it happens that those
in control of religions did grant themselves the right to decide
who/what is "halal" (muslim term to name what is within the law)
and who/what is "haram" (what is against the law) , wich is somewhat
the application in religious matter of the law of the powerfull.

As such , an isolated individual is negated the right to be part
of a religion if he doesnt embrace the whole of the said religion tenets.

Embracing judaism and christianism will forcibly put the follower
of such a dual pratice at odd with both of the religious currents;
moreover given the historical grievances between the two cosmogony
despite their common origin.
 
cybrsage said:
My religion dictates my morality. It matters. 🙂
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Here in lies the problem.

IF your god comes to your spiritual leader in a vision and he declares it on to the people morality is broken by the whim of a man.

IF GOD wants me to do something GOD will tell me . I don't need a liar to tell me . FACT!!
 
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shira said:
If you have to ask it's clear why you don't know that what you actually are is Christian. Good choice when you're not smart enough to be Jewish.
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I changed you witty post so other's won't realize what a nincompoop I am for even trying to keep up with you.

I am a Christian AND a Jew. You can be both.
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Well, I changed MY wording back to its original version, and I improved YOURS to reflect the underlying truth you so desperately tried conceal.

But your second sentence is so laughable that it should be preserved. Why don't you explain to us why Maimonides' 12th principle of faith refers to the COMING (not the SECOND COMING or the RETURN) of the Messiah?

I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah; and even though he may tarry, nonetheless, I wait every day for his coming.
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And why don't you also explain to us why the State of Israel classifies "Messianic Jews" as Christians and rejects them for citizenship?

You're really quite confused.
 
Total atheists and agnostics in the US = ~10%, depending on which poll you look at. Total atheists and agnostics on ATP&N=57%.

We have lots of atheist and agnostic liberals, conservatives and libertarians here.

Anyone have a theory to explain this?
 
woolfe9999 said:
Total atheists and agnostics in the US = ~10%, depending on which poll you look at. Total atheists and agnostics on ATP&N=57%.

We have lots of atheist and agnostic liberals, conservatives and libertarians here.

Anyone have a theory to explain this?
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The most recent ARIS report was actually 15% and other are between 14% and 18%. Still a big discrepancy with our demographics, just wanted to get the newest numbers in there.

I don't even notice, because in my circles religion is the extreme minority...like in the 15-30% range. To me ATOT seems like a normal distribution and all the polls and studies seem insane.
 
Cerpin Taxt

Religion is an activity that can be categorized by the various aspects of the activities.

Atheism is not an activity. There are no actions to categorize.
 
Nemesis 1 said:
Here in lies the problem.

IF your god comes to your spiritual leader in a vision and he declares it on to the people morality is broken by the whim of a man.

IF GOD wants me to do something GOD will tell me . I don't need a liar to tell me . FACT!!
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Nemy, I almost never agree with you, but I have to acknowledge that you always mean well and it's clear you have a good heart. For that reason alone, I wish you all the best with your beliefs.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Total atheists and agnostics in the US = ~10%, depending on which poll you look at. Total atheists and agnostics on ATP&N=57%.

We have lots of atheist and agnostic liberals, conservatives and libertarians here.

Anyone have a theory to explain this?
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Atheism is concentrated in young, educated people with jobs and degrees in technical fields and the sciences. While I don't think this explains all of the discrepancy, it probably explains a lot of it.
 
eskimospy said:
Atheism is concentrated in young, educated people with jobs and degrees in technical fields and the sciences. While I don't think this explains all of the discrepancy, it probably explains a lot of it.
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..another part of it is that Religious people, even those who evangelize, tend to avoid situations where their Beliefs are regularly challenged. There are always the few who feel brave enough to attempt to expose themselves to such situations and, not so ironically, are the ones most likely to abandon their religious belief.
 
Atheist, or like most atheists, agnostic atheist in that i do not claim knowledge, only that i do not believe in a god.

I sincerely doubt there are any gnostic atheists here so you can count all atheists as agnostics and most agnostics as atheists.
 
cybrsage said:
I fixed it for you to represent reality.

I am a Christian AND a Jew. You can be both.
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HAH, i'm Atheist, English AND a Jew!

Reason being that i am of sound mind and the hatred of religious people is nothing i ever want to be a part of, ALL religions are exclusive cults and they are ALL evil.

They may pretend not to be, Hamas are clothing the poor in Palestine, Al Quaida wants freedom for Muslims as their stated goal and Catholics ... well they rape young boys and feed the homeless?

They are all a means of division of people, all a means for priests and Muftas to gain power they don't deserve to have and cannot handle either, all used for pure evil and as a means to escape their own evildoings by saying it's gods will.

In the words of the one true god on earth, Lemmy Kilmister, "you bet your life you don't need religion".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awpyaz58ytg

And if you wonder if Lemmy is on your side... he says NO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7M0kt2DpeU&feature=related
 
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