P&N Religion Poll

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What are you?

  • Agnostic

  • Atheist

  • Buddhist

  • Christian (Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic)

  • Christian (Protestant / Non-denominational)

  • Hindu

  • Jewish

  • Muslim

  • Spiritual but not religious

  • Other


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Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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That is quite different from your previous "non-religious" definition.

His point is a sound one, however. Atheists are simply not theists. This includes people that declare "I do not believe in gods" and also people that declare "no gods exist."

I realize that those are similar declarations, but they are certainly not equivalent.

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gingermeggs

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Dec 22, 2008
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Yeah, there is an ongoing debate about it...and the modern view is based on the actions of the Christian Church from the days of Constantine onward. Pretty wicked stuff was done to Jews by Christians who conveniently forgot that Jesus was a Jew.

The original Christianity was a bunch of Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah. Even Paul continued to call himself a Pharisee throughout his entire life, going so far as to still sacrifice at the temple. He simply felt that the Goyim (non-Jews) did not have to follow the Law to also follow the Jewish Messiah.

In the early days, talking about Jesus in the synagogue was acceptable. It was the large number of non-Jews who were coming to the synagogue to hear about Jesus that bothered the Jews...and that was because of the odd belief that you can "catch" uncleanliness from a non-Jew (which has no Biblical basis that I can find).

The issue is that Christianity should not be a seperate religion at all...it was never intended to be, it was intended to be a form of Judaism...one which all Jews would eventually join.


As an aside, if a person's grandmother on their father's side is Jewish, their father is also Jewish...but they do not gain the religion at birth (the religion is passed from the mother). HOWEVER, the tribal affiliation is passed from the father (or the mother if the father is not Jewish), therefor the son/daughter gains the moniker of "Jew" for ethnic purposes. The Israeli supreme court has ruled that this person (someone who has a Jewish grandmother) is a Jew for immigration and citizenship purposes.

The REAL interesting part is that a person granted Jew status this way was not Jewish at birth (by religion), so if this person is a Christian or a Messianic Jew, the person never converted away from Judaism. The court ruled these people cannot be denied immigration and citizenship. :)

I know this because that is the category into which I fall.

Show me first hand factual proof any on this you claim is true!
Real? you get real.
 

Ausm

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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His point is a sound one, however. Atheists are simply not theists. This includes people that declare "I do not believe in gods" and also people that declare "no gods exist."

I realize that those are similar declarations, but they are certainly not equivalent.

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I like this post!
 

MovingTarget

Diamond Member
Jun 22, 2003
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Roman "Cafeteria" Catholic here. My faith/religion are important to be, but I don't completely agree with everything coming out of Rome these days. This conservative resurgence within the church is troubling...
 

Kadarin

Lifer
Nov 23, 2001
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Non-religious here, and non-spiritual. I call myself agnostic because I cannot say that there is no "God" (or other form of deity or deities), but unless there is ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that such exists, I'm inclined to not put any effort into faith.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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We've had a lot of polls about political views, but what about religious views? Do P&N posters religious views shape their political views?

I'd guess most posters are agnostic/atheist but we'll see... Remember maximum poll options were 10

I'd say my religious views have an effect on my political views, yes.
 

Abwx

Lifer
Apr 2, 2011
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Most people in western world , including this forum , are living by what
is Nietzsche concept of Ubermenschen , and as such , they have
no more respect for religious beliefs , yet , if something in their life
goes wrong they suddenly backtrack and dishonestly beg for god s help
a way or another....
 

gevorg

Diamond Member
Nov 3, 2004
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surprising thread, not as much as religion bashing as I thought it would have
 

Abwx

Lifer
Apr 2, 2011
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Why in the poll the word "muslim" is the only one written in italics ?...??...
 

monovillage

Diamond Member
Jul 3, 2008
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Why in the poll the word "muslim" is the only one written in italics ?...??...

On mine the 2nd Christian choice is the only one in italics. Maybe because I voted as the second Christian choice?

*edit* K, Londo, I owe you a beer.
 

Abwx

Lifer
Apr 2, 2011
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LOL

Edit: Maybe you should complain to the mods about this outrage?

If you did read correctly , i m asking why , i m not complaining.

Indeed , there was a purpose in writing it so , whatever it is.....
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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Show me first hand factual proof any on this you claim is true!
Real? you get real.

To which part, I claimed many things.

If you mean the part about Christianity starting out as just another sect of Judaism, all you have to do is look at who the first Christians were. The first Christians were the ones who first followed Jesus, and they were ALL Jewish. They went to Synagogue on Shabbat, they followed The Law as best they could, and performed the proper sacrifices at the Temple. The followed the Feast Days as well. Jesus also did these things, since He was a Jew.

If you are talking about the Israeli Supreme Court ruling:

Friday, April 25, 2008 | Jerusalem Institute for Justice





The following is a press release issued by Jerusalem Institute for Justice co-founder Calev Meyers:
In a landmark decision this week, the Supreme Court of Israel ratified a settlement between twelve Messianic Jewish believers and the State of Israel, which states that being a Messianic Jew does not prevent one from receiving citizenship in Israel under the Law of Return or the Law of Citizenship, if one is a descendent of Jews on one's father's side (and thus not Jewish according to halacha).
This Supreme Court decision brought an end to a legal battle that has carried on for two and a half years. The applicants were represented by Yuval Grayevsky and Calev Myers from the offices of Yehuda Raveh & Co., and their legal costs were subsidized by the Jerusalem Institute of Justice.All twelve of the applicants were denied citizenship solely based on grounds that they belong to the Messianic Jewish community.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=15802
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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If you did read correctly , i m asking why , i m not complaining.

Indeed , there was a purpose in writing it so , whatever it is.....

It is the one you selected. I selected Jewish, and for me the only word in Italics is Jewish. :)
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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His point is a sound one, however. Atheists are simply not theists. This includes people that declare "I do not believe in gods" and also people that declare "no gods exist."

I realize that those are similar declarations, but they are certainly not equivalent.

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You will also see the terms Hard and Soft Atheist. A hard atheist is someone who says they believe there is/are no god/gods. The soft atheist says they do not believe there is/are no god/gods. The hard atheist holds a faith based belief while the soft atheist does not have a belief.

EDIT: The note at the bottom was too small for me to read until it appeard in my post for a moment before resizing. :)
 

cybrsage

Lifer
Nov 17, 2011
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It's only a correlate, not causal. You can obtain morality from any number of sources and methods. Religion is just one in a long list. Therefore it's the morality that matters, not the religion.

My religion dictates my morality. It matters. :)
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Agnostic Atheist. Can't remember back to a time where I wasn't, even the earliest memories of childhood.

Mostly tired of everybody's stupid religion, find many small, self-centered and boring, but I really don't care what you do as long as you leave me out of it.

I find the observable universe a whole lot more interesting than any religion has crafted. The tragedy of life is that one will only see and understand so little of it in our brief flash of existence.